Uvalde, Texas school shooting: 14 students, one teacher killed, suspected shooter dead, Gov. Abbott says

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Greg Norman and Louis Casiano - FOX News


A shooting at a Texas elementary school killed 14 children and one teacher Tuesday, Gov. Greg Abbott said.

Abbott identified the suspect as Salvador Ramas, a Uvalde resident, who is also dead.

The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that the shooter – who ran to Robb Elementary School – had become barricaded inside. Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that two people were brought to the hospital deceased.

Fifteen children were taken to the facility via ambulance or bus for treatment, a hospital spokesman told Fox News.

"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site," the school posted on Facebook shortly after shots rang out. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus."

No information on the suspected shooter or the victim was released. The school is located 80 miles west of San Antonio.

University Health in San Antonio said it received two patients – a child and a 66-year-old woman who is in critical condition. The condition of the child was not released. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has been briefed on the shooting.

The agency is also coordinating with local and state authorities.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District first reported the school lockdown at 11:43 a.m. local time.

"Please know at this time all campuses are under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area. The students and staff are safe in the buildings," the district had said in a message to parents.

The district asked parents not to pick up their children and that students needed to be accounted for before being released. Parents were notified to pick up their children around 2 p.m.

All district and campus activities, including after-school programs and events have been canceled. Parents are being asked to pick up their children at their regular dismissal times at their school campus. School bus transportation has also been canceled.

Police officers will escort students to the parent vehicles.

[deebakes]

this is so fucking sad and becoming way too common

[lost in melb.]

A hand gun.

No way to prevent this one. Just sad.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The death toll is up to 18 kids and 3 adults.

[DemonGeminiX]

Jesus. :rip: little ones.

[DemonGeminiX]

A hand gun.

No way to prevent this one. Just sad.

The type of gun has nothing to do with it. You are not helping when you focus on the tool used to commit the crime. This shooter was obviously sick and needed help, help which he did not get. We have an epidemic of mental health issues in this country that go unchecked and nobody wants to talk about it. Everybody wants to use these tragedies to push their fucking agendas and it is disgusting. It is not helping. We are not discussing how to keep our children safe. If our elected politicians had kids in a school, that school would be locked down tighter than a virgin's twat while wearing a chastity belt. Why can't every school be like that? Why aren't people asking these questions?

And Jesus Christ! Biden's on the fucking tv ranting about the gun lobby. That fucking soulless prick.

[lost in melb.]

The type of gun has nothing to do with it. You are not helping when you focus on the tool used to commit the crime. This shooter was obviously sick and needed help, help which he did not get. We have an epidemic of mental health issues in this country that go unchecked and nobody wants to talk about it. Everybody wants to use these tragedies to push their fucking agendas and it is disgusting. It is not helping. We are not discussing how to keep our children safe. If our elected politicians had kids in a school, that school would be locked down tighter than a virgin's twat while wearing a chastity belt. Why can't every school be like that? Why aren't people asking these questions?

And Jesus Christ! Biden's on the fucking tv ranting about the gun lobby. That fucking soulless prick.

The type of gun is relevant to my point. Obviously vanilla handgun restrictions are not going to be on any serious agenda.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Ashlyn Messier | Fox News


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Authorities identified Salvador Ramos as the shooter who opened fire in Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday. The 18-year-old shot and killed at least 19 students and two teachers, Fox News confirmed.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott identified Ramos as the shooter and said the Uvalde local entered the school grounds and proceeded to open fire. Abbott also said the shooter is dead and is believed to have acted alone.

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that during the shooting, Ramos became barricaded inside the elementary school. An agent with the Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC), is believed to have shot and killed the suspected gunman. Two officers were shot and wounded on scene but were expected to survive.

Ramos allegedly posted disturbing images online before the shooting, and apparently messaged a woman about his plans before he carried out the deadly attack.

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An Instagram account allegedly connected to Ramos featured disturbing photos, including one showing a high-capacity magazine. The Instagram account has since been taken down.

The same account allegedly sent alarming messages to a woman before the deadly attack. The first message, sent on May 12, asked, "You gonna repost my gun pics?" The woman was tagged in photos showing guns.

