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Teh One Who Knocks
02-05-2020, 11:31 AM
BY Andrea Seaman - sp!ked


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Switzerland will vote on 9 February in a national referendum on whether the law should be amended to include homosexuals and bisexuals in the category of groups protected from hate speech and discrimination. Religion and ethnic origin are already protected in this way.

In the official brochure, which was sent to all households before the referendum, our parliament and the federal council supported the amendment, arguing that discrimination in the form of hate speech ‘has no place in a free and tolerant society’. Opponents of this proposed law, who tend to be those on the right, rightly describe it as an attempt at censorship. The left-wingers who back this law change, meanwhile, describe it as an expression of tolerance towards gays and lesbians.

The sort of ‘hate speech’ that the law would prohibit is broadly defined: it could include any kind of explicit verbal denigration of sexual orientation that apparently constitutes an affront to the human dignity of a person. The main aim of the law is to ban discriminatory statements or ‘the systematic belittling and slandering of lesbians, gays and bisexuals’.

Instead of admitting that they want to restrict freedom of speech, the supporters of this law have invented a cunning sleight of hand. The German language does not only contain the concept of ‘Redefreiheit’ (free speech), but also ‘Meinungsfreiheit’, which means ‘freedom of opinion’. Fixating on the latter term and its reference to ‘opinion’, censorious campaigners have simply concluded that hate is ‘not an opinion’. Hence, in their view, banning expressions of hate does not constitute an infringement of the right to express opinions. But even if hate is not an opinion, it is an emotion – and giving the state the power to police emotions is not much better.

Proponents argue that the law is not just about speech, but that it will also protect against homophobic violence. The president of the Swiss Social Democratic Party (SP), Christian Levrat, says ‘it should not be allowed to publicly incite hatred and smear, because words are followed by deeds’. Levrat believes that the cause of hate crimes lies in hate speech. Consequently, he says we must ‘get to the root of the problem’ and prohibit all expressions of hatred towards gays. Sibylle Berg, a German-Swiss author who backs the law, says that ‘words precede deeds!’.

This is chilling. It is a form of what Philip K Dick’s ‘The Minority Report’ called ‘precime’ – in this case, ‘hate crimes’ that have not happened yet.

While proponents of this law often appeal to tolerance, its implementation would be an attack on true tolerance. Because tolerating an opinion or emotion often means disliking it but still allowing it to exist and be expressed. A fundamentalist Christian, for example, may take what the Bible says about homosexuals literally, and even hate homosexuals, but still tolerate them anyway.

In turn, those of us who loathe homophobia should tolerate those with homophobic views, so that we can challenge them in the open. The wonderful thing about tolerance is that it presumes that people have the capacity to change. Tolerance is not about being complacent about the existence of ugly views in society. It is our job to tolerate homophobes, to argue against them in order to convince them of our views. We should trust that truth will prevail.

What’s more, this proposed law would only make defeating homophobia more difficult. The censorship of hate speech puts a lid on passions and beliefs, bringing them to boiling point. It removes the restraining, calming, healthy influence of dialogue with fellow citizens.

As Jodie Ginsberg from Index on Censorship reminds us, anti-Semitic speech was criminalised in the Weimar Republic. Far from forcing the Nazis to rethink and to renounce their prejudices, these laws cemented their prejudices and gave them the mantle of martyrs. Ginsberg rightly rebukes ‘the narrative that suggests publicising the views of the far-right leads directly to much wider violence’.

There is nothing left-wing about censorship. By calling for censorship, the Swiss left has completely abandoned the traditional principles of left-wing politics and adopted ideas originally championed by the right. As Thomas Paine put it in Rights of Man, freedom is jeopardised when the state tries to impose ‘tolerance’ through official policy, law or decree. Enforced tolerance isn’t tolerance at all. A ‘tolerant’ state, Paine wrote, was akin to ‘the pope selling or granting indulgences’. What the state tolerates and grants, it can stifle and take away just as easily.

