U.S. Army Is Officially Ditching The M4 Rifle For Something Much More Powerful

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Ryan Saavedra - The Daily Wire


https://i.imgur.com/4diWKcOl.jpg

The U.S. Army is officially ditching the M4/M4A1 carbine for a new service rifle that fires a much more powerful projectile that will be critical to the U.S. Army’s ability to outgun emerging near-peer competitors like China.

The U.S. Army announced last month a 10-year contract with Sig Sauer to manufacture two Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW) variations: the XM5 Rifle, which will replace the M4/M4A1 carbine; and the XM250 Automatic Rifle, which will replace the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon.

Both the M4/M4A1 carbine and the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon relied on firing the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge. The new NGSW rifles will fire a new 6.8x51mm cartridge that are more accurate and are more lethal against emerging threats than both the 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm ammunition.

“Both weapons provide significant capability improvements in accuracy, range and overall lethality,” the U.S. Army said in a statement. “They are lightweight, fire more lethal ammunition, mitigate recoil, provide improved barrel performance, and include integrated muzzle sound and flash reduction.”
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The NGSW rifles will also be paired with a game changing fire control system that will give U.S. soldiers a major advantage on the battle field.

“The XM5 and XM250 will be paired with the XM157 Fire Control, a ruggedized advanced fire control system that increases accuracy and lethality for the close combat force,” the statement continued. “The XM157 integrates a number of advanced technologies, including a variable magnification optic (1X8), backup etched reticle, laser rangefinder, ballistic calculator, atmospheric sensor suite, compass, Intra-Soldier Wireless, visible and infrared aiming lasers, and a digital display overlay. It is produced by Sheltered Wings Inc. d/b/a Vortex Optics, Barneveld, Wisconsin.”

The contract was awarded to Sig Sauer after several companies competed 27-months for it.

The new 6.8x51mm cartridge “uses a patented lightweight metallic case designed to handle pressures higher than conventional ammunition, resulting in dramatically increased velocity and on-target energy in lighter weapons,” the company said in a statement. “The U.S. Army’s procurement of the NGSW System marks the beginning of an era where combat weapons are coupled with a suppressor as standard issue equipment.”

U.S. Army Brigadier General Larry Q. Burris said that their goal to win on the modern battlefield is to achieve “a clear, decisive and sustainable overmatch against our near-peer adversaries.”

He said that the need to overmatch “near-peer adversaries” was more pressing today than at any other time in recent history as Russia is fighting a war in Europe and China is increasingly becoming aggressive throughout the Pacific.

[lost in melb.]

When can we test one out? :-s

[KevinD]

When can we test one out? :-s

You don't have one already? Slacker.

[lost in melb.]

You don't have one already? Slacker.

I said "we" for a reason. I'm too scared to pick up one :pale:

[Pony]

Who's gonna take Lost to the range while he's in the States?

[DemonGeminiX]

Who's gonna take Lost to the range while he's in the States?

As much as I'd enjoy watching him curl up into a fetal ball on the ground from all the gunfire going off around us, I have to decline. I don't wanna be blamed for his severe PTSD.

[Godfather]

Interesting. Wonder if NATO will adopt 6.8mm as a common cartridge then?

[lost in melb.]

As much as I'd enjoy watching him curl up into a fetal ball on the ground from all the gunfire going off around us, I have to decline. I don't wanna be blamed for his severe PTSD.

If you can get your hands on anything close to a military grade rifle, I'll take the red pill there and then :hand:

[lost in melb.]

This is our standard issue:

https://www.army.gov.au/our-work/equipment-uniforms/equipment/small-arms/f88-austeyr-f88a2-ring-sight-and-f88a2-acog-rmr-and-gla#:~:text=F88SA2-,F88SA2,)%2C%20and%20night%20weapon%20sights.

Calibre - 5.56 millimetres
Weight - 4.8 kilograms (with loaded magazine F88SA2)
Length - 790 millimetres (F88SA2)
Barrel length - 508 millimetres (F88SA2)
Muzzle velocity - 930 metres per second
Feed - 30-round magazine
Effective range - 300 metres (1.5x)
Cyclic rate of fire - 680 to 850 rounds per minute

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdlaacWtvNf6S5oX39IqLfQTTQ8c2Jd 4EYig&usqp=CAU

[Pony]

https://i.imgur.com/mTioxr3.jpg

[DemonGeminiX]

If you can get your hands on anything close to a military grade rifle, I'll take the red pill there and then :hand:

It's relatively easy to get your hands on a military grade rifle in my state. All you have to do is pay the NFA tax stamp.

[KevinD]

Yup. Its fairly easy to do it legally. Personally i have no use for a military rifle. I shot plenty enough of them when I was active duty. There are far better solutions for hunting and home/self defense.