The woman continued to message the account allegedly connected to Ramos even though she said she did not know him.

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In one message, she described the exchange as "scary." She then continued, "I barely know you and u tag me in a picture with some guns."

The account sent a final message to the woman on Tuesday morning: "Ima air out."

Following the attack, the woman posted that she did not know the alleged shooter and that she does not live in Texas. She said she only corresponded with the account because she was afraid. She then expressed sympathy for the victims and their families.

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Tuesday's shooting marked the deadliest shooting at an elementary school since Sandy Hook in 2012, where then 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people at the Newtown, Connecticut school. 20 of the victims were children aged 6 and 7.

It also occurred 10 days after a mass shooting at a Tops supermarket in Buffalo, New York, claimed 10 lives.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Ryan Saavedra - The Daily Wire


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New disturbing details emerged late on Tuesday evening about the 18-year-old male who shot up an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, earlier in the day.

The suspect was quickly killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent who reportedly heard the shots and rushed into the building, but not before the suspect shot dozens of people, including at least 19 children who ultimately succumbed to their injuries.

A report in The Washington Post about the suspect, whom The Daily Wire is not naming due to company policy about not giving notoriety to mass killers, painted a familiar portrait of a violent individual who appears to have previous encounters with law enforcement officials.

The Washington Post, which reported that the mass murderer was bullied for wearing black eyeliner and having a lisp according to family and friends, reported that those closest to the suspect said that he had “lashed out violently against peers and strangers recently and over the years.”

The suspect, a Latino male, reportedly cut up his own face with a knife because he claimed that it was “fun,” according to one of the suspect’s former friends.

The friend indicated that the suspect drove around with another friend at night on multiple occasions and shot at random people with a BB gun.

One of his female classmates said that he posted a video to Instagram a couple of months ago “where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b**** and say she wanted to kick him out. He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”

“As he grew older, problems at home became more acute and more apparent to neighbors,” The report said. “A neighbor described seeing police at the house and witnessing blowups between [the suspect] and his mother.”

The female classmate said that she could recall at least five times that the suspect had “fistfights with peers in middle school and junior high.”

The suspect had chaotic relationships, including one friendship that quickly ended because he started talking about the friend killing people as a Marine.

Democrats immediately seized on the tragedy as many called for new gun control laws, while other Democrats used it as a cudgel to attack Republicans.

The shooting happened in the city of Uvalde, which is approximately 85 miles west of San Antonio and has a population of roughly 16,000 people.

“Texans across the state are grieving for the victims of this senseless crime and for the community of Uvalde,” Texas Governor Greg Abbott said. “Cecilia and I mourn this horrific loss and we urge all Texans to come together to show our unwavering support to all who are suffering.”

“We thank the courageous first responders who worked to finally secure Robb Elementary School,” he continued. “I have instructed the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas Rangers to work with local law enforcement to fully investigate this crime. The Texas Division of Emergency Management is charged with providing local officials all resources necessary to respond to this tragedy as the State of Texas works to ensure the community has what it needs to heal.”

[deebakes]

still heartbreaking that he chose to take out so many innocents, he could have stopped with just himself and we would all have been better off

[KevinD]

Local news report that he killed his grandmother in the morning before school, then ran from police, crashed his truck, then went into the elementary school while evading police. As always, hard to pin down any real timeline.

[deebakes]

fucking tragic :(

[PorkChopSandwiches]

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[deebakes]

that's a pretty short kilt

[Teh One Who Knocks]

that's a pretty short kilt

:rapeculture:

[RBP]

Oh my. A trans kid? Can't imagine why that's not being reported. Yowza.

[KevinD]

Better yet. Beto crashed a presser that Abbot was hosting. Started in on Abbott and the mayor of Uvalde (can't think of his name atm) basically called Beto a "sick son of a bitch"

Thank God for small town texans.

[DemonGeminiX]

Better yet. Beto crashed a presser that Abbot was hosting. Started in on Abbott and the mayor of Uvalde (can't think of his name atm) basically called Beto a "sick son of a bitch"

Thank God for small town texans.

I saw that. If that isn't committing political suicide, then I don't know what is.

