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Teh One Who Knocks
11-08-2021, 11:32 AM
By Jon Brown | Fox News


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The Biden administration is reportedly weighing the potential market consequences of shutting down an oil pipeline in Michigan, drawing criticism from opponents. Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Biden's energy secretary, predicted Sunday that heating prices will rise this winter regardless of the Biden administration's decision on the pipeline. "Yeah, this is going to happen. It will be more expensive this year than last year," Granholm told CNN.

The administration has yet to decide on what to do with Line 5 and officials were gathering information only to present a clear picture of the situation, according to sources who spoke to Politico.

Line 5 is part of a network that moves crude oil and other petroleum products from western Canada, transporting about 540,000 barrels per day. Petroleum is taken from the pipeline in Escanaba, Michigan.

Jason Hayes, the director of environmental policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, blasted the Biden administration for its energy policies, telling Fox News that their work on Line 5 is "just one more example of being divorced from reality."

"They're planning to power an industrial nation like the United States on solar panels and wind turbines," Hayes said, while noting that even the solar panels and wind turbines require "oil, natural gas, nuclear and even coal" to be produced.

Hayes presented a dire picture of what shutting Line 5 could mean if people are unable to get natural gas or the electricity it provides as the nation heads into winter.

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"I hope it doesn't end like this, but where I see it going is unfortunately the same thing that happened in February in Texas: People freezing in their homes," he said, adding, "Most of the time when it's extremely cold or there's a real bad polar vortex situation, typically it's pretty cloudy and there's not a lot of wind."

Explaining he has trouble understanding why some Western leaders seem unable to grasp the importance of reliable, affordable energy and electricity for everyday citizens, Hayes said, "It seems like the only nations that understand that we require reliable, affordable dispatchable energy is China and Russia. And they're the only ones that are producing energy and they're more than happy to hold that energy hostage for the rest of the world."

The Biden administration's move on Line 5 has drawn criticism from Republican lawmakers in Congress, more than a dozen of whom sent a letter to Biden on Nov. 4 warning against such a move as gas prices surge 50%.

Rep. Bob Latta, R-Ohio, wrote, "As we enter the winter months and temperatures drop across the Midwest, the termination of Line 5 will undoubtedly further exacerbate shortages and price increases in home heating fuels like natural gas and propane at a time when Americans are already facing rapidly rising energy prices, steep home heating costs, global supply shortages, and skyrocketing gas prices."

The Biden administration canceled the Keystone XL pipeline in January, but has since waived sanctions against a pipeline for Russia to ship energy to Germany, effectively approving that pipeline.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2021, 05:24 PM
derp

DemonGeminiX
11-08-2021, 05:32 PM
He's gotta be in OPEC's pocket.

lost in melb.
11-11-2021, 09:46 AM
Trouble is that oil from Canads is amongst the most expensive in the world to extract.

Not that any of this makes any difference. As long as there is overseas demand for North American petro-chemical produce, prices will continue going high and your 'energy independence' means nothing. Unless you want to get rid of the free market and introduce socialised systems like Norway and Venezuela.... Maybe then your gov. could keep gas prices down.

DemonGeminiX
11-11-2021, 10:17 AM
Trouble is that oil from Canberra is amongst the most expensive in the world to extract.

Not that any of this makes any difference. As long as there is overseas demand for North American petro-chemical produce, prices will continue going high and your 'energy independence' means nothing. Unless you want to get rid of the free market and introduce socialised systems like Norway and Venezuela.... Maybe then your gov. could keep gas prices down.

Actually, Trump's policies had no problem keeping the gas prices down, so that disproves your theory right there. No socialism needed.

lost in melb.
11-11-2021, 10:21 AM
Actually, Trump's policies had no problem keeping the gas prices down, so that disproves your theory right there. No socialism needed.

Do you think Trump could stop the gas companies from charging such high prices now? How would he do it?

Teh One Who Knocks
11-11-2021, 11:39 AM
Do you think Trump could stop the gas companies from charging such high prices now? How would he do it?

Stop closing down pipeline construction and stop putting so many restrictions on drilling, which is exactly what the Biden administration keeps doing and causing prices to spike across the board with all petroleum based products. Ask a grandmother on a fixed income in northern Wisconsin later this winter and see what how she feels about paying 3 to 4 times as much to pay just to heat her home and ask her if she would be in favor of Trump's energy policies or Biden's energy policies.

Pony
11-11-2021, 11:47 AM
Do you think Trump could stop the gas companies from charging such high prices now? How would he do it?

Not proposing policies geared toward dismantling and eliminating the oil and coal industries might be a good start.

lost in melb.
11-11-2021, 12:03 PM
Not proposing policies geared toward dismantling and eliminating the oil and coal industries might be a good start.

Do you mean pausing new oil and gas leases on federal land and cutting fossil fuel subsidies? [The general gist of bidens policy to my understanding]

To my mind that is, moreso, forcing the fossil fuel industry to compete with the green energy industry than pulling the rug?

Now in fairness, the green energy industry is subsidized. But on the other hand, American petroleum products are in such demand of overseas that they're making a killing (at the expense of the domestic market).

Pony
11-11-2021, 12:29 PM
Do you mean pausing new oil and gas leases on federal land and cutting fossil fuel subsidies? [The general gist of bidens policy to my understanding]

To my mind that is, moreso, forcing the fossil fuel industry to compete with the green energy industry than pulling the rug?

Now in fairness, the green energy industry is subsidized. But on the other hand, American petroleum products are in such demand of overseas that they're making a killing (at the expense of the domestic market).

I'm referring more to the general dogma of the whole party. They think the whole industry is evil and must be REPLACED with alternate energy. Their proposed policies and statements reflect that.

I'm all good with protecting the planet, cleaning up the environment if they were pushing a sustainable agenda that wouldn't bankrupt this country. The fact is, we're not there yet. The only thing close would be nuclear power plants. Purposely restricting the sources of energy the WORLD was built on just to drive up prices so solar and wind are more competitive is NOT the way.

Policies that restrict the US and other 1st world countries while permitting others like Chine to INCREASE its pollution is nothing but cutting our own throats.

deebakes
11-11-2021, 08:37 PM
i'm not thrilled filling up the tank these days and there is really no respite in sight