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Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 10:57 AM
By Frank Miles | Fox News


https://i.imgur.com/7ZEMYjil.jpg

“8÷2(2+2).”

Can you solve this math problem?

The equation went viral online this week on Twitter causing major confusion over the right answer.
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Mathematicians and physicists went nuts about it.

Mike Breen, the Public Awareness Officer for the American Mathematical Society, told Popular Mechanics: “The way it’s written, it’s ambiguous. In math, a lot of times there are ambiguities. Mathematicians try to make rules as precise as possible.”

Depending on where in the world you learned math, as Mashable reported, determines how you can solve the problem.
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There is the PEMDAS method: the order of operations is Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction, typically from left to right.
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There is also the BODMAS method: Brackets, Orders, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.
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So, the answer is 1.

The answer also is 16.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 10:57 AM
Sorry, but it's not ambiguous in the least and there's only one answer.

The answer is 1

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 10:58 AM
16

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 10:59 AM
Sorry, but it's not ambiguous in the least and there's only one answer.

The answer is 1

Nope. Wrong.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 10:59 AM
https://mashable.com/article/math-equation-divides-twitter/

The Mashable article has more detail

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 11:00 AM
16

:wrong:

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 11:04 AM
https://mashable.com/article/math-equation-divides-twitter/

The Mashable article has more detail

If they're saying 1, they're wrong.

Parenthesis first, then it's nothing but multiplication and division. Multiplication and division are the same exact operation and hold the same precedence, so the resulting expression after you finish what's in parenthesis is evaluated from left to right.

This is the way it's done:

8/2(2+2) parenthesis first
8/2(4) multiplication and division hold the same precedence so evaluate from left to right
4(4) = 16

If you put it in a graphing calculator, it'll give you the same answer. If you put it in a Google search engine, it'll spit out the same answer.

1 is wrong.

16 is the answer.

Sincerely, the guy with the degree in Applied Mathematics.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 11:11 AM
Let's put it this way:

Let's replace one of the 2s in parenthesis with the variable x.

So 8/2(2+2) becomes 8/2(x+2) => 4(x+2) => 4x+8. Now let x = 2. The answer's 16.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 11:16 AM
PEMDAS - parenthesis, exponents, multiplication/division, addition/subtraction

8÷2(2+2)

8÷2(4)

8÷8

1

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 11:19 AM
A mathematics professor from Oxford University, who wished to remain anonymous, explained that there isn't one correct answer - as the equation has been ambiguously written, leaving it open to interpretation.

They said: "Without better brackets, there can be ambiguity. There are conventions about the order of operations to try to resolve this, sometimes called BODMAS in UK schools.

"If it still seems unclear, it's best to include brackets to remove any possible ambiguity. Mathematicians do not generally have problems communicating with each other about things like this, but for whatever reason people seem to enjoy posing these kinds of problems on social media!"

From another article.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 11:28 AM
You're PEMDAS is correct, but your violating it in execution. You don't do multiplication before division. You're treating them like separate operations with multiplication having a higher precedence. That's wrong. Multiplication and division are the same operation. When you have an expression full of multiplications and divisions, you evaluate from left to right, regardless of what comes first.

PEMDAS actually means: Parenthesis, Exponents, Multiplication/Division from left to right, Addition/Subtraction from left to right

8/2 is actually 8 * (1/2)

So 8/2(2+2) => 8 *(1/2)*(2+2) => 8*(1/2)*4 => 4*4 => 16

To get 1, you have to force 8/(2(2+2)) with the extra parenthesis here. 8/2(2+2) does not do that. 8/2(2+2) => (8/2)(2+2) by arithmetic operator precedence rules.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 11:29 AM
From another article.

Stop listing articles, start listening to me. Or if you can't accept my bachelor's degree in mathematics as a sufficient authority on the topic, listen to this guy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaitsBUyiNQ

Hal-9000
08-01-2019, 01:31 PM
I said 16 instantly despite the pemdas rule. My mind said 16 and algebra was never my strong suit.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 02:16 PM
Type it into a scientific calculator exactly as it's written:

https://i.imgur.com/NNEzLmo.png

Hal-9000
08-01-2019, 02:17 PM
I was never good at algebra or cared. Times I've used it in my life for anything? Find x when y is stfu.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:18 PM
Type it into a scientific calculator exactly as it's written:

https://i.imgur.com/NNEzLmo.png

That's not how it's written.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 02:19 PM
Type it in, in the exact order, from left to right, and that's what comes up in the calculator.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:25 PM
Not in my calculator, and not in Google either.

Goofy
08-01-2019, 02:27 PM
I got 1 :)

I totally bolloxed higher maths but did get a 1 in standard grade maths :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:28 PM
1 is wrong

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 02:32 PM
Not in my calculator, and not in Google either.

https://i.imgur.com/4Ys8dtq.png

https://i.imgur.com/4Jsze0C.png

https://i.imgur.com/zQ2RWf1.png

https://i.imgur.com/UcpKWa7.png

https://i.imgur.com/kyukz30.png

https://i.imgur.com/MEcaNdj.png

https://i.imgur.com/LcpbI6P.png

https://i.imgur.com/Uu17xDb.png

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:34 PM
Again, you're assuming it should be written that way, but it's not.

And at this point, you're just trolling.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2019, 02:35 PM
:facepalm:

THAT'S THE WAY THE CALCULATOR INTERPRETS THE EQUATION FFS :shakehead:

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:40 PM
This is how it's rendered by Google and real calculators. It gives the correct answer.

https://i.imgur.com/6gETVN8.png

fricnjay
08-01-2019, 02:46 PM
The answer is 16 you have to use the proper order of operations. They taught this stuff in in Jr High.

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 02:50 PM
Thank you.

Hal-9000
08-01-2019, 02:58 PM
Hey I said 16 before reading any of the rhetoric.


hal's confirmation bias = 0 :(

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2019, 03:00 PM
Thank you, too. You're a wonderful man.

Hal-9000
08-01-2019, 03:13 PM
*beams* :)

PorkChopSandwiches
08-01-2019, 03:20 PM
I agree with DGX. It math, not up for debate