[KevinD]

Nah, the tards will still vote for him. I had a conversation recently about him with a woman. She couldn't come up with one valid reason to vote for him, and to top it off, actually thinks he's hispanic.

[deebakes]

cause beto rhymes with cheeto? :-k

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Oh my. A trans kid? Can't imagine why that's not being reported. Yowza.

Why does that matter?

[Godfather]

Oh my. A trans kid? Can't imagine why that's not being reported. Yowza.


Why does that matter?

It doesn't even sound like it's true? The photo of a trans person floating around isn't the same person it seems.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

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https://youtu.be/dBuFeSz9AnI

[Teh One Who Knocks]

There seem to be reports by the AP that the police didn't go into the school for approximately 40 minutes after the shooter went in. It took a specially trained Border Patrol agent to go in and neutralize the shooter and prevent more people from being killed. If this is true that the police were there and refused to make entry, that is disgusting and every officer there needs to lose there job and possibly face charges for dereliction of duty. Nobody wants to take the chance of being shot and killed, but that is the job they signed up for. It doesn't matter if you are a cop in Chicago, Illinois or Podunk, Texas, you know when you take that job that there may be a time where you may face the possibility of being shot and killed in the line of duty while protecting others.

[DemonGeminiX]

https://youtu.be/dBuFeSz9AnI

Keep towing that progressive line, Beau. Here's what should change. This fucknut was able to walk into a school, unchecked. The doors were unlocked, and he just walked right in. Why? There are schools across the USA that have doors that are locked from the outside, but are easily opened from the inside without having to unlock them in case of fire. I bet it's a discrepancy of income levels, but that should change. Also, some of these higher end schools have central entrances that have 2 sets of doors: the inner set are locked and controlled by the front office who have complete view of the entrance way via closed circuit camera and an intercom system. They can talk to somebody entering, saying "Hey, we see you, whaddaya want?" If they see somebody carrying a gun, they can lock the outer set of doors and trap the person like a rat, and call the police. We can put resource officers in the schools. I'm sure parents and community members wouldn't mind paying for these things to keep our children safe.

This fucknut had a history of violence since his middle school years. He's had run-ins with the law in the past. Neighbors have confirmed it. He was arrested several times. Why didn't the court mandate a psychiatric evaluation? It should be required. If it was, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Politicians, celebrities, and money are all protected by locked doors and armed security personnel. If our children are our greatest resource, like the politicians claim, then why aren't we protecting them in the same way or even better? Hell we could do it without needing to talk about infringing on our Constitutionally protected rights at all.


There seem to be reports by the AP that the police didn't go into the school for approximately 40 minutes after the shooter went in. It took a specially trained Border Patrol agent to go in and neutralize the shooter and prevent more people from being killed. If this is true that the police were there and refused to make entry, that is disgusting and every officer there needs to lose there job and possibly face charges for dereliction of duty. Nobody wants to take the chance of being shot and killed, but that is the job they signed up for. It doesn't matter if you are a cop in Chicago, Illinois or Podunk, Texas, you know when you take that job that there may be a time where you may face the possibility of being shot and killed in the line of duty while protecting others.

If this is true, then those fucking cowardly assholes deserve to be executed.

[lost in melb.]

There seem to be reports by the AP that the police didn't go into the school for approximately 40 minutes after the shooter went in. It took a specially trained Border Patrol agent to go in and neutralize the shooter and prevent more people from being killed. If this is true that the police were there and refused to make entry, that is disgusting and every officer there needs to lose there job and possibly face charges for dereliction of duty. Nobody wants to take the chance of being shot and killed, but that is the job they signed up for. It doesn't matter if you are a cop in Chicago, Illinois or Podunk, Texas, you know when you take that job that there may be a time where you may face the possibility of being shot and killed in the line of duty while protecting others.

They were assessing the situation

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[lost in melb.]

