PDA

View Full Version : Biden, Dems Want To Monitor Americans’ Bank Accounts, Blasted As Violating 4th Amendment



Teh One Who Knocks
09-13-2021, 12:00 PM
By Hank Berrien - The Daily Wire


https://i.imgur.com/pwMvZ1Vl.jpg

President Biden and the Democrats’ $3.5 trillion budget plan means to monitor gross inflows and outflows from Americans’ bank accounts, prompting concern that the federal government would be willfully violating the 4th Amendment.

“The proposal would require banks to report to gross inflows and outflows to the IRS, including transactions from Venmo, PayPal, crypto exchanges and the like in an effort to fight tax evasion,” the Daily Mail noted, adding, “The IRS would know how much money is in an individual’s bank account in a given year, whether the individual earned income on that account and exactly how much was going in an and out.”

Patrick Hedger, vice president of policy at the Taxpayers’ Protection Alliance, blasted the idea, saying, “The IRS is first and foremost, a law enforcement agency and the Fourth Amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures in pursuit of, of looking for wrongdoing and criminal actions, so I think this is going to run into severe Fourth Amendment headwinds.”

He added:


You’re going to push more folks into small cash transactions, you’re going to push more banking offshore … the big fish out there that do have sizable assets that are that are eligible for taxation offshore. This is the ultimate regressive tax. You’re going to end up punishing the worst off among us … the lower income folks in this country have historically been the targets of aggressive IRS audits because they don’t have the CPAs and the lawyers to be able to fight back. I don’t see why they need to be going after people, you know, just the average, the average Joe and start stooping on, you know, a $600 payment. It doesn’t make any sense, these, this is, I mean this is beyond trying to pick out low hanging fruit.

A group including the American Bankers Association, the Bank Policy Institute, the Consumer Bankers Association wrote to the Senate Subcommittee on Finance:


This proposal will have real costs, not only for government, but also for financial institutions, small businesses, and individual taxpayers. … Considering all the existing tax and other compliance reporting responsibilities already borne by the financial services industry, we have serious reservations regarding the efficacy of yet another reporting requirement.

… assuming taxpayers have a responsibility to “reconcile” whatever information is provided to them and the IRS by financial institutions, this new reporting structure could create a significant burden on individuals and businesses subject to the requirement – the majority of whom will have nothing inherently suspicious about their returns.

Given the substantial burden that this proposed reporting requirement would create on businesses, individual taxpayers and financial institutions, it is imperative that the benefits of implementation materially outweigh the costs and risk associated with this large scale collection of sensitive personal financial information.

On July 1, The Taxpayer Protection Alliance published a letter opposing the Biden administration giving the IRS an extra $40 million in the latest infrastructure agreement. They wrote:


While billed by proponents of the deal as beefing up “enforcement,” the agency’s recent actions have given the American people no reason to believe this infusion of funds would be spent wisely. …

In 2013, the nation discovered that the IRS had targeted certain groups – a number of whom have co-signed this letter – for increased audit scrutiny based on their political beliefs. … In 2017, the IRS settled the lawsuit against them, admitting their actions were wrongful. Despite this admission, there is little indication the IRS has learned its lesson. In just the last month, agency employees illegally leaked the tax information of private individuals to the media. Given the prominence of the individuals whose records were released, there is little doubt this move was politically motivated. …

The new money dedicated to the IRS under the infrastructure plan would involve the agency intensifying their focus on certain groups. Given the agency’s history and even most recent actions, this should concern the nation.

DemonGeminiX
09-13-2021, 12:04 PM
It is a violation of the 4th amendment.

PorkChopSandwiches
09-13-2021, 04:56 PM
No end to their overreach

Griffin
09-13-2021, 05:48 PM
yet his minions keep drooling over him.

perrhaps
09-14-2021, 09:23 AM
It is a violation of the 4th amendment.

Maybe, but how is it any different than the hassle my bank and the IRS put me through when I withdrew over $10,000.00 for a Vegas trip?

lost in melb.
09-14-2021, 09:30 AM
Maybe, but how is it any different than the hassle my bank and the IRS put me through when I withdrew over $10,000.00 for a Vegas trip?

