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Teh One Who Knocks
01-27-2021, 11:48 AM
By Dom Calicchio | Fox News


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U.S. Sen. Rand Paul declared former President Trump’s Senate impeachment trial "dead on arrival" on Tuesday after 45 Senate Republicans voted against holding the proceeding, viewing it as unconstitutional.

Rand, a Kentucky Republican, had called for a procedural vote regarding holding a trial, claiming the Senate shouldn’t address the article of impeachment against Trump filed by the House this month because Trump is now out of office.
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If a trial were to proceed, Trump would become the first former president to face an impeachment trial.

In Paul’s view, the votes of 45 Republicans against holding a trial proved his point – and likely rendered any upcoming trial to be moot.

"If you voted that it was unconstitutional, how in the world would you ever vote to convict somebody for this?" Paul told reporters after the vote, according to Politico. "This vote indicates it’s over. The trial is all over."

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Paul added in a Twitter message that the vote showed the House’s impeachment case – charging Trump with "inciting an insurrection" in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol – was "dead on arrival."

On Tuesday night, during an appearance on "FOX News Primetime" with Maria Bartiromo," Paul addressed what he saw as a double standard by Democrats.

"One of Bernie Sanders' supporters came to the ballfield, nearly killed Steve Scalise ... but nobody talked about impeaching Bernie Sanders. Maxine Waters has said, 'Get up in their face' -- so has Cory Booker -- 'Become a mob, we want you to mob them at restaurants and cause mayhem.' That sounds like an incitement to violence but nobody's talking about impeaching Maxine Waters, nobody's talking about impeaching Bernie Sanders or Cory Booker for saying 'Get up in their face.'

"So it's a significant hypocrisy and double standard that they're putting forward and they should be called out on it. Nobody should be shy about calling them out on their hypocrisy."

The only five GOP senators who supported placing Trump on trial were longtime critics of Trump -- Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Mitt Romney of Utah. They voted along with 50 Democrats in the 55-45 tally.

In floor marks ahead of the vote, Paul also claimed that the absence of the chief justice of the Supreme Court also made a Senate impeachment trial unconstitutional. Chief Justice John Roberts said he would not preside over the trial because Trump was no longer president.

"Impeachment is for removal from office and the accused here has already left office," Paul had argued prior to the procedural vote. "Hyper-partisan Democrats are about to drag our great country into the gutter of rancor and vitriol the likes of which has never been seen in our nation’s history."
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He also claimed a Senate impeachment trial would be "the antithesis of unity" in a nation seeking healing after years of partisan division.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., argued that Paul’s assessment of the situation was "flat-out wrong," claiming it had already been "completely debunked by constitutional scholars all across the political spectrum." Article 1 Section 3 of the Constitution states that officials can be barred from holding office ever again through impeachment, Schumer said.

The House voted to impeach Trump on Jan. 13, one week after rioters stormed the Capitol following a nearby Trump rally on the day that Congress was gathering to certify Democrat Joe Biden’s Dec. 14 Electoral College victory. The vote was delayed but resumed later that night, after rioters were cleared out of the Capitol.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-27-2021, 04:11 PM
Love Rand

FBD
01-27-2021, 04:51 PM
He's not quite his pops, but at least he's more assertive

PorkChopSandwiches
01-27-2021, 05:54 PM
I had a Vote Ron Paul sign in my yard, think I still have it in my garage

The Monk
01-28-2021, 03:50 AM
I have to wonder if the Republican party has forgotten that it should be representing Americans and not just their own biased views.

DemonGeminiX
01-28-2021, 04:22 AM
I have to wonder if the Republican party has forgotten that it should be representing Americans and not just their own biased views.

And how are their views biased?

The Monk
01-28-2021, 05:26 AM
And how are their views biased?



The fact that they could not see the damage Trump did to their brand and to America in the world's eyes. Power at all costs and fuck the elector.

Personally, I believe in a right of centre government but not for a party that places themselves first.


You'll argue that you don't give a shit about what the world thinks but it really does matter. Biden hopefully will repair those perceptions.

DemonGeminiX
01-28-2021, 08:20 AM
The fact that they could not see the damage Trump did to their brand and to America in the world's eyes. Power at all costs and fuck the elector.

Personally, I believe in a right of centre government but not for a party that places themselves first.


You'll argue that you don't give a shit about what the world thinks but it really does matter. Biden hopefully will repair those perceptions.

I don't have to argue, I don't give a shit about how the world views us. You already know it's true, so it's a useless point to bring up. Sure, Trump was a barking junkyard dog, but his policies were what mattered. Brand? Countries don't have brands. That's an idiotic notion. The only 'brand' that America has is that we are the light of liberty and freedom in the West. We are the leaders. Whatever you believe our 'brand' to be is your bias that you're projecting upon us. It doesn't belong. It doesn't matter what you think.

Power at all cost? Fuck the elector? Where are you getting this bullshit from?

If you don't believe in a political party that places itself first above all else, then why do you side with the Democrats? That's all they ever do. The Republicans represent the working class, the small business, the people the Democrats piss on. The Democrats piss on their own constituents. The Republicans are for the US people.