Keep towing that progressive line, Beau. Here's what should change. This fucknut was able to walk into a school, unchecked. The doors were unlocked, and he just walked right in. Why? There are schools across the USA that have doors that are locked from the outside, but are easily opened from the inside without having to unlock them in case of fire. I bet it's a discrepancy of income levels, but that should change. Also, some of these higher end schools have central entrances that have 2 sets of doors: the inner set are locked and controlled by the front office who have complete view of the entrance way via closed circuit camera and an intercom system. They can talk to somebody entering, saying "Hey, we see you, whaddaya want?" If they see somebody carrying a gun, they can lock the outer set of doors and trap the person like a rat, and call the police. We can put resource officers in the schools. I'm sure parents and community members wouldn't mind paying for these things to keep our children safe.

This fucknut had a history of violence since his middle school years. He's had run-ins with the law in the past. Neighbors have confirmed it. He was arrested several times. Why didn't the court mandate a psychiatric evaluation? It should be required. If it was, this probably wouldn't have happened
more safety checks is good


Politicians, celebrities, and money are all protected by locked doors and armed security personnel. If our children are our greatest resource, like the politicians claim, then why aren't we protecting them in the same way or even better? Hell we could do it without needing to talk about infringing on our Constitutionally protected rights at all.



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Something like this? :-k

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[DemonGeminiX]

Hey, man, it's been said for decades that the Simpsons and Family Guy were great predictors of the future.

But no. Not like that. :slap:

[RBP]

Why does that matter?

You think the US debate is about school shootings? How cute. If the shooter were trans, the whole debate goes sideways.

[RBP]

There seem to be reports by the AP that the police didn't go into the school for approximately 40 minutes after the shooter went in. It took a specially trained Border Patrol agent to go in and neutralize the shooter and prevent more people from being killed. If this is true that the police were there and refused to make entry, that is disgusting and every officer there needs to lose there job and possibly face charges for dereliction of duty. Nobody wants to take the chance of being shot and killed, but that is the job they signed up for. It doesn't matter if you are a cop in Chicago, Illinois or Podunk, Texas, you know when you take that job that there may be a time where you may face the possibility of being shot and killed in the line of duty while protecting others.

If they have orders to contain and wait for tactical team, they do. I have no information to say they weren't following orders. The old procedure was contain, which was done for years, perhaps until some years after Columbine ?, but we have no idea what they were ordered to do or not do. If they were supposed to confront and they pussied out, I agree with you. But I don't have any information that was the case.

[DemonGeminiX]

If they have orders to contain and wait for tactical team, they do. I have no information to say they weren't following orders. The old procedure was contain, which was done for years, perhaps until some years after Columbine ?, but we have no idea what they were ordered to do or not do. If they were supposed to confront and they pussied out, I agree with you. But I don't have any information that was the case.

I heard this earlier today: There were officers at the scene that had children of their own in the school. They went in, retrieved their own children, and took them out to save them... leaving everybody else inside. If this is true, then we all should be absolutely livid over this.

[lost in melb.]

You think the US debate is about school shootings? How cute. If the shooter were trans, the whole debate goes sideways.

It will be a distraction from the real issue!

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I heard this earlier today: There were officers at the scene that had children of their own in the school. They went in, retrieved their own children, and took them out to save them... leaving everybody else inside. If this is true, then we all should be absolutely livid over this.

Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting
By Tommy Christopher - Mediaite


Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.

In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it:


VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.

The clip was flagged by prominent Twitter users like Democratic comms operative Sawyer Hackett and New York Times Evan Hill, and went viral:
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[DemonGeminiX]

Schumer blocked a GOP sponsored school safety bill.

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Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting
By Tommy Christopher - Mediaite


Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.

In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it:


VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.

The clip was flagged by prominent Twitter users like Democratic comms operative Sawyer Hackett and New York Times Evan Hill, and went viral:
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Heresay. More distraction from the real issue.

[DemonGeminiX]

Heresay. More distraction from the real issue.

What's the real issue? Mental illness that could have been diagnosed and treated long before? Lack of security at schools? Police not knowing that part of their job is to put their lives on the line for others?

Oh, and by the way, it's not hearsay. This isn't a court of law and no one is saying under oath "I heard him say this". These are witnesses that are telling what they saw. That's not hearsay.

[DemonGeminiX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbIFTw3zlYY

[deebakes]

the more that comes out from this, the more it seems like the number should have been much lower for victims of this ass clown

[DemonGeminiX]

the more that comes out from this, the more it seems like the number should have been much lower for victims of this ass clown

No one should have died at all. This could have been avoided completely.

If I was a police officer today, I would be ashamed to call these Texas police officers my brothers.

[lost in melb.]

What's the real issue? Mental illness that could have been diagnosed and treated long before? Lack of security at schools? Police not knowing that part of their job is to put their lives on the line for others?

And lack of checklists for access to guns. Yes


Oh, and by the way, it's not hearsay. This isn't a court of law and no one is saying under oath "I heard him say this". These are witnesses that are telling what they saw. That's not hearsay.
Neither the woman interviewing or the man being interviewed themselves saw what they said happened. They heard it from somewhere else. Hearsay.

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[lost in melb.]

If they have orders to contain and wait for tactical team, they do. I have no information to say they weren't following orders. The old procedure was contain, which was done for years, perhaps until some years after Columbine ?, but we have no idea what they were ordered to do or not do. If they were supposed to confront and they pussied out, I agree with you. But I don't have any information that was the case.

Exactly. Normal police going in to take down a guy making a standoff, barricaded who knows where, wearing armour. If that was indeed the situation it's extremely dangerous, if not a suicide mission for those officers involved.

[perrhaps]

Exactly. Normal police going in to take down a guy making a standoff, barricaded who knows where, wearing armour. If that was indeed the situation it's extremely dangerous, if not a suicide mission for those officers involved.

Using that logic, if the school was on fire, should the police wait 40 minutes before a ladder truck arrived from 25 miles away? Seems to me that if they had enough energy to handcuff a woman trying to get in the school to check on her kid, they might have mustered just enough backbone to cautiously attempt to protect and serve.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

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[DemonGeminiX]

And lack of checklists for access to guns.

Aside from the fact that the kid had issues that could have and should have been dealt with earlier, there is no law or procedure that would have prevented this without violating our Constitutionally protected rights.

[DemonGeminiX]

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That's a pretty shitty thing to say. I have reasons for beating the shit out of you, but you don't see me doing it, lady.

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Using that logic, if the school was on fire, should the police wait 40 minutes before a ladder truck arrived from 25 miles away? Seems to me that if they had enough energy to handcuff a woman trying to get in the school to check on her kid, they might have mustered just enough backbone to cautiously attempt to protect and serve.

I wrote a reply that was somehow lost. The gist of the matter is police were shot out and retreated. Hard to judge from here the danger level, but I'd say they were sitting ducks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/

[DemonGeminiX]

I wrote a reply that was somehow lost. The gist of the matter is police were shot out and retreated. Hard to judge from here the danger level, but I'd say they were sitting ducks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/

Sitting ducks? From one deranged 18 year old kid who had absolutely no firearms training? Surely you must be joking. The police train for these situations.

[deebakes]

I wrote a reply that was somehow lost.

i noticed this a couple nights ago with posts from godfather that seemingly disappeared too, not sure if others have noticed it lately too

[DemonGeminiX]

i noticed this a couple nights ago with posts from godfather that seemingly disappeared too, not sure if others have noticed it lately too

Lance, Pony, and I can see when y'all willingly delete your own posts. Something is left behind that we can see. Unless we decided to physically remove the post, which leaves no trace behind rather than what we could see with the "soft delete", then I would be able to see if Pony or Lance soft deleted a post.

Godfather soft deleted a post himself from the first page because he didn't want to get into a fight. He and I talked about it in private, and I totally respect his decision. Maybe that makes him smarter than all of us put together. Anyway, Dee you usually come on at night and you probably saw godfather's original post on the first page that he decided to delete himself. But it was up there for a little while before he actually decided to delete it.

Typically, I don't physically remove posts that leave no trace, except for my own. If I'm deleting somebody else's post, which I rarely do unless it's a spammer, I want something left behind that Lance and Pony can view so they can tell me whether they think that I was right in my judgement or if I was way off base... and they absolutely will tell me when I'm way off base. They won't pull any punches with me, and that's exactly the way I want it. I want to know if I'm going too far as a mod. I want those checks and balances there.