Same here is Aus. Any payment over $10,000 the gov wants to know about. Except that this new law monitors almost every small in and out tick.

Like the article says, it may well end up hurting the small guy - while the rich keep their loopholes.

Griffin
09-14-2021, 12:05 PM
Maybe, but how is it any different than the hassle my bank and the IRS put me through when I withdrew over $10,000.00 for a Vegas trip?

That's why you only withdraw or deposit increments below $9900.00 in cash transactions.

perrhaps
09-15-2021, 09:31 AM
That's why you only withdraw or deposit increments below $9900.00 in cash transactions.

It's actually a crime to make these types of deposits too close together in time in an effort to avoid the banks' reporting requirement. A friendly banker and I sat down and discussed this at some length.

The best way to handle this (and reporting requirements on other nation's custom declaration forms is to have someone sent you money via Western Union while you're away.

DemonGeminiX
09-15-2021, 10:20 AM
Maybe, but how is it any different than the hassle my bank and the IRS put me through when I withdrew over $10,000.00 for a Vegas trip?

What kind of hassle did your bank and the IRS put you through? Did they ask you if you were laundering money, sending money to a terrorist group, or planning to make a large illicit drug purchase? And why did you need to carry over $10000 in cash to visit Vegas? Does your credit, debit, and/or ATM card not work in Nevada? Be careful on that last one, my brother used to live in Vegas and I've been out there dozens of times when he did. And yes, I did use my credit and ATM cards out there.

perrhaps
09-16-2021, 09:37 AM
What kind of hassle did your bank and the IRS put you through? Did they ask you if you were laundering money, sending money to a terrorist group, or planning to make a large illicit drug purchase? And why did you need to carry over $10000 in cash to visit Vegas? Does your credit, debit, and/or ATM card not work in Nevada? Be careful on that last one, my brother used to live in Vegas and I've been out there dozens of times when he did. And yes, I did use my credit and ATM cards out there.

Of course my cards worked in Vegas. I needed the cash to (shudder) gamble, including some cash-only buy-in fees for poker tournaments.

As to the hassle, it went beyond the questions you've posed to include asking about my occupation (although stating "self-employed" was adequate), and when I got older, some general anti-fraud questions.

While I'm sure that Vegas locals have access to no-charge ATMs like I do here, good luck finding them within a half-mile of the Strip.

DemonGeminiX
09-16-2021, 04:53 PM
Of course my cards worked in Vegas. I needed the cash to (shudder) gamble, including some cash-only buy-in fees for poker tournaments.

As to the hassle, it went beyond the questions you've posed to include asking about my occupation (although stating "self-employed" was adequate), and when I got older, some general anti-fraud questions.

While I'm sure that Vegas locals have access to no-charge ATMs like I do here, good luck finding them within a half-mile of the Strip.

Yeah, good luck finding fee-free ATMs on the Strip. They don't exist. That's why you get good at gambling in Vegas, to win all those ATM fees back. :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-16-2021, 04:56 PM
It's the same way at a strip club. It's been a l-o-n-g time now since I was last in one, but even back then the ATM fee was $5 and it wasn't even a fancy high end strip club. That was probably 15 or 20 years ago now, I bet it's probably at least $10 if not more.

PorkChopSandwiches
09-16-2021, 05:11 PM
Of course my cards worked in Vegas. I needed the cash to (shudder) gamble, including some cash-only buy-in fees for poker tournaments.

As to the hassle, it went beyond the questions you've posed to include asking about my occupation (although stating "self-employed" was adequate), and when I got older, some general anti-fraud questions.

While I'm sure that Vegas locals have access to no-charge ATMs like I do here, good luck finding them within a half-mile of the Strip.

I use a credit union and all 7-11 are no fee :)

Griffin
09-16-2021, 06:31 PM
It's the same way at a strip club. It's been a l-o-n-g time now since I was last in one, but even back then the ATM fee was $5 and it wasn't even a fancy high end strip club. That was probably 15 or 20 years ago now, I bet it's probably at least $10 if not more.

I use a credit union and all 7-11 are no fee :)



Now I know what's in that backroom of 7-11. :mrgreen: