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Teh One Who Knocks
11-12-2020, 02:26 PM
By Tyler McCarthy | Fox News


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Michael Moore outlined his hopes for a Joe Biden presidency in an open letter to the president-elect that he shared on Facebook.

The filmmaker, who has been an ardent critic of President Donald Trump over the past four years, took to Facebook earlier this week to prove that his political thinking doesn’t end at dissenting with the current administration. He outlined his wishlist for things he hopes to see Biden do as soon as possible once he's in power.

Moore opened the letter by congratulating the president-elect on his victory.

“YOU did it. WE did it! You stopped the madness. A grateful nation - and myself - are in a state of joy, hope and relief,” he began. ”Thank you for that! We are all eager to join with you to repair the damage done to our country — and to eliminate that about our society and our politics which gave us Donald Trump in the first place.”

Moore went on to characterize Biden as someone capable of self-reflection and admitting when he has been wrong in the past. He acknowledged that he’s the second Catholic president and noted how the tenets of that religion propelled him to directly thank the Black community during his victory speech, in which he also signaled to immigrants that America would once again be a welcoming place to them.

From there, Moore launched into an itemized list of progressive policies he wants to see Biden enact during his time in office. Among his priorities included thinking of health care as a human right, paying workers a living wage, narrowing the “growing gulf” between the “ultra rich and everyone else” and providing equal pay to women.

Moore commended Biden for making his first priority as president to combat the coronavirus pandemic but begged him to provide stimulus and health care to those who have fallen out of work because of it.

He went a step farther by demanding that Biden ignore those on the political right and center and move forward with as many progressive policies as possible.

“I see various people trying to take credit for your victory — and using their personal agendas to push you away from the progressive Left and toward the cowardly center which believes that the best way to beat Republicans is to just be a more easily-digestible version of Republicans,” Moore wrote. “They think because Trump got 70 million votes the Democrats should reject Black Lives Matter, AOC, and anything that vaguely sounds like socialism — at a time when the majority of our citizens under the age of 35, according to most polls, prefer the idea of democratic socialism over the greed of modern-day capitalism. Why risk losing them? We need to listen to and understand why they feel this way.”

Moore went on to criticize Biden’s Democratic predecessor in the White House, President Barack Obama, who he alleged wanted “everyone to get along” and therefore spent his first two years in office compromising.

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“Don’t let this happen to you. Charge in on January 20th like FDR on steroids. You have no choice. People are dying! You need to sign executive orders and cajole, demand and shame Congress into action,” he wrote. “And GO BIG! Eliminate the Electoral College through the National Popular Vote Act! DONE! Ratify the Equal Rights Amendment for women! Just one more state needed! DONE! Send in the Army Corps of Engineers to Flint to replace the poisoned water pipes! DONE!!”

Moore concluded his lengthy open letter by doubling down on the assertion that Biden is the man to get this lofty agenda done during his first term in office.

“Joe, you’re the guy to fulfill the promise. I’ll help. So will my neighbors on the floor where I live,” he ended. “As will the woman who delivers my mail, the workers who stock the shelves of my neighborhood market, the nurse who just wrote me in tears because yesterday she watched her 22nd patient die, alone, no family allowed, from Covid. Not to mention the millions upon millions of Americans who are ready to be foot soldiers in your army of justice, equality and love. We’re all in! We don’t want to go back to the old ‘normal.’ We want a new normal!”

FBD
11-12-2020, 02:31 PM
the president can unilaterally change the constitution
imagine if Trump was going around saying he could just change the constitution, cuz he's the executive

Muddy
11-12-2020, 03:45 PM
Good luck getting that through the Supreme court, cottage cheese face..

PorkChopSandwiches
11-12-2020, 05:02 PM
Its a good thing we got the SC filled up

Griffin
11-12-2020, 05:45 PM
Its a good thing we got the SC filled up

If Kamala gets in the supreme court will be packed with minions that think like Moore.

lost in melb.
11-13-2020, 01:53 AM
Democratic socialism won't work in US. People are too self centered and they'll just rort the system.

Griffin
11-13-2020, 02:04 AM
Democratic socialism won't work in US. Americans aren't a bunch of pussies that will bow down waiting to be told when to piss.

FTFY

KevinD
11-13-2020, 02:04 AM
socialism won't work in US. People are too smart.
Fixed that for ya cuz...

lost in melb.
11-13-2020, 05:30 AM
It was a dig, but it's also true. Americans are simply more aggressive in that respect. Europeans etc. are more content and happy living in ( what you would consider) communal settings.

Godfather
11-13-2020, 08:09 AM
I'm going to be a broken record but it seems to me like democratic socialism is a boogeyman term that's been demonized to hell, to make us think the 'left' wants to be the next Venezuela and the 'right' wants to eat the poor. The vast majority want neither.

If we had pure socialistic economy, any activity from which profit can be made would be owned by the state and paid by taxes. In a pure capitalistic economy, no such activities are supported by taxes. We already live in the middle with democratic, social interventions. We have public schools, public highways, state parks, some forms of foodstamps, old age security, housing and tax breaks for the poor. They're all social interventions that we already agreed on. Once we get passed the term and cut the red scare crap, it's a lot more fun to just debate what exactly we want our hard earned tax dollars to actually pay for. Maybe look around the world and see where people are happier, healthier, gainfully employed, and still getting a good deal from their tax dollars. There's no one utopia to just point to which is the hard part.

FBD
11-16-2020, 02:58 PM
Democratic socialism won't work in US. People are too self centered and they'll just rort the system.

The #1 reason that democratic socialism would not work here is that it is inconsistent with the Constitution

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2020, 03:02 PM
A President can't eliminate the Electoral College. It would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate the Electoral College.

Griffin
11-16-2020, 03:10 PM
And if the dems pull off this coup that is exactly what will happen. They will pack the Supreme Court and dismantle the constitution piece by piece. A year from now you won't even recognize our country and the democrat minions will just sit there guzzling their koolaid saying "OH YEAH"

FBD
11-16-2020, 03:29 PM
If we had pure socialistic economy, any activity from which profit can be made would be owned by the state and paid by taxes. In a pure capitalistic economy, no such activities are supported by taxes. We already live in the middle with democratic, social interventions. We have public schools, public highways, state parks, some forms of foodstamps, old age security, housing and tax breaks for the poor. They're all social interventions that we already agreed on. Once we get passed the term and cut the red scare crap, it's a lot more fun to just debate what exactly we want our hard earned tax dollars to actually pay for. Maybe look around the world and see where people are happier, healthier, gainfully employed, and still getting a good deal from their tax dollars. There's no one utopia to just point to which is the hard part.

People from other countries always fuck this up when the context moves to the United States, because we (allegedly) have a separation of powers here. Some things are the responsibility of the locals. Some things are the responsibility of the State. Some things are the responsibility of the fedgov. Before the corporate constitution of 1871 turned everything on its head, the local sheriff was the highest authority in his locality and the feds were at the bottom of the pile.

Constitutionally speaking, most of these social services are unlawful for the fedgov to provide. This is the crux of the 10th Amendment. I know foreigners often get bent out of shape about what our fedgov does or does not do, but social services are simply not agreeable with the constitution and are powers reserved for the states. This whole setup is entirely aimed at preventing the fedgov from getting too big and too powerful - lo and behold, these limitations were ignored, our fedgov got too big and powerful, and did a whole lot of things it had no enumerated authority to do.

This red scare stuff is just pointing out ways in which our republic has been undermined - we dont have a democracy here, every time you hear someone say the word democracy in relation to the US government, it is code for banksterism, oligarchy, kleptocracy - just undermining the republic.