I looked through the entire thread here and I'm not seeing anything that you posted soft deleted, lost in melb. Did you hit the wrong button? Was it actually posted? I've tired-posted stuff that actually didn't post because I hit the cancel button instead by mistake. It happens to the best of us, man.

[Pony]

It's an extremely rare occasion that I delete a post from a member, it's ALWAYS when things have totally blown up here and I ALWAYS leave a note saying I deleted the post and why. I.e: FBD on his final days. We would never remove a post just because we disagree with an opinion.

The only time I've seen posts mysteriously disappear is when there is a database corruption and the forum is acting glitchy the host will reset us back to last known stable date.

[RBP]

Using that logic, if the school was on fire, should the police wait 40 minutes before a ladder truck arrived from 25 miles away? Seems to me that if they had enough energy to handcuff a woman trying to get in the school to check on her kid, they might have mustered just enough backbone to cautiously attempt to protect and serve.

Totally not my point. I am just really uneasy about the "scared cops" narrative. I think it's becoming clear that the local Police Chief changed the protocol in error. That is a failure of leadership and a huge failure, but that doesn't make the individual officers cowards. The BPD officer that attacked as they all should have done basically ignored the standing order. He had no authorized jurisdiction to enter and confront the gunman. Thank god he did, albeit too late, because the chain of command failed these kids.

[RBP]

I wrote a reply that was somehow lost. The gist of the matter is police were shot out and retreated. Hard to judge from here the danger level, but I'd say they were sitting ducks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/

I am currently of the opinion that the police chief changed the protocol to containment. Huge fucking error.

[deebakes]

Lance, Pony, and I can see when y'all willingly delete your own posts. Something is left behind that we can see. Unless we decided to physically remove the post, which leaves no trace behind rather than what we could see with the "soft delete", then I would be able to see if Pony or Lance soft deleted a post.

Godfather soft deleted a post himself from the first page because he didn't want to get into a fight. He and I talked about it in private, and I totally respect his decision. Maybe that makes him smarter than all of us put together. Anyway, Dee you usually come on at night and you probably saw godfather's original post on the first page that he decided to delete himself. But it was up there for a little while before he actually decided to delete it.

no worries, i was thinking it was maybe more a forum technical issue, not a censoring one. just had noticed it in the last couple days and didn't know the full story, didn't remember if it was in here or somewhere else, almost thought it was the nhl thread tbh

[deebakes]

The only time I've seen posts mysteriously disappear is when there is a database corruption and the forum is acting glitchy the host will reset us back to last known stable date.

thanks for the clarification. again, i didn't think anything funny other than maybe a couple posts going away that i didn't think were inflammatory or inappropriate at all so not an assumption of a censoring thing but a technical hiccup and didn't think anything of it until lost thought he had posted something, it's all good

[DemonGeminiX]

Totally not my point. I am just really uneasy about the "scared cops" narrative. I think it's becoming clear that the local Police Chief changed the protocol in error. That is a failure of leadership and a huge failure, but that doesn't make the individual officers cowards. The BPD officer that attacked as they all should have done basically ignored the standing order. He had no authorized jurisdiction to enter and confront the gunman. Thank god he did, albeit too late, because the chain of command failed these kids.

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Regardless of what policy the COC implemented or ordered, there are times when it is absolutely necessary to disobey orders for the greater good. The police officers on the scene knew what was happening. They had a moral duty to act to neutralize the threat and save as many lives as possible, and they didn't. They let those children die. Given the current official reported chain of events, they could have saved them all. All of them. As a familial descendant of police officers that served in Philadelphia during the 60s and the 70s (remember how bad it was back then?), and it breaks my heart to say this, but I say these police officers were cowards, they should be stripped of their badges and brought up on charges. You can do the same for the entire COC that held them back as a matter of policy.

Again, I'm sorry. I don't want to fight, but I feel really strongly about this.

[RBP]

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Regardless of what policy the COC implemented or ordered, there are times when it is absolutely necessary to disobey orders for the greater good. The police officers on the scene knew what was happening. They had a moral duty to act to neutralize the threat and save as many lives as possible, and they didn't. They let those children die. Given the current official reported chain of events, they could have saved them all. All of them. As a familial descendant of police officers that served in Philadelphia during the 60s and the 70s (remember how bad it was back then?), and it breaks my heart to say this, but I say these police officers were cowards, they should be stripped of their badges and brought up on charges. You can do the same for the entire COC that held them back as a matter of policy.