[DemonGeminiX]

This is our standard issue:

https://www.army.gov.au/our-work/equipment-uniforms/equipment/small-arms/f88-austeyr-f88a2-ring-sight-and-f88a2-acog-rmr-and-gla#:~:text=F88SA2-,F88SA2,)%2C%20and%20night%20weapon%20sights.

Calibre - 5.56 millimetres
Weight - 4.8 kilograms (with loaded magazine F88SA2)
Length - 790 millimetres (F88SA2)
Barrel length - 508 millimetres (F88SA2)
Muzzle velocity - 930 metres per second
Feed - 30-round magazine
Effective range - 300 metres (1.5x)
Cyclic rate of fire - 680 to 850 rounds per minute

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdlaacWtvNf6S5oX39IqLfQTTQ8c2Jd 4EYig&usqp=CAU

Those look like tavors. And one of my ARs are chambered in 5.56. It's not automatic, but there's probably a way to change that. If you're actually putting 850 rounds through that continuously per minute, then you better hope that barrel holds up, cause that shit's gonna heat up something fierce.

[lost in melb.]

Those look like tavors. And one of my ARs are chambered in 5.56. It's not automatic, but there's probably a way to change that. If you're actually putting 850 rounds through that continuously per minute, then you better hope that barrel holds up, cause that shit's gonna heat up something fierce.

I assume there's a bit of a breather when you change magazines.

Interestingly yours only has 20 rounds per magazine. Ours has 30. Quality not quantity, I guess.

[DemonGeminiX]

I assume there's a bit of a breather when you change magazines.

Interestingly yours only has 20 rounds per magazine. Ours has 30. Quality not quantity, I guess.

I don't know. I've seen people change magazines ridiculously fast. I can't do it, but I know people who can.

All my ar-15 mags are 30 rounds. 20 round mags are available and 40 round mags are available as well. I think there are 10 round magazines, but only people in states that have mag capacity restrictions use those. Nobody else wants them. There are no magazine capacity restrictions in GA.

My AR-10 mags are 20 and 25 rounds, but the 308 Winchester round is considerably larger than the 5.56, so the 308 round takes up more space.

I think there are 50-60 and 100 round ar-15 drums available, but there's a question to their reliability so I've never purchased any.

[lost in melb.]

I don't know. I've seen people change magazines ridiculously fast. I can't do it, but I know people who can.

All my ar-15 mags are 30 rounds. 20 round mags are available and 40 round mags are available as well. I think there are 10 round magazines, but only people in states that have mag capacity restrictions use those. Nobody else wants them. There are no magazine capacity restrictions in GA.

My AR-10 mags are 20 and 25 rounds, but the 308 Winchester round is considerably larger than the 5.56, so the 308 round takes up more space.

I think there are 50-60 and 100 round ar-15 drums available, but there's a question to their reliability so I've never purchased any.

That Winchester is my kind of gun. Something I'd actually use.

How many rounds per magazine?

[DemonGeminiX]

That Winchester is my kind of gun. Something I'd actually use.

How many rounds per magazine?


My AR-10 mags are 20 and 25 rounds, but the 308 Winchester round is considerably larger than the 5.56, so the 308 round takes up more space.

:-k

The 308 Winchester is the round/cartridge/bullet. The AR-10 is the gun. It's an AR that takes the 308 Winchester or 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds. Magpul produces magazines that take 10 rounds, 20 rounds and 25 rounds, and they also have a 50 round drum. Most of my magazines are 25 rounds although I do have a 20 round magazine, and I'm not quite sure if that's the first mag I bought for the rifle, or if I mistakenly bought it later, since I'm almost always buying magazines and ammo for my guns, especially when they're on sale.

What I was saying was the 308 Winchester/7.62x51 NATO round is larger than the AR-15s 5.56 NATO/223 round, so the magazine capacities for the AR-10 will be smaller than the AR-15 since the 308 round takes up more space.

If you're scared of the AR-15, you'll be absolutely terrified of the AR-10.

[Pony]

If you're scared of the AR-15, you'll be absolutely terrified of the AR-10.

10 is way lees than 15, so it must be less dangerous and scary.

[DemonGeminiX]

:doh:

[lost in melb.]

:-k

The 308 Winchester is the round/cartridge/bullet. The AR-10 is the gun. It's an AR that takes the 308 Winchester or 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds. Magpul produces magazines that take 10 rounds, 20 rounds and 25 rounds, and they also have a 50 round drum. Most of my magazines are 25 rounds although I do have a 20 round magazine, and I'm not quite sure if that's the first mag I bought for the rifle, or if I mistakenly bought it later, since I'm almost always buying magazines and ammo for my guns, especially when they're on sale.

