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Teh One Who Knocks
08-06-2019, 10:33 AM
By Alexa St. John | The Wall Street Journal


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More than six months after the $15 minimum wage went into effect in New York City, business leaders and owners say the increased labor costs have forced them to cut staff, eliminate work shifts and raise prices.

Many business owners said these changes were unintended consequences of the new minimum wage, which took effect at the beginning of the year.

Susannah Koteen, owner of Lido Restaurant in Harlem, said she worries about the impact raising wages could have on her restaurant, where she employs nearly 40 people. She hasn’t had to lay off anyone, but the increase has forced her to cut back on shifts and be more stringent about overtime. She said she changes her menu offerings seasonally and raises prices more often since the wage boost.

“What it really forces you to do is make sure that nobody works more than 40 hours,” Ms. Koteen said. “You can only cut back so many people before the service starts to suffer.”

Ms. Koteen said she shelved plans to move her restaurant to a larger location. That would require her to hire more staff, and she isn’t willing to take the risk with the unpredictability of her business. “You would just have no choice but to cut people at the bottom,” she said.

In June, the city’s unemployment rate was 4.3%, compared with the state’s unemployment rate of 4%, according to the New York State Department of Labor. Both numbers have remained relatively steady during the past year.

New York City’s minimum wage has increased three times for employers with at least 11 employees in the past three years. At the end of 2016, the hourly rate rose to $11 from $9 an hour. In 2018, the minimum wage jumped to $13 from $11 an hour. The rate will increase to $15 an hour for employers with 10 or fewer workers at the end of 2019.

The current federally mandated minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Other states have passed $15-minimum-wage legislation, including Massachusetts, California, Maryland, Illinois, New Jersey and Connecticut.

Anthony Advincula, spokesman for Restaurant Opportunities Centers United, which advocated for the $15 minimum wage, said there are other factors beyond higher wages that result in unsuccessful businesses, and owners shouldn’t blame the boost for their struggles.

“Increasing to $15 would reduce income inequality, and the number of individuals living in poverty now is ridiculously high,” he said. “This is not just a business issue, this is a race, gender, pay-equality issue.”

Sarah McNally, owner of McNally Jackson Books, employs 75 people at four shops in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Ms. McNally said she hasn’t cut hours or reduced the number of people she employs to mitigate the increase, but she is working to open two more shops and scale her workload to stay profitable.

While Ms. McNally said she always has paid her employees at least $5 above minimum wage, January’s increase tightened that gap. “With raising minimum wage to living wage, it feels now like we’re at the bottom of the pay spectrum,” she said. “There’s absolutely no benefit to being a retail business in New York.”

Thomas Grech, president of the Queens Chamber of Commerce, said he has seen an uptick in small-business closures during the past six to nine months, and he attributed it to the minimum-wage legislation.

“They’re cutting their staff. They’re cutting their hours. They’re shutting down,” he said. “It’s not just the rent.”

Lisa Sorin, president of the Bronx Chamber of Commerce, said Manhattan businesses and their customers can afford to pay more to compensate for the wage increase, while those in the surrounding boroughs probably couldn’t. “It’s almost like a whirlwind of keep up or get out,” Ms. Sorin said.

Restaurants and establishments with customer bases with less disposable income are challenged, but all are experiencing changes in customer habits regardless of borough, said Andrew Rigie, executive director of the New York City Hospitality Alliance.

To mitigate the challenges restaurants face, Mr. Rigie said, local and state government should consider providing tax incentives to owners and preserve the tip credit, which allows restaurants to count some or all of an employee’s tips toward its minimum-wage obligations.

“Many people working in the restaurant industry wanted to work overtime hours, but due to the increase, many restaurants have cut back or totally eliminated any overtime work,” he said. “There’s only so much consumers are willing to pay for a burger or a bowl of pasta.”

DemonGeminiX
08-06-2019, 10:46 AM
Fuck them. You make your bed, now sleep in it.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-06-2019, 03:27 PM
I have to run everything real tight. Overtime is tough, and the minimum continues to increase .50 a year.
The part for us I find the worst is my employees collect tips. So on average they are clearing 20-25 an hour with tips, yet I have to keep paying more on the base :facepalm:

DemonGeminiX
08-06-2019, 03:29 PM
I have to run everything real tight. Overtime is tough, and the minimum continues to increase .50 a year.
The part for us I find the worst is my employees collect tips. So on average they are clearing 20-25 an hour with tips, yet I have to keep paying more on the base :facepalm:

:-k

When'd you move to NYC?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-06-2019, 03:30 PM
I have to run everything real tight. Overtime is tough, and the minimum continues to increase .50 a year.
The part for us I find the worst is my employees collect tips. So on average they are clearing 20-25 an hour with tips, yet I have to keep paying more on the base :facepalm:

What's minimum wage in Cali? It just went up again here this year, it's now $11.10/hour in Colorado.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-06-2019, 03:33 PM
Year

CA Minimum Hourly Wage for Large (26+ Employees) and Small (25 or Fewer Employees) Employers

2017

$10.50/$10.00

2018

$11.00/$10.50

2019

$12.00/$11.00

2020

$13.00/$12.00

2021

$14.00/$13.00

2022

$15.00/$14.00

2023

$15.00 for all employers

DemonGeminiX
08-06-2019, 03:35 PM
Arizona, dude.

Hal-9000
08-06-2019, 03:39 PM
It's 15/hour here and on the news they showed someone making 15 full time (80 hours/two weeks) can't get a one bedroom apartment in our city, using the 1/3 of your monthly wage model against rent.

There's another side to this.

DemonGeminiX
08-06-2019, 03:41 PM
Isn't China buying up all of the Canadian real estate and that's why the prices are so ridiculously high?

Hal-9000
08-06-2019, 03:51 PM
Isn't China buying up all of the Canadian real estate and that's why the prices are so ridiculously high?

Asians have been buying Canadian real estate since I lived in Banff in 1985, nothing new there. Relationship with China currently is not great thanks to the Huawei fiasco.

No, in our city we've suffered a huge oil recession since about 2014 due to problems with building pipelines and industry issues. Like we can produce a fuckton of oil but can't move it so production was scaled back drastically. Our downtown business sector enjoyed a 27% vacancy rate until recently which is a horror show. It means 27% of office buildings are vacant in our downtown core. They've already converted a couple to housing/apartments.

Couple that with no rent control and people living near or above the poverty line can't get a house, can't get an apartment and the trickle down effect has been huge here. Meaning a person with a geophysical or engineering degree who formerly made 100k/year, had to take lesser jobs to stay alive and that bumps everything down. eg jobs I would apply for have been taken by people who are way overqualified and that leaves basic retail and food service jobs for people like me. If they're available. People with homes and vehicles/children are typically working two or three lesser jobs to stay afloat.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-06-2019, 03:59 PM
It's 15/hour here and on the news they showed someone making 15 full time (80 hours/two weeks) can't get a one bedroom apartment in our city, using the 1/3 of your monthly wage model against rent.

There's another side to this.

The point I'm trying to make is they are making it close to impossible to keep employees at this rate. I will end up having my wife take the shifts and get rid of 80% of the hours. May as well keep the money in house. I understand they say people cant afford rent, but these are part time employees pouring a beer, and thats it. making over $20 an hour

Hal-9000
08-06-2019, 04:08 PM
The point I'm trying to make is they are making it close to impossible to keep employees at this rate. I will end up having my wife take the shifts and get rid of 80% of the hours. May as well keep the money in house. I understand they say people cant afford rent, but these are part time employees pouring a beer, and thats it. making over $20 an hour

Yeah our issues are the other side of things. People getting paid 15 per hour to do more than pour beer. For retail and food it's fine, but as mentioned above our city issues eclipse what's happening with wage. The cost of living is so high here that people can't get from one situation to another, either improving or downgrading. I wasn't making much at my old job but I quit at exactly the worst time.

I used to do some purchasing, inventory control along with straight up warehousing stuff and my job had a high degree of clerical work and accountability.

Now similar jobs in my old world demand degrees and/or experience with things I've never seen, much less used.

It's a modern city like any other, just too dependent on oil and when that craters or dips, everyone down the line pays for it.

Muddy
08-06-2019, 04:53 PM
The point I'm trying to make is they are making it close to impossible to keep employees at this rate. I will end up having my wife take the shifts and get rid of 80% of the hours. May as well keep the money in house. I understand they say people cant afford rent, but these are part time employees pouring a beer, and thats it. making over $20 an hour

Nigga you sell 3 beers and that's enough to pay someone for an hour with 3 dollas left over for you to spend on diamonds and gold... :hand:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-06-2019, 05:51 PM
Nigga you sell 3 beers and that's enough to pay someone for an hour with 3 dollas left over for you to spend on diamonds and gold... :hand:

I mean, you're not wrong

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Muddy
08-06-2019, 05:53 PM
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PorkChopSandwiches
08-06-2019, 05:55 PM
And when they talk about affording rent, these building I have to rent are not cheap either. :fu:

Muddy
08-06-2019, 06:03 PM
And when they talk about affording rent, these building I have to rent are not cheap either. :fu:

People that don't own businesses can be notorious for not knowing what costs are involved in it.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-06-2019, 06:06 PM
People that don't own businesses can be notorious for not knowing what costs are involved in it.

Way back when I worked for a company that was going to go under. Myself and two other guys that worked there decided to buy it and try and keep it going. That failed experiment lasted about a year. There was a reason the place was going bankrupt. The building we leased that the company was in was $6000/month and it was in a shitty industrial part of the city.

Muddy
08-06-2019, 06:13 PM
$6,000.00 a month... Ouch..!!

Teh One Who Knocks
08-06-2019, 06:23 PM
$6,000.00 a month... Ouch..!!

And then add in power, water and sewer, City of Denver operating tax ( :rolleyes: ), payroll, payroll taxes, raw materials, and whatever else I'm forgetting, we're already looking at $50K to $60K per month just to barely break even.

Muddy
08-06-2019, 06:31 PM
And then add in power, water and sewer, City of Denver operating tax ( :rolleyes: ), payroll, payroll taxes, raw materials, and whatever else I'm forgetting, we're already looking at $50K to $60K per month just to barely break even.

Jesus, how many employees did you have?