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PorkChopSandwiches
11-06-2019, 09:22 PM
Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes?


My goodness. It was passed when Joe Biden was a member of the U.S. Senate and then signed by then-President Bill Clinton.
A comprehensive treaty agreement that allows cooperation between both the United States and Ukraine in the investigation and prosecution of crimes.
It appears President Trump was following the law to the letter when it comes to unearthing the long-standing corruption that has swirled in Ukraine and allegedly involves powerful Democrats like Joe Biden and others.

“To the Senate of the United States: With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998. I transmit also, for the information of the Senate, an exchange of notes which was signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application, as well as the report of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state. I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.”​
WILLIAM J. CLINTON.​

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

DemonGeminiX
11-06-2019, 09:53 PM
Nooooooooo! But, but, but Nancy Pelosi and the Dems said such a thing was bad....

KevinD
11-06-2019, 11:27 PM
Yeah, actually, I did know.

Griffin
11-07-2019, 01:15 AM
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lost in melb.
11-07-2019, 01:21 AM
So will this treaty be enacted in order to oblige Ukraine to assist in the prosecution of Trump for using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election, including, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals

:giggity:

DemonGeminiX
11-07-2019, 02:02 AM
So will this treaty be enacted in order to oblige Ukraine to assist in the prosecution of Trump for using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election, including, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals

:giggity:

Given that his political rival was the Vice President of the United States for 8 years and used his position to further his own agenda with respect to his family, I'd say the treaty obliges Ukraine to investigate the former VP for corruption. And given the history of corruption in the Ukraine, President Trump was well within his right as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States to ask the Ukrainians to investigate any and all suspected corruption involving the Ukraine and people in the US, including but not limited to, the former VP and his son.

lost in melb.
11-07-2019, 05:41 AM
I seriously doubt that Trump had that reason in mind.

DemonGeminiX
11-07-2019, 06:48 AM
I seriously doubt that Trump had that reason in mind.

If you can prove your theory beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, then by all means. Until then, your assertion is nothing but speculation, and the White House has issued their official statement which is very closely following along the lines of my assertion. The Republican party is supporting that statement.

In short, it doesn't matter what you think. The only thing that matters is what you can prove, beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt.