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Godfather
06-22-2019, 11:21 PM
Mars, it appears, is belching a large amount of a gas that could be a sign of microbes living on the planet today.

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In a measurement taken on Wednesday, NASA’s Curiosity rover discovered startlingly high amounts of methane in the Martian air, a gas that on Earth is usually produced by living things. The data arrived back on Earth on Thursday, and by Friday, scientists working on the mission were excitedly discussing the news, which has not yet been announced by NASA.

“Given this surprising result, we’ve reorganized the weekend to run a follow-up experiment,” Ashwin R. Vasavada, the project scientist for the mission, wrote to the science team in an email that was obtained by The Times.

The mission’s controllers on Earth sent new instructions to the rover on Friday to follow up on the readings, bumping previously planned science work. The results of these observations are expected back on the ground on Monday.
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People have long been fascinated by the possibility of aliens on Mars. But NASA’s Viking landers in the 1970s photographed a desolate landscape. Two decades later, planetary scientists thought Mars might have been warmer, wetter and more habitable in its youth some 4 billion years ago. Now, they are entertaining the notion that if life ever did arise on Mars, its microbial descendants could have migrated underground and persisted.

Methane, if it is there in the thin Martian air, is significant, because sunlight and chemical reactions would break up the molecules within a few centuries. Thus any methane detected now must have been released recently.

On Earth, microbes known as methanogens thrive in places lacking oxygen, such as rocks deep underground and the digestive tracts of animals, and they release methane as a waste product. However, geothermal reactions devoid of biology can also generate methane.

It is also possible that the methane is ancient, trapped inside Mars for millions of years but escaping intermittently through cracks.

NASA acknowledged the methane detection in a statement Saturday afternoon, but called it an “early science result.”
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The agency’s spokesperson added, “To maintain scientific integrity, the project science team will continue to analyze the data before confirming results.”

Scientists first reported detections of methane on Mars a decade and a half ago using measurements from Mars Express, an orbiting spacecraft built by the European Space Agency and is still in operation, as well as from telescopes on Earth. However, those findings were at the edge of the detection power of these tools, and many researchers thought the methane might just be a mirage of mistaken data.

When Curiosity arrived on Mars in 2012, it looked for methane and found nothing, or at least less than 1 part per billion in the atmosphere. Then, in 2013 it detected a sudden spike, up to 7 parts per billion that lasted at least a couple of months.

The methane ebbed away.

The measurement this week found 21 parts per billion of methane, or three times the 2013 spike.

Even before this week’s discovery, the mystery of methane has been deepening.

Curiosity scientists developed a technique that enabled the rover to detect even tinier amounts of methane with its existing tools. The gas seems to rise and fall with the red planet’s seasons. A new analysis of old Mars Express readings confirmed Curiosity’s 2013 findings. One day after Curiosity reported a spike of methane, the orbiter, passing over Curiosity’s location, also measured a spike.

But the Trace Gas Orbiter, a newer European spacecraft launched in 2016 with more sensitive instruments, did not detect any methane at all in its first batch of scientific observations last year.

Marco Giuranna, a scientist at the National Institute for Astrophysics in Italy, who leads the Mars Express orbiter’s methane measurements, said scientists on the Curiosity, Mars Express and Trace Gas Orbiter missions had been discussing the latest findings. He confirmed he had been told of the reading of 21 parts per billion but added that the finding was preliminary.

He said Mars Express passed over Gale Crater, the 96-mile-wide depression that Curiosity has been studying, on the same day that Curiosity made its measurements. There are other observations on earlier and subsequent dates, Dr. Giuranna said, including joint observations with the Trace Gas Orbiter.

“A lot of data to be processed,” Dr. Giuranna said in an email. “I’ll have some preliminary results by next week.”

Rovers scheduled for launch next year — one by NASA, one by a Russian-European collaboration — will carry instruments designed to search for the building blocks of life, although neither is designed to answer the question of whether there is life on Mars today.

Pony
06-22-2019, 11:34 PM
:alien:

KevinD
06-23-2019, 02:19 AM
:run for the hills:

Godfather
06-23-2019, 02:35 AM
So if it turns out that Mars, even with basically one hundred times less atmosphere than Earth is still harboring life... could anyone really think there isn't other advanced life in the universe? Our galaxy alone has 200+ BILLION planets. If even Mars has life, I'd bet my life on other life being out there.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-23-2019, 08:52 AM
So people will believe this crap, but not crystal clear photos of ancient ruins found on other planets? Okay :rolleyes:

DemonGeminiX
06-23-2019, 08:59 AM
So if it turns out that Mars, even with basically one hundred times less atmosphere than Earth is still harboring life... could anyone really think there isn't other advanced life in the universe? Our galaxy alone has 200+ BILLION planets. If even Mars has life, I'd bet my life on other life being out there.