In total defiance of that original left-wing insight, the Swiss ‘left’ wants to enforce tolerance towards gays through law. But true freedom and tolerance can never be attained, given or guaranteed by the state. When the state offers you tolerance, it is always intolerance in disguise. We Swiss should reject this law, and abolish all the other hate-speech laws in Switzerland. This is the only way we can create a space for tolerance, debate and genuine democracy.

RBP

lost in melb.
02-06-2020, 09:17 AM
The sort of ‘hate speech’ that the law would prohibit is broadly defined: it could include any kind of explicit verbal denigration of sexual orientation that apparently constitutes an affront to the human dignity of a person. The main aim of the law is to ban discriminatory statements or ‘the systematic belittling and slandering of lesbians, gays and bisexuals’.

Fine. Don't kid yourself you can say whatsoever you like in public anyhow.

lost in melb.
02-06-2020, 09:21 AM
. A fundamentalist Christian, for example, may take what the Bible says about homosexuals literally, and even hate homosexuals, but still tolerate them anyway.

In turn, those of us who loathe homophobia should tolerate those with homophobic views, so that we can challenge them in the open. The wonderful thing about tolerance is that it presumes that people have the capacity to change. Tolerance is not about being complacent about the existence of ugly views in society. It is our job to tolerate homophobes, to argue against them in order to convince them of our views. We should trust that truth will prevail.

What’s more, this proposed law would only make defeating homophobia more difficult.

Nah, bullshit argument. Public expressions of homophobia leads to actual violence. That's the problem. It's like saying we should tolerate drug dealers, try and convince them to lead a better life.

DemonGeminiX
02-06-2020, 02:01 PM
Nah, bullshit argument. Public expressions of homophobia leads to actual violence. That's the problem. It's like saying we should tolerate drug dealers, try and convince them to lead a better life.

Not necessarily. I'm sure it does in some cases, but probably not as often as people would like you to believe. It's not the 1940s anymore, you know. We aren't a strict religious fundamentalist society. You can't just walk around and beat the crap out of someone just because. It would be nice if we could, in some well-deserving cases, but if all things are equal, it wouldn't be fair.

Words are one thing, actions are another. As an example, you can sit there and spew all the hateful rhetoric in my face about how people in wheelchairs should stay at home and not lead normal lives like everybody else (yes, that's happened to me on multiple occasions), and I can't do anything about it, but the moment you touch me or my wheelchair, it's game on (which has never happened to me as of yet). I've had several gay friends that have gotten upset over people getting in their faces and talking shit to them about being gay down here in the Bible Belt South, but I have yet to hear any one of them complain about any kind of physical assault following.

That's the premise behind the freedom of speech: You can say anything you want, but I don't have to agree with you or like what you say if I don't want to. However I will defend to the death your right to say whatever it is that you have to say. Labeling speech as hate crimes is just another attempt at stifling free speech.

Once you start getting physical, that's against the law and you've crossed the line.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-06-2020, 02:11 PM
Yup, it's a VERY slippery slope when it comes to wanting to label things as "hate speech". Who is the moral arbiter and decides what's hateful and what isn't? Should we allow someone with the thinnest of skin and gets butthurt by everything be allowed to determine what is and what is not hate speech? And whether or not someone's beliefs or opinions follow what society has deemed 'normal', why should someone be not allowed to believe it or opine on it if they want? No one is forcing you (or anyone else) to listen and give that person an audience. As DGX said, there's a difference between speech and actual physical interaction. And regardless of what you believe, mainstream or not, you have no right to physically assault someone and for that you will (more than likely) be arrested and go to jail.

Griffin
02-06-2020, 02:25 PM
No one is forcing you (or anyone else) to listen and give that person an audience.

Not exactly true. Society is being force fed LGBT ideology. http://www.tehfalloutshelter.com/showthread.php?103673-UK-Muslim-Father-Faces-Jail-for-Pulling-9-Year-Old-Son-Out-of-LGBT-Lessons