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Teh One Who Knocks
04-21-2020, 10:18 AM
By Niclas Rolander - Bloomberg


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Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize.

“We’re on a sort of plateau,” Tegnell told Swedish news agency TT.

Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

The spread of Covid-19 across the globe is triggering different responses across national and even state borders, as authorities struggle to contain an outbreak about which much remains unknown.

It’s unclear which strategy will ultimately prove most effective, and even experts in Sweden warn it’s too early to draw conclusions. But given the huge economic damage caused by strict lockdowns, the Swedish approach has drawn considerable interest around the world.

Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty.

Death Rates

As of Sunday, Sweden had reported 1,540 deaths tied to Covid-19, an increase of 29 from Saturday. That’s considerably more than in the rest of Scandinavia, but much less than in Italy, Spain and the U.K., both in absolute and relative terms.

Tegnell isn’t the only high-level official in Sweden to claim the country may be over the worst.

“The trend we have seen in recent days, with a more flat curve -- where we have many new cases, but not a daily increase -- is stabilizing,” Karin Tegmark Wisell, head of the microbiology department at Sweden’s Public Health Authority, said on Friday. “We are seeing the same pattern for patients in intensive care.”

Just two weeks ago, the picture was considerably bleaker, and Prime Minister Stefan Lofven suggested the government may need to review its approach amid the prospect of thousands of Swedish deaths. In particular, the failure to protect people in nursing homes has stood out as a clear weakness, which has contributed to higher death rates than in neighboring countries.

“The protection for people in elderly care should have been better,” Lofven said last week. “We need to look closer at what has gone wrong.”

Yet overall, Lofven’s strategy has won the approval of Swedes, and his personal popularity has soared.

“I have very high confidence in the Swedish authorities that manage this,” Volvo Cars CEO Hakan Samuelsson said in a phone interview. “It’s a hard balance to strike, but I have full confidence in the measures that Sweden has taken.”

Volvo, which was forced to halt production across Europe and furlough about 20,000 Swedish employees, will resume production at its Swedish plants on Monday.

“Our measures are all based on individuals taking responsibility, and that is also an important part of the Swedish model,” Samuelsson said.

The Economy

Sweden’s Covid-19 strategy may ultimately result in a smaller -- albeit historically deep -- economic contraction than the rest of Europe is now facing, according to HSBC Global Research economist James Pomeroy.

“While Sweden’s unwillingness to lock down the country could ultimately prove to be ill-judged, for now, if the infection curve flattens out soon, the economy could be better placed to rebound,” he said.

Pomeroy pointed to some Swedish characteristics that may be helping the country deal with the current crisis. More than half of Swedish households are single-person, making social distancing easier to carry out. More people work from home than anywhere else in Europe, and everyone has access to fast Internet, which helps large chunks of the workforce stay productive away from the office.

And while many other countries have introduced strict laws, including hefty fines if people are caught breaching newly minted social-distancing laws, Swedes appear to be following such guidelines without the need for legislation. Trips from Stockholm to Gotland -- a popular vacation destination -- dropped by 96% over the Easter weekend, according to data from the country’s largest mobile operator, Telia Company. And online service Citymapper’s statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility in the capital.

Sweden also recently pushed back against the notion that there’s little to no social distancing going on.

“We don’t have a radically different view,” Foreign Minister Ann Linde said in an interview with Radio Sweden. “The government has made a series of decisions that affect the whole society. It’s a myth that life goes on as normal in Sweden.”

DemonGeminiX
04-21-2020, 04:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuzPrhnaiYE

I could really put this video in any other thread that has to do with the coronavirus, but since Stossel named Sweden specifically...

RBP
04-21-2020, 10:59 PM
Shocking really. Who would have predicted.

Griffin
04-21-2020, 11:15 PM
:-k

lost in melb.
04-22-2020, 02:03 AM
Our new Overlords - when the rest of the world tanks~!


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Griffin
04-22-2020, 02:18 AM
Well, maybe in areas that don't have a second amendment.

lost in melb.
04-22-2020, 05:29 AM
"The nation's head epidemiologist Anders Tegnell is the government strategist behind Sweden's relaxed approach to fighting the disease.

He has argued that strong messaging around social distancing – without harsh restrictions and fines – means Sweden will be able to maintain virus protocols for much longer.

"It is important to have a policy that can be sustained over a longer period, meaning staying home if you are sick, which is our message," Dr Tegnell said."

Teh One Who Knocks
04-22-2020, 11:38 AM
Shocking really. Who would have predicted.

:shhh:


And the other thing that people don't realize, they are all under the misconception that this whole draconian lockdown is meant to "keep me from getting sick" when that's not the reality at all. It was to slow down the spread of the virus so that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. The chances are very high that everyone will most likely be exposed to this. Most people probably will get sick from it to a varying degree, whether it's extremely mild to death and everything in between. The longer this goes on, I think the Swedes did the right thing. Quarantine the elderly and those with underlying conditions, enact social distancing guidelines, but after that, let people go about their business.

People need to come to the realization of this lockdown was to slow the spread, not stop it. Until there's a vaccine, there is no way to stop it. We have a flu vaccine and people still get sick and die from the flu every year, well over 100,000 people worldwide die from the flu, sometimes much higher fatalities depending on the particular strain that is prevalent for that given year. People are going to get sick from Wu Flu. People are going to die from Wu Flu. This is the new reality in the world. You can't keep people locked up. We need to follow Sweden's lead and we need to open up the economy and let people go back to work and go on with their lives.

And here's the other thing, all these people living in fear and not wanting the world to open back up for business, guess what? You don't have to go out in public or interact with large groups! Stay home if you want. Get things delivered to your home. Avoid people. But just because you live in fear doesn't mean the rest of us do and that we shouldn't be allowed to get on with our lives.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-23-2020, 04:18 PM
So weird, cant imagine how that would work.

lost in melb.
04-23-2020, 11:01 PM
Well, maybe in areas that don't have a second amendment.

That armor is bulletproof :nono:

Pony
04-24-2020, 09:21 AM
That armor is bulletproof :nono:

He doesn't have a helmet and my aim is good.

RBP
04-24-2020, 12:41 PM
:shhh:


And the other thing that people don't realize, they are all under the misconception that this whole draconian lockdown is meant to "keep me from getting sick" when that's not the reality at all. It was to slow down the spread of the virus so that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. The chances are very high that everyone will most likely be exposed to this. Most people probably will get sick from it to a varying degree, whether it's extremely mild to death and everything in between. The longer this goes on, I think the Swedes did the right thing. Quarantine the elderly and those with underlying conditions, enact social distancing guidelines, but after that, let people go about their business.

People need to come to the realization of this lockdown was to slow the spread, not stop it. Until there's a vaccine, there is no way to stop it. We have a flu vaccine and people still get sick and die from the flu every year, well over 100,000 people worldwide die from the flu, sometimes much higher fatalities depending on the particular strain that is prevalent for that given year. People are going to get sick from Wu Flu. People are going to die from Wu Flu. This is the new reality in the world. You can't keep people locked up. We need to follow Sweden's lead and we need to open up the economy and let people go back to work and go on with their lives.

And here's the other thing, all these people living in fear and not wanting the world to open back up for business, guess what? You don't have to go out in public or interact with large groups! Stay home if you want. Get things delivered to your home. Avoid people. But just because you live in fear doesn't mean the rest of us do and that we shouldn't be allowed to get on with our lives.

:+1:

I have no choice but to blame the media for this. It has been made abundantly clear, but people aren't getting this message. Why?

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2020, 12:58 PM
:+1:

I have no choice but to blame the media for this. It has been made abundantly clear, but people aren't getting this message. Why?

I wish I knew. On the Nextdoor app (which is basically Facebook for your local neighborhood for those unfamiliar) there is thread after thread after thread of people freaking out because they think because not EVERY SINGLE PERSON is wearing a mask or gloves or whatever, that they are evil and trying to kill others around them. People think that this whole thing is to STOP the virus and prevent people from getting sick. From everything I remember, this was never ever stated anywhere. The whole narrative has ALWAYS been that to flatten the curve is to slow down the spread and help the healthcare system. I don't remember ever seeing anyone state that this will prevent the spread of the virus. If anything, there has been plenty of news saying we are going to most likely go thru this every year now.

So why people are freaking out and thinking that magically this virus is going to disappear and they are safe because we are being locked down, I have no clue.

Griffin
04-24-2020, 01:48 PM
I blame the overuse of anti-bacterial products the past few decades. Humans are losing the ability to develop immunities naturally.

Pony
04-24-2020, 01:55 PM
I blame the overuse of anti-bacterial products the past few decades. Humans are losing the ability to develop immunities naturally.

You mean raising little Timmy and Jane in a sterile bubble isn't the best protection for them? :shock:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2020, 01:58 PM
I blame the overuse of anti-bacterial products the past few decades. Humans are losing the ability to develop immunities naturally.


You mean raising little Timmy and Jane in a sterile bubble isn't the best protection for them? :shock:

There was a story I almost posted the other day about accidental poisoning from household disinfectants is up something like 33% over last year. Gee, I wonder why? Does it have anything to do with all those panic buyers that hoarded all the disinfectants and sanitizers?

Pony
04-24-2020, 02:01 PM
There was a story I almost posted the other day about accidental poisoning from household disinfectants is up something like 33% over last year. Gee, I wonder why? Does it have anything to do with all those panic buyers that hoarded all the disinfectants and sanitizers?

Yep. And the kids are home 24/7. And restless, getting into shit.