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Teh One Who Knocks
07-18-2011, 12:47 PM
By Walter Brandimarte | Reuters


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ratings agency Moody's on Monday suggested the United States should eliminate its statutory limit on government debt to reduce uncertainty among bond holders.

The United States is one of the few countries where Congress sets a ceiling on government debt, which creates "periodic uncertainty" over the government's ability to meet its obligations, Moody's said in a report.

"We would reduce our assessment of event risk if the government changed its framework for managing government debt to lessen or eliminate that uncertainty," Moody's analyst Steven Hess wrote in the report.

The agency last week warned it would cut the United States' AAA credit rating if the government misses debt payments, increasing pressure on Republicans and the White House to come up with a budget agreement.

Moody's said it had always considered the risk of a U.S. debt default very low because Congress has regularly raised the debt ceiling during many decades, usually without controversy.

However, the current wide divisions between the House of Representatives and the Obama administration over the debt limit creates a high level of uncertainty and causes us to raise our assessment of event risk," Hess said.

Stepping further into the heated political debate about U.S. debt problems, Moody's suggested the government could look at other ways to limit debt.

It cited Chile, widely praised as Latin America's most fiscally-sound country, as an example.

"Elsewhere, the level of deficits is constrained by a 'fiscal rule,' which means the rise in debt is constrained though not technically limited," Moody's said, adding that such rule has been effective in Chile.

It also cited the example of the Maastricht criteria in Europe, which determines that the ratio of government debt to GDP should not exceed 60 percent. It noted, however, that such a rule is often breached by the governments.

In the United States, Moody's said the debt limit had not effectively curbed the rise in government debt because lawmakers regularly raise it and because that limit is not related to the level of expenditures approved by Congress.

Acid Trip
07-18-2011, 01:02 PM
Yeah, let's give a bunch of people who are addicted to spending an unlimited credit card. What could possibly go wrong?

Godfather
07-18-2011, 06:18 PM
I had to go looking for this because I found it interesting. Bottom line is, the debt ceiling doesn't stop administrations from doing what they're going to do I think :lol:

Kennedy raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 5%.

Johnson raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 18%.

Nixon raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 36%.

Ford raised the debt ceiling 5 times for a total increase of 41%.

Carter raised the debt ceiling 9 times for total increase of 59%.

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times for a total increase of 199%.

George H.W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 48%.

Clinton raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 44%.

George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 90%.

Obama has raised the debt ceiling 3 times for a total increase of 26%.

PorkChopSandwiches
07-18-2011, 06:21 PM
George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 90%.

Obama has raised the debt ceiling 3 times for a total increase of 26%.

Hmmmm, so it isnt all Obamas fault.......

DemonGeminiX
07-18-2011, 06:23 PM
I had to go looking for this because I found it interesting. Bottom line is, the debt ceiling doesn't stop administrations from doing what they're going to do I think :lol:

Kennedy raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 5%.

Johnson raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 18%.

Nixon raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 36%.

Ford raised the debt ceiling 5 times for a total increase of 41%.

Carter raised the debt ceiling 9 times for total increase of 59%.

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times for a total increase of 199%.

George H.W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 48%.

Clinton raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 44%.

George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 90%.

Obama has raised the debt ceiling 3 times for a total increase of 26%.

:shock:

Wow.

Godfather
07-18-2011, 06:31 PM
*Damn you DGX for locking the thread* :lol:


Yeah that Reagan increase is more than all democrats have raised it total :shock: Forgot to add in the article said Dem's have increased it a total of %152 and Republicans %414

Pretty interesting.

Deepsepia
07-18-2011, 07:57 PM
Yeah, let's give a bunch of people who are addicted to spending an unlimited credit card. What could possibly go wrong?

The debt ceiling is a bit bizarre. It does not limit spending-- it limits paying what we owe.

To keep with your credit card analogy (and its not a credit card, but anyway), the debt ceiling is not a limit on charging . . . its a limit on paying for those charges.

I'm perfectly in agreement with measures to bring the budget deficits into line, along the lines of either the Rivlin-Domenici or Simpson-Bowles proposals.

You'll note that neither of those commissions recommended monkeying with the debt limit .. .because that's not limiting spending, that's reneging on what you owe.

We should never be in the business of suggesting that whether we'll pay what we owe is going to be a political football.