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Teh One Who Knocks
06-10-2019, 02:36 PM
By James Barrett - The Daily Wire


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A new poll highlighted by Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez found that a majority of male managers are uncomfortable mentoring female employees one-on-one in the #MeToo era.

"The #MeToo and Time’s Up movements have brought huge attention to the challenges women face at work, but a new survey finds that 60% of male managers say they’re uncomfortable mentoring, working one-on-one or socializing with a woman," reports CNBC, noting that poll results are a 33% increase from last year.

Senior-level men say they are now "12 times more likely to be hesitant about one-on-one meetings with a junior woman than they are a junior man, nine times more likely to be hesitant to travel with a junior woman for work than a junior man, and six times more likely to be hesitant to have a work dinner with a junior woman than a junior man," CNBC reports.

Ocasio-Cortez tweeted out a link to the CNBC article Sunday with a comment that puts the onus on men. "Is it really that hard to not be creepy?" she wrote.
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As pointed out by Twitchy, the feminist congresswoman's post has sparked blowback online. "No, it's not that men are inherently creepy. It's that they're afraid they'll be interpreted as creepy, in the era of Me Too and overreactions," wrote one follower in a sentiment echoed by many others. "The fact that people assume sexism and creepiness says it all. That is why they're uncomfortable," wrote another. "Tone deaf comment. There are a lot of bad guys out there who have done bad things but there['s] also women who have exploited others pain for their gain and made false claims against good men. Women can be sharks too and it's a delicate situation that requires trust from both," said another.

Of course, Ocasio-Cortez also has her defenders. "That’s not totally incorrect so much as incomplete[.] Think about it, before, misinterpreted or otherwise, men were free to act as they pleased with [virtually] no consideration for women at all—That’s pretty much the definition of patriarchy. Now, they have to think before they act," wrote one sympathetic feminist. "Most sexism is programmed into the brain. Men don't write in their calendars, 'I plan to be a sexist ahole today.' But then they go to work and act out the sexism they were programmed by society to think is normal. Their confusion is not #MeToo 's fault," wrote another defender of the feminist movement.

That post triggered its own response from a twitterer less sympathetic to the cause: "US society doesn't program us to be sexist, it programs us to not be sexist. There are examples all over media and in schools."

The survey results reported by CNBC were first released by LeanIn.org, which is urging men to "commit to mentor women."

"Not harassing women is not enough," says the feminist organization. "Now more than ever, we need men to support women–not overlook or avoid them. When women have the same opportunities to succeed and lead as men, it makes the workplace safer and fairer for everyone. We need to actively support women at work, including by mentoring and sponsoring them. Men—who are the majority of managers and senior leaders—can help make this happen."

Griffin
06-10-2019, 03:48 PM
It's not only in the workplace we have become reluctant but many areas of our daily lives that we must be careful of seemingly innocent acts we put
ourselves in. This isn't the same situation as in the article but the gist is.

Schools out which means so are the kids. Last week the sister (12 years old) of one of my granddaughters friends came to my door because she had been
left alone all day and asked if I knew her moms number. I didn't but invited her in to use the phone, she got an answering machine. She didn't want to
be by herself anymore and wanted to stay. Luckily my grandson (6 years old) was watching TV in the den so I had him come to the living room to watch TV
with her. I'm not sure if I would have let her stay if he hadn't been there.

I know kids are safe with me. Family and friends know they can leave their kids with me. Any child around me views me as a protector. But the reality
of today's environment has put us in a situation where we have to cover our asses. I've read to many times where a good samaritan has gotten bit in the
ass after lending a helping hand. I as a middle aged white male could very easily become a target of some vengeful feminazi.

It's sad that we have to put our own well being before that of a child, just because someone might have perceived a helpful act as something else. A
false accusation carries a lot of weight these days.

Hal-9000
06-10-2019, 04:12 PM
It's not only in the workplace we have become reluctant but many areas of our daily lives that we must be careful of seemingly innocent acts we put
ourselves in. This isn't the same situation as in the article but the gist is.

Schools out which means so are the kids. Last week the sister (12 years old) of one of my granddaughters friends came to my door because she had been
left alone all day and asked if I knew her moms number. I didn't but invited her in to use the phone, she got an answering machine. She didn't want to
be by herself anymore and wanted to stay. Luckily my grandson (6 years old) was watching TV in the den so I had him come to the living room to watch TV
with her. I'm not sure if I would have let her stay if he hadn't been there.

I know kids are safe with me. Family and friends know they can leave their kids with me. Any child around me views me as a protector. But the reality
of today's environment has put us in a situation where we have to cover our asses. I've read to many times where a good samaritan has gotten bit in the
ass after lending a helping hand. I as a middle aged white male could very easily become a target of some vengeful feminazi.

It's sad that we have to put our own well being before that of a child, just because someone might have perceived a helpful act as something else. A
false accusation carries a lot of weight these days.