What I was saying was the 308 Winchester/7.62x51 NATO round is larger than the AR-15s 5.56 NATO/223 round, so the magazine capacities for the AR-10 will be smaller than the AR-15 since the 308 round takes up more space.

If you're scared of the AR-15, you'll be absolutely terrified of the AR-10.

Got it. My grandfather had a 308 hunting rifle. So I guess that was referring to the calibre when they said 'taking the 308 out". I'm comfortable with that and the pow pow pow sound. In West Virginia what I hate to hear is a quick spray of bullets in the forest.

My understanding is that military weapons are full automatic and not available for the average folk, even in the US.

The only military weapons I have shot were in Vietnam, recently. Military tourism. Lol. Can't remember what it was but definitely not an AK-47. Much louder and I wore ear protection :)

[lost in melb.]

10 is way lees than 15, so it must be less dangerous and scary.

Smaller guage = larger bullet :hand:

[Pony]

My understanding is that military weapons are full automatic and not available for the average folk, even in the US.



You can get them, but you need a special licence that's very expensive and relatively hard to get. So basically you're correct. The "average" person cannot possess a full auto.

[Muddy]

Aside from my AR, I buy all lever action rifles.. :mrgreen:

[DemonGeminiX]

Aside from my AR, I buy all lever action rifles.. :mrgreen:

All lever action? No bolt action? :-k

[Teh One Who Knocks]

My weapon of choice is a side-by side, single shot, semi-auto, over-under, lever action pistol :thumbsup:

[DemonGeminiX]

My weapon of choice is a side-by side, single shot, semi-auto, over-under, lever action pistol :thumbsup:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/UvwI1X7XkbXq0/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47ksxkznnz0g7iy4r6epxm6bpwy7nw hawhvf9x9act&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Muddy]

All lever action? No bolt action? :-k

No bolts as of yet.

[lost in melb.]

Aside from my AR, I buy all lever action rifles.. :mrgreen:

https://www.google.com/search?q=lever+action+rifle&oq=l&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i60l3j69i59l2j69i65.275 j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

:-k

[lost in melb.]

My weapon of choice is a side-by side, single shot, semi-auto, over-under, lever action pistol :thumbsup:

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALiCzsYQDP2wBIVYikISjgzotfXhx4Dgvg:16 52804774951&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=side-by+side,+single+shot,+semi-auto,+over-under,+lever+action+pistol&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&fir=gAGmN4vCoV0NqM%252Cvt4Tjd86BZx29M%252C_%253Bqd vFLPpY7KR7CM%252Cc-1ig-iBqKtQRM%252C_%253BUPg4nHS38T7s7M%252Cc-1ig-iBqKtQRM%252C_%253BC3Uf_i3sJ5sf_M%252COeGrm5O2Wg5a wM%252C_%253BlXSRhqVVZc3FaM%252COeGrm5O2Wg5awM%252 C_%253BkjvfNC09RxQmJM%252CaObDTn-4Dvzb7M%252C_%253BtEuIkYt4o1gV-M%252Cc-1ig-iBqKtQRM%252C_%253BNtmLK_gxAhRG1M%252COeGrm5O2Wg5a wM%252C_%253BBBAGCwqcBHMN9M%252CYhc8PT1VOVRbKM%252 C_%253BWH9RXoZyafTnpM%252Cc-1ig-iBqKtQRM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTrDz_sHLFuJziKLkyBG7BJoIgwaQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGqPnL-eb3AhXHSfEDHej1CRMQ7Al6BAgbEA0&biw=412&bih=674&dpr=3.5

:?

[Muddy]

https://www.google.com/search?q=lever+action+rifle&oq=l&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i60l3j69i59l2j69i65.275 j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

:-k

Yes. Thats it. Like they used to win the West.

[Muddy]

I have one of these in 30 30

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/all-weather-lever-action-side-gate/

[Muddy]

One of these as well.. Octagon barrel and all.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/henry-small-game-carbine-rifle/

[lost in melb.]

Fantastic! I thought you were goofing around.

[lost in melb.]

I have one of these in 30 30

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/all-weather-lever-action-side-gate/

In action...
https://youtu.be/fWe7Yaq7_3w


Is your gun a recent purchase? I think it's only been out for a year.

[Muddy]

In action...
https://youtu.be/fWe7Yaq7_3w


Is your gun a recent purchase? I think it's only been out for a year.

probably within a year.. never been shot !

[lost in melb.]

probably within a year.. never been shot !

Do I need to burst into your bedroom at 3 am, or something? :tapfoot:

[Muddy]

Do I need to burst into your bedroom at 3 am, or something? :tapfoot:

I'd use the Louisville slugger for that !

[Pony]

I'd use the Louisville slugger for that !

Less drywall repair and cleanup that way.