Again, I'm sorry. I don't want to fight, but I feel really strongly about this.

That's a completely valid perspective. I am split on my feelings and am of both minds.

[Pony]

thanks for the clarification. again, i didn't think anything funny other than maybe a couple posts going away that i didn't think were inflammatory or inappropriate at all so not an assumption of a censoring thing but a technical hiccup and didn't think anything of it until lost thought he had posted something, it's all good

It's all good, didn't think it was an accusation, just wanted to be clear.

[deebakes]

It's all good, didn't think it was an accusation, just wanted to be clear.

:gimme5:

[perrhaps]

If the reports that some of the police officers actually went into the building solely to save their own kids are true, then it seems as though they possessed what I'll charitably describe as "selective intestinal fortitude" in ignoring the COC.

Should be an interesting town meeting coming up.

[lost in melb.]

Lance, Pony, and I can see when y'all willingly delete your own posts. Something is left behind that we can see. Unless we decided to physically remove the post, which leaves no trace behind rather than what we could see with the "soft delete", then I would be able to see if Pony or Lance soft deleted a post.

Godfather soft deleted a post himself from the first page because he didn't want to get into a fight. He and I talked about it in private, and I totally respect his decision. Maybe that makes him smarter than all of us put together. Anyway, Dee you usually come on at night and you probably saw godfather's original post on the first page that he decided to delete himself. But it was up there for a little while before he actually decided to delete it.

Typically, I don't physically remove posts that leave no trace, except for my own. If I'm deleting somebody else's post, which I rarely do unless it's a spammer, I want something left behind that Lance and Pony can view so they can tell me whether they think that I was right in my judgement or if I was way off base... and they absolutely will tell me when I'm way off base. They won't pull any punches with me, and that's exactly the way I want it. I want to know if I'm going too far as a mod. I want those checks and balances there.

I looked through the entire thread here and I'm not seeing anything that you posted soft deleted, lost in melb. Did you hit the wrong button? Was it actually posted? I've tired-posted stuff that actually didn't post because I hit the cancel button instead by mistake. It happens to the best of us, man.


It's an extremely rare occasion that I delete a post from a member, it's ALWAYS when things have totally blown up here and I ALWAYS leave a note saying I deleted the post and why. I.e: FBD on his final days. We would never remove a post just because we disagree with an opinion.

The only time I've seen posts mysteriously disappear is when there is a database corruption and the forum is acting glitchy the host will reset us back to last known stable date.

Nah, l didn't think for a second anyone deleted it. Sometimes I'll make a quick post then pop my phone on aeroplane mode. It probably didn't go through.

[lost in melb.]

If the reports that some of the police officers actually went into the building solely to save their own kids are true, then it seems as though they possessed what I'll charitably describe as "selective intestinal fortitude" in ignoring the COC.

Should be an interesting town meeting coming up.

That we agree on

[DemonGeminiX]

Nah, l didn't think for a second anyone deleted it. Sometimes I'll make a quick post then pop my phone on aeroplane mode. It probably didn't go through.

Do you remember what you were going to post? Can you retype it?

I promise I'll argue with you some more if you do. :D

[deebakes]

:lol: should call it 'debate' instead

[lost in melb.]

Do you remember what you were going to post? Can you retype it?

I promise I'll argue with you some more if you do. :D

:backaway:

[perrhaps]

I mailed the Uvalde PD a Dunkin Donuts gift card today, along with a note expressing my thoughts about them.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

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Wow, the NY Post is trash

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting
ABC News


The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

A spokesman for Texas DPS, which is running the state's investigations, declined to comment.

The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.

According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.

The attack, one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history, left 19 children and two adults dead.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Ryan Saavedra - The Daily Wire


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A highly disturbing video has emerged showing the man who shot up a Texas Elementary School last week holding up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.