Advanced life? Do you mean beyond our scientific capabilities advanced, or right about where we are advanced?

Pony
06-23-2019, 10:41 AM
So if it turns out that Mars, even with basically one hundred times less atmosphere than Earth is still harboring life... could anyone really think there isn't other advanced life in the universe? Our galaxy alone has 200+ BILLION planets. If even Mars has life, I'd bet my life on other life being out there.

I dunno. I'm somewhere between "Rare Earth" and "Galaxy Far Far Away".

Not only is the Earth in exactly the right size and place to support complex life as we know it, the planets tilt creates the seasons which contributes, The Earth was hit by a large body early on, giving us an oversized molten core that creates a magnetic field strong enough to protect us yet weak enough to promote genetic abnormalities (evolution), also the close oversized moon gives us tides which also promotes evolving into more complex creatures. Without any one of these events, we wouldn't be here.....

....bottom line is while there are a lot of other planets and probably a lot of planets in the "Goldilocks" zone there were a lot more factors that had to happen exactly right for complex life to evolve here. Most likely IF there is other intelligent life out there in the vast universe it's extremely rare and probably too far away to ever contact us.

lost in melb.
06-23-2019, 10:56 AM
Good summary, Pony.

Godfather
06-23-2019, 05:52 PM
I dunno. I'm somewhere between "Rare Earth" and "Galaxy Far Far Away".

Not only is the Earth in exactly the right size and place to support complex life as we know it, the planets tilt creates the seasons which contributes, The Earth was hit by a large body early on, giving us an oversized molten core that creates a magnetic field strong enough to protect us yet weak enough to promote genetic abnormalities (evolution), also the close oversized moon gives us tides which also promotes evolving into more complex creatures. Without any one of these events, we wouldn't be here.....

....bottom line is while there are a lot of other planets and probably a lot of planets in the "Goldilocks" zone there were a lot more factors that had to happen exactly right for complex life to evolve here. Most likely IF there is other intelligent life out there in the vast universe it's extremely rare and probably too far away to ever contact us.

I don't disagree about it being too far away to contact... but 99% of our galaxy is too far away to contact.

The counter argument is what the Kepler space telescope has told us about habitable planets. It's been operating 10 years and found several possible earth-like planets already. Based on the number of earth like planets to the number of stars analyzed, the numbers imply there may be 40 billion earth-like planets in the Goldilocks zone of our own galaxy. 40,000,000,000. And it's now a real possibility that of the three in our solar system (Venus, Mars and us), not just one but two may have life. While Mars and Venus have weak or no magnetic fields, Mars almost certainly did at one point.

I know I'm jumping to conclusions, but like I said, if I had to bet my life one way or the other, I'd bet on plenty of life beyond cellular/microbial life forms are out there in our own galaxy.

Pony
06-23-2019, 09:12 PM
I don't disagree about it being too far away to contact... but 99% of our galaxy is too far away to contact.

The counter argument is what the Kepler space telescope has told us about habitable planets. It's been operating 10 years and found several possible earth-like planets already. Based on the number of earth like planets to the number of stars analyzed, the numbers imply there may be 40 billion earth-like planets in the Goldilocks zone of our own galaxy. 40,000,000,000. And it's now a real possibility that of the three in our solar system (Venus, Mars and us), not just one but two may have life. While Mars and Venus have weak or no magnetic fields, Mars almost certainly did at one point.

I know I'm jumping to conclusions, but like I said, if I had to bet my life one way or the other, I'd bet on plenty of life beyond cellular/microbial life forms are out there in our own galaxy.

I'd bet there's life out there too. It's intelligent life that would have the ability to contact us is where my skepticism comes in.

Granted there could be 40 billion planets in the habitable zone. (don't care for the term "earth like", it's just a buzz word to get people exited). but IF the conditions necessary to go from simple life forms to complex is as specific and rare as I believe it to be, the odds become very extreme. Could a handful (or 10 or 50) of those 40 billion support complex life? To the point of equal or greater than us? Sure. In our "neighborhood"? I think the odds are astronomical.

IF it turns out that complex life does not need the perfect combination of factors we have here to mutate and develop, sure there likely could be a lot more. But like I said, without the tides, seasons and perfect magnetic field (a little less we would have never mutated a little more life would not survive on the surface) life would have never become complex here.

Hal-9000
06-24-2019, 06:20 PM
We can see so little of the universe I wouldn't be surprised to find out there are thousands of Earth-like planets within the neighboring galaxies. Blue water and lush with forms of organic life.

It's the distances and time factor that often hinder our thinking about potential.

Mars could have had 10 different civilizations with varying types of atmospheres (or not) in the time since the planet was formed.

We tend to think in terms of centuries or millennia when talking about man's life on Earth. We can't envision the multitudes of evolutionary processes over millions of years.