Biden and the Democrats are going to make life more difficult for y'all, because they're all in China's pocket. When China starts beating you up, the US isn't going to help you. Not like we would with Republicans in control. Like it or not, but the Republicans AND Trump were the stop gap solution against the ever growing threat that is China. Now we're controlled by a party that just wants to bow down and appease everybody. Because that party's full of fucking weak idiots. Biden's an ineffectual empty-headed moron. He always has been. You'll get nothing from him.

perrhaps
01-28-2021, 10:21 AM
The sensible, intelligent thing for the Democrats to do now would be to file a declaratory judgment action in Federal Court that would eventually get a ruling from SCOTUS as to whether a Senate Trial would be constitutional. If it's ruled constitutional,I suspect that more than 5 GOP Senators would vote to impeach. If it's ruled not constitutional, then I'd like to take Schumer's glasses off the end of his nose, put them on the floor and stomp on them.

DemonGeminiX
01-28-2021, 10:57 AM
The sensible, intelligent thing for the Democrats to do now would be to file a declaratory judgment action in Federal Court that would eventually get a ruling from SCOTUS as to whether a Senate Trial would be constitutional. If it's ruled constitutional,I suspect that more than 5 GOP Senators would vote to impeach. If it's ruled not constitutional, then I'd like to take Schumer's glasses off the end of his nose, put them on the floor and stomp on them.

The problem is there are two cases of note that could be used as precedent: the first was for a Secretary of War (Belknap, I believe) that was impeached back in the 1800s after he resigned, and Nixon, who resigned before the House could draft articles of impeachment and subsequently, didn't follow through with the threat because they thought it would be unconstitutional.

Interesting to note that the 1800s Secretary of War that was impeached didn't gather the necessary votes to convict. The Senate released an official statement before the trial that stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that the impeachment was valid because it was due to acts committed while the Secretary was still serving in the role, and his resignation didn't absolve him of those acts. Considering that Nixon was pretty certain to be convicted, it's curious that the Congress during Nixon's impeachment didn't use the same reasoning. Subsequently, today we have the two cases that have opposite implications.

I believe I read somewhere that Justice Roberts has already stated that he believed it would be unconstitutional.

FBD
01-28-2021, 12:59 PM
Justice Roberts will rule as his handlers tell him to, he is a compromised tool placed in his position at the behest of the "english" crown

PorkChopSandwiches
01-28-2021, 05:28 PM
I have to wonder if the Republican party has forgotten that it should be representing Americans and not just their own biased views.

The represent half of America :roll: have you forgot?

The Monk
01-29-2021, 07:21 AM
The represent half of America :roll: have you forgot?

According to the popular vote - over 5,000,000 less than the Democrats...


I can only state from the perspective of an outside onlooker. I can also state from the perspective of one who reads foreign press. From both these points of view, Trump and the GoP have damaged America's standing in the world.


Just a few sources that agree with me:-



America Last: How Trump Torpedoed the U.S. International Standing (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-foreign-policy-destroyed-international-standing-1084802/)

U.S. Image Plummets Internationally as Most Say Country Has Handled Coronavirus Badly (https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/)

The Trump era has seen a decline in America’s global reputation (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/19/the-trump-era-has-seen-a-decline-in-americas-global-reputation/)

How Trump Is Ending the American Era (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/is-trump-ending-the-american-era/537888/)

Majority of Americans say Trump has damaged US standing in the world, Independent poll reveals (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/donald-trump-america-poll-world-allies-biden-us-election-2020-b1449879.html)

Present at the Destruction of U.S. Power and Influence (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/14/trump-biden-foreign-policy-alliances/)

How Trump Lowered America's Standing in the World (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/opinion/trump-foreign-policy-us-allies.html)

Analysis: Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world (https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-legacy-analysis-int-idUSKBN29P0EX)

America’s global standing is at a low point. The pandemic made it worse. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/reckoning-america-world-standing-low-point/)

How Trump damaged science — and why it could take decades to recover (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/reckoning-america-world-standing-low-point/)



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As you can see, I am not just concocting opinions.

perrhaps
01-29-2021, 10:23 AM
The problem is there are two cases of note that could be used as precedent: the first was for a Secretary of War (Belknap, I believe) that was impeached back in the 1800s after he resigned, and Nixon, who resigned before the House could draft articles of impeachment and subsequently, didn't follow through with the threat because they thought it would be unconstitutional.

Interesting to note that the 1800s Secretary of War that was impeached didn't gather the necessary votes to convict. The Senate released an official statement before the trial that stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that the impeachment was valid because it was due to acts committed while the Secretary was still serving in the role, and his resignation didn't absolve him of those acts. Considering that Nixon was pretty certain to be convicted, it's curious that the Congress during Nixon's impeachment didn't use the same reasoning. Subsequently, today we have the two cases that have opposite implications.

I believe I read somewhere that Justice Roberts has already stated that he believed it would be unconstitutional.

I'm convinced that Nixon resigned in return for two conditions. First, that Ford would pardon him; and second, that Congress would not impeach.

And, because there appear to be conflicting precedents, it seems like an opportune time to put this issue before SCOTUS for a definitive answer.

RBP
01-29-2021, 10:25 AM
Posting NYT, TheAtlantic, RollingStone, and Washpo doesn't help you. :lol:

And of course you're "concocting opinions", that's what opinions are.

The Dems will get destroyed at the mid terms, that's how this country works.