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Teh One Who Knocks
10-07-2021, 11:32 AM
By Byron Kaye - Reuters News Service


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SYDNEY, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Australia's two most populous states are trialling facial recognition software that lets police check people are home during COVID-19 quarantine, expanding trials that have sparked controversy to the vast majority of the country's population.

Little-known tech firm Genvis Pty Ltd said on a website for its software that New South Wales (NSW) and Victoria, home to Sydney, Melbourne and more than half of Australia's 25 million population, were trialling its facial recognition products. Genvis said the trials were being conducted on a voluntary basis.

The Perth, Western Australia-based startup developed the software in 2020 with WA state police to help enforce pandemic movement restrictions, and has said it hopes to sell its services abroad.

South Australia state began trialling a similar, non-Genvis technology last month, sparking warnings from privacy advocates around the world about potential surveillance overreach. The involvement of New South Wales and Victoria, which have not disclosed that they are trialling facial recognition technology, may amplify those concerns.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said in an email the state was "close to piloting some home quarantine options for returning Australians", without directly responding to questions about Genvis facial recognition software. Police in NSW referred questions to the state premier.

Victoria Police referred questions to the Victorian Health department, which did not respond to requests for comment.

Under the system being trialled, people respond to random check-in requests by taking a 'selfie' at their designated home quarantine address. If the software, which also collects location data, does not verify the image against a "facial signature", police may follow up with a visit to the location to confirm the person's whereabouts.

Though the technology has been used in WA since last November, it has more recently been pitched as a tool to enable the country to reopen its borders, ending a system in place since the start of the pandemic that requires international arrivals to spend two weeks in hotel quarantine under police guard.

Aside from the pandemic, police forces have expressed interest in using facial recognition software, prompting a backlash from rights groups about the potential to target minority groups.

While the recognition technology has been used in countries like China, no other democracy has been reported as considering its use in connection with coronavirus containment procedures.

'KEEP COMMUNITIES SAFE'

Genvis Chief Executive Kirstin Butcher declined to comment on the trials, beyond the disclosures on the product website.

"You can't have home quarantine without compliance checks, if you're looking to keep communities safe," she said in a phone interview.

"You can't perform physical compliance checks at the scale needed to support (social and economic) re-opening plans so technology has to be used."

But rights advocates warned the technology may be inaccurate, and may open the window for law enforcement agencies to use people's data for other purposes without specific laws stopping them.

"I'm troubled not just by the use here but by the fact this is an example of the creeping use of this sort of technology in our lives," said Toby Walsh, a professor of Artificial Intelligence at University of NSW.

Walsh questioned the reliability of facial recognition technology in general, which he said could be hacked to give false location reports.

"Even if it works here ... then it validates the idea that facial recognition is a good thing," he said. "Where does it end?"

The government of Western Australia has said it banned police from using data collected by COVID-related software for non-COVID matters. The WA police say they have put 97,000 people through home quarantine, using facial recognition, without incident.

"The law should prevent a system for monitoring quarantine being used for other purposes," said Edward Santow, a former Australian Human Rights Commissioner who now leads an artificial intelligence ethics project at University of Technology, Sydney.

"Facial recognition technology might seem like a convenient way to monitor people in quarantine but ... if something goes wrong with this technology, the risk of harm is high."

Teh One Who Knocks
10-07-2021, 11:32 AM
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lost in melb.
10-07-2021, 12:44 PM
First I've heard of this. If I piss on the sensor do they photograph my dick?

Teh One Who Knocks
10-07-2021, 12:59 PM
Not sure who was describing this (I heard the clip on a podcast about it) but the woman explaining the program (some Aussie authority of some sort) said that if you get a random phone call from the government, you had 5 minutes to respond with a selfie proving that you were home or else they would dispatch people to your home and checking to make sure you were actually there.

Nothing dystopian about that at all.

lost in melb.
10-07-2021, 01:11 PM
Not sure who was describing this (I heard the clip on a podcast about it) but the woman explaining the program (some Aussie authority of some sort) said that if you get a random phone call from the government, you had 5 minutes to respond with a selfie proving that you were home or else they would dispatch people to your home and checking to make sure you were actually there.

Nothing dystopian about that at all.

This is for people with known Covid under home quarantine.

KevinD
10-07-2021, 05:08 PM
This is for people with known Covid under home quarantine.

Honest question for you Lost. This makes it acceptable how?

PorkChopSandwiches
10-07-2021, 05:24 PM
Disgusting

PorkChopSandwiches
10-07-2021, 05:24 PM
Do they do this with criminals on house arrest or just your normal law abiding citizen

perrhaps
10-08-2021, 09:41 AM
Honest question for you Lost. This makes it acceptable how?

Um, maybe to keep infected people from spreading the disease?

Back in the late 1950s, I vividly remember police tape being put up around homes where people were quarantined, and the police telephoning the owners to verify that they were home.

