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Teh One Who Knocks
08-26-2019, 10:00 AM
By Gregg Re | Fox News


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China signaled on Monday it was now seeking a "calm" end to its ongoing trade war with the U.S., as Asian markets crumbled and China's currency plummeted to an 11-year low following the latest tariffs on $550 billion in Chinese goods announced last Friday by the Trump administration.

Trump said Monday that officials from China called U.S. officials and expressed interest to "get back to the table,” The Wall Street Journal reported. He called the discussions a “very positive development.”

“They want to make a deal. That’s a great thing,” he said.

News of the possible opening in negotiations came shortly after President Trump threatened to declare a national emergency that would result in American businesses freezing their relationships with China. Trump's tariff barrage on Friday was a response to China imposing its own retaliatory tariffs on $75 billion in U.S. goods.

At the Group of Seven summit in France on Sunday, White House officials rejected suggestions the president was wavering and insisted that his only regret was not implementing even more tariffs on China. Trump wrote on Twitter that world leaders at the G-7 were "laughing" at all the inaccurate media coverage of the gathering.

In response, Chinese Vice Premier Liu He told a state-controlled newspaper on Monday that "China is willing to resolve its trade dispute with the United States through calm negotiations and resolutely opposes the escalation of the conflict," Reuters first reported, citing a transcript of his remarks provided by the Chinese government. Liu is China's top trade negotiator.

Speaking at a technology conference in China, Liu added: “We believe that the escalation of the trade war is not beneficial for China, the United States, nor to the interests of the people of the world."

“We welcome enterprises from all over the world, including the United States, to invest and operate in China,” Liu said. “We will continue to create a good investment environment, protect intellectual property rights, promote the development of smart intelligent industries with our market open, resolutely oppose technological blockades and protectionism, and strive to protect the completeness of the supply chain.”

Asian shares tumbled early Monday, with Japan's benchmark Nikkei 225 started plummeting as soon as trading began and stood at 20,234.87 in the morning session, down 2.3 percent. Australia's S&P/ASX 200 slipped 1.5 percent to 6,427.20. South Korea's Kospi lost 1.7 percent to 1,916.14. Hong Kong's Hang Seng dropped 3.3 percent to 25,309.37, while the Shanghai Composite was down 1.2 percent at 2,862.87.
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The yuan also slipped to 7.1487 to the dollar, weeks after the Treasury Department formally designated China a currency manipulator. The Treasury Department said it will work with the International Monetary Fund to try to rectify the “unfair competitive advantage created by China’s latest actions.”

"The gloves are coming off on both sides and as such yuan depreciation is an obvious cushion against US tariffs," Mitul Kotecha, an economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank, told Bloomberg News.

There are several reasons why China's central bank would want to allow the yuan to drop, including to help struggling local exporters who want their products to be less expensive for international purchasers. People’s Bank of China Governor Yi Gang, however, has insisted China does not "engage in competitive devaluation."

On Sunday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told reporters that if "China would agree to a fair and balanced relationship, we would sign that deal in a second."

Stephen Innes, managing partner at Valour Markets in Singapore, compared the difficulty of assessing the volatile market situation to reading tea leaves.

"Nobody understands where the president is coming from," he said, adding that the best thing Trump can do for market stability is to "keep quiet."

"The problem that we're faced right now is that we are making a lot of assumptions ahead of the economic realities."

The market is now dominated by fears of a portending U.S. recession, although the American economy is actually holding up, and much of the U.S. economy is made up of consumption, Innes said. If interest rates come down, he added, consumer spending is likely to go up, working as a buffer for the economy.

"What the market's really waiting for is for them to drop interest rates," Innes said. "Right now, we are still sitting on that uncertainty."

Meanwhile, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on Sunday that Democrats should not criticize Trump for taking on China over trade as they have complained for years about Beijing’s policies but done nothing. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y, for example, has urged Trump to fight China aggressively.

“Every Democrat and every Republican of note has said China cheats,” Graham said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation.” “The Democrats for years have been claiming that China should be stood up to, now Trump is and we’ve just got to accept the pain that comes with standing up to China.”

U.S. markets have also taken something of a beating. The Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged more than 600 points Friday after the latest escalation in the trade war between the U.S. and China rattled investors. The broad sell-off sent the S&P 500 to its fourth straight weekly loss.

The tumbling began after Trump responded angrily on Twitter following China's announcement of new tariffs on $75 billion in U.S. goods. In one of his tweets he "hereby ordered" U.S. companies with operations in China to consider moving them to other countries — including the U.S.

Trump also said he'd respond directly to the tariffs — and after the market closed he delivered, announcing that the U.S. would increase existing tariffs on $250 billion in Chinese goods to 30 percent from 25 percent, and that new tariffs on another $300 billion of imports would be 15 percent instead of 10 percent.

"Starting on October 1st, the 250 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, currently being taxed at 25 percent, will be taxed at 30 percent," Trump wrote on Twitter. "Additionally, the remaining 300 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, that was being taxed from September 1st at 10 percent, will now be taxed at 15 percent. Thank you for your attention to this matter!".

Zhu Huani of Mizuho Bank in Singapore said what he called Trump's "tariff tantrum" was setting off "the sense that tariffs could continue to rise," with the "the unpredictability of timing and extent of these trade actions risk accentuating the paralysis of business decisions and big-ticket business spending."

"No matter which way you cut the cake, it is nearly impossible to construct a bullish, or even neutral scenario for equity markets today," said Jeffrey Halley, senior market analyst at Oanda.

Trump also said Friday morning that he was "ordering" UPS, Federal Express and Amazon to block any deliveries from China of the powerful opioid drug fentanyl. The stocks of all three companies fell as traders tried to assess the possible implications.

The president has also raged against Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for his continued refusal to cut interest rates, at one point saying: "My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powel (sic) or [China's] Chairman Xi [Jinping]?"

That outburst came after Powell, speaking to central bankers in Jackson Hole, Wyo., gave vague assurances that the Fed "will act as appropriate" to sustain the nation's economic expansion. While the phrasing was widely seen as meaning interest rate cuts, he offered no hint of whether or how many reductions might be coming the rest of the year.

Some analysts, however, are confident the Federal Reserve will lower interest rates this year.

A quarter-point rate cut reduction in September is considered all but certain.

Fox News' Ronn Blitzer, Joseph Wulfsohn, and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

DemonGeminiX
08-26-2019, 10:06 AM
:usa:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-26-2019, 01:58 PM
How To Deal With China 101

Hal-9000
08-26-2019, 02:56 PM
Trump makes a tweet and stocks plummet. Thanks to the Huawei BS we now have two imports being refused at China's border. One of the losses is so big our farmers have already taken huge losses and have to find a different grain to farm. Not to mention the two Canadians still being held on trumped up charges in China. Trump's issues with China are affecting our economy negatively.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-26-2019, 03:06 PM
Trump makes a tweet and stocks plummet. Thanks to the Huawei BS we now have two imports being refused at China's border. One of the losses is so big our farmers have already taken huge losses and have to find a different grain to farm. Not to mention the two Canadians still being held on trumped up charges in China. Trump's issues with China are affecting our economy negatively.

And you don't think it's affecting us down here as well? I have never had such a hard time finding raw materials to order for jobs before. I need a piece of plate steel and my two biggest steel vendors have ZERO in stock anywhere in the country because of the trade war.

Hal-9000
08-26-2019, 03:11 PM
And you don't think it's affecting us down here as well? I have never had such a hard time finding raw materials to order for jobs before. I need a piece of plate steel and my two biggest steel vendors have ZERO in stock anywhere in the country because of the trade war.

I didn't say that. He's a deal making business man, not a President. I've always thought a world leader should have extensive financial understanding to help with his day to day.

Trump is too much of a bulldog without tact. He put tariffs on things like milk and steel up here. Farmers and car plants have lost revenue and in some cases shut down.

His method is usually knee jerk reactions to things he doesn't like and the fallout is killing us. I tend to read world news from international sites now rather than the North American agenda outlets and when you do that, it puts a different perspective on national stories.

fricnjay
08-26-2019, 03:34 PM
China has no choice they have no negotiating power because they dont import near as much US products as they export to us. The yuan (Chinese Dollar) dropped to an 11 year low and small banks are refusing to deal in it and using the US dollar instead. They are hurting and I think it will be well worth the bit of suffering we are going through now in the long run. :tup:

DemonGeminiX
08-26-2019, 03:54 PM
Trump makes a tweet and stocks plummet. Thanks to the Huawei BS we now have two imports being refused at China's border. One of the losses is so big our farmers have already taken huge losses and have to find a different grain to farm. Not to mention the two Canadians still being held on trumped up charges in China. Trump's issues with China are affecting our economy negatively.

This trade war has effected everyone, but it's necessary. China has been taking advantage of the entire world's generosity and stabbing all of us in the back for 30 years. The only reason they have a foot in the door with tech at all is because they stole all of their knowledge from other countries. They've committed so many acts of industrial and intellectual theft. They have to be reigned in. Trump's doing the right thing here.

Hal-9000
08-26-2019, 04:15 PM
We're screwed if China sends an army comprised of those protestors.

There's millions of them :shock:

DemonGeminiX
08-26-2019, 04:19 PM
:hand:

They'd be protesting bagged milk and oddly shaped bacon. :nana:

Hal-9000
08-26-2019, 04:27 PM
We haven't had bagged milk for decades and our bacon looks just like your bacon.

Until Trump puts a fucking pork tariff on it :x

Hal-9000
08-26-2019, 04:28 PM
Actually China refused some of our pork :lol: (multi million dollar trade item) but in that case, it was our fuck up. :oops:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-26-2019, 07:13 PM
But I was told you cant win a trade war :roll:

Muddy
08-26-2019, 08:50 PM
We're screwed if China sends an army comprised of those protestors.

There's millions of them :shock:

Those protesters think like us..

PorkChopSandwiches
08-27-2019, 03:17 AM
We're screwed if China sends an army comprised of those protestors.

There's millions of them :shock:

Good thing so many Americans are armed