I worked with an older Guyanese guy who coached a young girls soccer team. I used to think he was the biggest asshole on the planet.

We were chatting about helping strangers in general one day and he sternly says - I will assess the situation and then go to the nearest phone and call for help. I will not touch them.

When coaching his girls he said he would always get one of the parents from the team staff or spectators before he spoke to a girl. He would never give them advice or help by himself. He said if he couldn't find another parent, he wouldn't engage with the kids at all.

I used to think he was being overly cautious and then after getting to know him I understood his actions.

Muddy
06-10-2019, 04:47 PM
It's not only in the workplace we have become reluctant but many areas of our daily lives that we must be careful of seemingly innocent acts we put
ourselves in. This isn't the same situation as in the article but the gist is.

Schools out which means so are the kids. Last week the sister (12 years old) of one of my granddaughters friends came to my door because she had been
left alone all day and asked if I knew her moms number. I didn't but invited her in to use the phone, she got an answering machine. She didn't want to
be by herself anymore and wanted to stay. Luckily my grandson (6 years old) was watching TV in the den so I had him come to the living room to watch TV
with her. I'm not sure if I would have let her stay if he hadn't been there.

I know kids are safe with me. Family and friends know they can leave their kids with me. Any child around me views me as a protector. But the reality
of today's environment has put us in a situation where we have to cover our asses. I've read to many times where a good samaritan has gotten bit in the
ass after lending a helping hand. I as a middle aged white male could very easily become a target of some vengeful feminazi.

It's sad that we have to put our own well being before that of a child, just because someone might have perceived a helpful act as something else. A
false accusation carries a lot of weight these days.

It may sound crazy, but I refused (I was very quiet about it) to be left alone with my Stepdaughter when she was under 18.. I didn't need her hating me later in life and saying I tried to touch her or something when her mom wasn't around to extort from me or something.. (It happened to my friends neighbor)

RBP
06-11-2019, 05:22 AM
Setting that aside, why the fuck would male managers have any interest in mentoring the females who are taking over? Like asking the sheep to mentor the wolves.

Godfather
06-11-2019, 05:33 AM
Setting that aside, why the fuck would male managers have any interest in mentoring the females who are taking over? Like asking the sheep to mentor the wolves.

That seems extreme no?

I've run into older managers who don't seem to want to mentor anyone younger at all for fear they'll take their job, but it's toxic and ironically puts them at more risk if and when their own superiors take notice that they're not cultivating their talent. Sometimes you train someone who ends up being your boss, but feminism aside that's nothing new.

RBP
06-11-2019, 05:37 AM
That seems extreme no?

I've run into older managers who don't seem to want to mentor anyone younger at all for fear they'll take their job, but it's toxic and ironically puts them at more risk if and when their own superiors take notice that they're not cultivating their talent. Sometimes you train someone who ends up being your boss, but feminism aside that's nothing new.

These are not normal times. I always promoted my staff and took it as a compliment when my staff got promoted. I never protected good people selfishly. But in this environment for females? Hell no.

RBP
06-11-2019, 05:40 AM
That seems extreme no?

I've run into older managers who don't seem to want to mentor anyone younger at all for fear they'll take their job, but it's toxic and ironically puts them at more risk if and when their own superiors take notice that they're not cultivating their talent. Sometimes you train someone who ends up being your boss, but feminism aside that's nothing new.

Do you think females are encouraged to mentor males? Fuck no. They are encouraged to promote other females. Would you ask a female to mentor a white male to advance his career?

Godfather
06-11-2019, 05:55 AM
Do you think females are encouraged to mentor males? Fuck no. They are encouraged to promote other females. Would you ask a female to mentor a white male to advance his career?

Maybe I'm lucky and maybe this will sound braggadocios, but it's just not my experience... my favorite workplace mentor the past 10 years is a 55 year old Asian female who was my boss until 3-4 year ago. She's brilliant and I have nothing negative to say about her. Nobody in my industry has helped half as much with my career as her. Our VP's of HR and Underwriting are also both females who have had private chats with me and said I'm on their list for accelerated growth, and I know they like me.

And on the other side, I've got a couple of great younger women working as junior's who lean on me for mentorship, often before the other female senior staff, I think because I'm direct, affable and work hard.

Outside work we're friendly, they're all reasonable people who have talked candidly around me about how they think #metoo is bullshit and believe the twitter-version of feminism is sick.

I'd be lying if I didn't say that in this culture I feel I'm walking on eggshells around women, I probably wouldn't interview or be alone in a closed door room with one which is sad... but few if any have given me real reason to act that way. Perhaps you'll think I'm naive but I just don't think things are that bad between men and women in the workplace whether they're superiors or subordinates. I hope none of them prove me wrong.

RBP
06-11-2019, 06:01 AM
I don't disagree with any of that. I also completely understand if men take pause and don't fully engage.