Of course, there were no cell phones back then. I also remember my parents being told not to use our party line except for emergencies when a neighbor three houses down was quarantined.

lost in melb.
10-08-2021, 12:52 PM
Honest question for you Lost. This makes it acceptable how?

Well, I assume you understand the concept of quarantine for those that have Covid (particularly environments with low vaccination rates and low covid).

So what was happening is, some people get impatient and go out in the community despite having covid. This is a way of checking that they are home. It's ok because it protects the wider community.

lost in melb.
10-08-2021, 12:55 PM
Do they do this with criminals on house arrest or just your normal law abiding citizen

Well if they were law abiding there wouldn't be a problem.

lost in melb.
10-08-2021, 01:02 PM
Also: "You can't perform physical compliance checks at the scale needed to support (social and economic) re-opening plans so technology has to be used."

So what's going to happen if we are opening up our borders and then the quarantine that has been happening in the hotel will move to home. This is just to check to make sure that people actually do it. Also, it's a trial. We don't know what's going to happen. I don't see any legitimacy to the privacy concerns because you simply delete the app once you finished the quarantine. It's not like they put a camera in to spy on you.

KevinD
10-08-2021, 01:23 PM
Um, maybe to keep infected people from spreading the disease?

Back in the late 1950s, I vividly remember police tape being put up around homes where people were quarantined, and the police telephoning the owners to verify that they were home.

Of course, there were no cell phones back then. I also remember my parents being told not to use our party line except for emergencies when a neighbor three houses down was quarantined.


Well, I assume you understand the concept of quarantine for those that have Covid (particularly environments with low vaccination rates and low covid).

So what was happening is, some people get impatient and go out in the community despite having covid. This is a way of checking that they are home. It's ok because it protects the wider community.

I get what yall are saying. I truly do, and I can agree with the ideal. However, I have a persnal issue with the rights of the one being taken away for the good of the many.
We can just agree to disagree and move along. Thanks for the replies

lost in melb.
10-08-2021, 01:27 PM
I get what yall are saying. I truly do, and I can agree with the ideal. However, I have a persnal issue with the rights of the one being taken away for the good of the many.
We can just agree to disagree and move along. Thanks for the replies

Yes we and at least we are both in touch with reality enough to know that is our point of difference.

Teh One Who Knocks
10-08-2021, 01:29 PM
Well, I assume you understand the concept of quarantine for those that have Covid (particularly environments with low vaccination rates and low covid).

So what was happening is, some people get impatient and go out in the community despite having covid. This is a way of checking that they are home. It's ok because it protects the wider community.

Or, you could come to grips with the fact that there is no more pandemic. Covid is now endemic and will NEVER be going away. It's like every other virus out there like the flu and the various strains of the common cold (which are also corona viruses). We don't lock people up in their homes during a bad flu season and we shouldn't be doing it because of this. There are already vaccines now widely available for anyone that wants to take one. There is a new therapeutic drug coming out from Merck that will treat people that have contracted it. Just like every disease, there will be more and better ways to fight it. Locking up people like they are lepers isn't one of them.

lost in melb.
10-08-2021, 01:47 PM
Or, you could come to grips with the fact that there is no more pandemic. Covid is now endemic and will NEVER be going away. It's like every other virus out there like the flu and the various strains of the common cold (which are also corona viruses). We don't lock people up in their homes during a bad flu season and we shouldn't be doing it because of this. There are already vaccines now widely available for anyone that wants to take one. There is a new therapeutic drug coming out from Merck that will treat people that have contracted it. Just like every disease, there will be more and better ways to fight it. Locking up people like they are lepers isn't one of them.

I completely take your point. With respect I don't think it's over but things are improving and we are heading in that direction. I can only speak for Australia but we are going from lockdowns and strict hotel quarantine towards international travel, no lockdowns and shorter home quarantines. I see that as an improvement and as a vaccination rates get higher we will see further reduction and restrictions as Covid becomes, as you say, endemic and just like a seasonal flu.

So 70% international flight resume, 80% no movement restrictions. But we really needed over 90% for herd immunity, due to the fact that the Delta variant is as contagious is measles. For reference polio vaccination rates are about 95% in Australia.

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Now, in the US it's different. To be frank and honest and it pains me to say you have a broken country at the moment and a lack of social cohesion, so I don't know what's going to happen there. I wonder if your double vaccination rates are even going to go much above 60%.

Griffin
10-08-2021, 02:29 PM
Now, in the US it's different. To be frank and honest and it pains me to say you have a broken country at the moment and a lack of social cohesion, so I don't know what's going to happen there. I wonder if your double vaccination rates are even going to go much above 60%.

Doubtful, as more and more of the populace realize how much we been lied to since this shit started.
And it's not broken. It is being destroyed from within by the dog and pony show orchestrated by the deep state.