The video shows the 18-year-old Latino shooter who murdered 19 children smiling while holding up the bag, according to video footage obtained by the New York Post, which was so graphic that the publication had to blur out the bag.

The Daily Wire is not showing the video or using the attacker’s name due to company policy about not giving those responsible for mass casualty events the notoriety that they crave.

The attacker “is seen smiling in the undated footage while sitting in the passenger seat of a pal’s car — holding up a clear plastic bag with at least two bloodied cats visible inside,” the New York Post reported. “The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.”

David Trevino Jr., who is related to the shooter’s grandmother by marriage, told the New York Post that the attacker was known for harming animals.

“The shooter was known for hurting cats,” he said. “He liked hurting animals. I’m told he killed the cats and carried around the bag of bodies for s–ts and giggles.”

“The video shows he was not right in the head,” he continued. “He’s not all there. The video raises all sorts of red flags.”

Hurting animals in the state of Texas is a felony, a charge that would have automatically barred the attacker from being able to purchase the guns that he used during the tragedy.

“He would go to the park and try to pick on people and he loved hurting animals,” one of the attacker’s high school classmates said in an interview. “I remember there was one time we saw him beating a little dog senseless.”

A second classmate made similar claims, saying that the attacker “would hurt animals” and that he was “not a good person.”

The attacker “was a boy who was not bullied,” he said. “He would try to pick on people and fail and it would aggravate him.”

“A lot of people who knew him, we knew he wasn’t mentally healthy,” he added. “And a lot of people could agree that we probably should’ve said something.”

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:dumbfounded:

[deebakes]

don't fuck with cats

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Ryan Saavedra - The Daily Wire


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Law enforcement officials reportedly never tried to open the door at a Texas elementary school last month where a shooter murdered 19 children.

“Surveillance footage shows that police never tried to open a door to two classrooms at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde in the 77 minutes between the time a gunman entered the rooms and massacred 21 people and officers finally breached the door and killed him,” the San Antonio Express-News reported, noting that the information came from a law enforcement official who was involved in investigating law enforcement’s response to the tragedy. “Investigators believe the 18-year-old gunman who killed 19 children and two teachers at the school on May 24 could not have locked the door to the connected classrooms from the inside.”

The doors are reportedly designed so they can only be locked or unlocked from the outside, and police might have assumed that the door was locked. The report said that it is not known if the door to the classroom where the 18-year-old Hispanic male was holed up was even locked.

The source told the local newspaper that it didn’t even matter whether the door was locked because “officers had access the entire time to a ‘halligan’ — a crowbar-like tool that could have opened the door to the classrooms even if it was locked.”

The news comes as a report from The New York Times revealed that a law enforcement official with the city, not the school district, who was armed with an AR-15 style rifle had the opportunity to shoot the attacker before he entered the school but didn’t because he hesitated over fear that he might hit kids in the background.

“The chief deputy sheriff said that any attempt to shoot the moving gunman would have been difficult, and that the officer would undoubtedly have faced harsh criticism and possibly even a criminal investigation had he missed and hit a bystander in the distance, especially a child,” the report noted.

Uvalde CISD Police Chief Pete Arredondo arrived on scene without having a radio at 11:35 a.m. as at least two responding officers were already moving into the hallway outside the classroom door where the attacker was located. Arredondo used a cell phone to call the police department to ask for a radio, a rifle, and heavily-armed backup.

“The decision to establish a perimeter outside the classroom, a little over five minutes after the shooting began, shifted the police response from one in which every officer would try to confront the gunman as fast as possible to one where officers treated the gunman as barricaded and no longer killing,” The New York Times reported. “Instead of storming the classroom, a decision was made to deploy a negotiator and to muster a more heavily armed and shielded tactical entry force.”

Bill Francis, a former FBI agent who was a senior leader on the bureau’s hostage rescue team for 17 years, told the Times that officials “made a poor decision defining that as a hostage-barricade situation” because “the longer you delay in finding and eliminating that threat, the longer he has to continue to kill other victims.”

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Amanda Prestigiacomo - The Daily Wire


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The head of the Texas Department of Public Safety on Tuesday called the police response to the Uvalde school shooting an “abject failure,” adding that the shooter could have been apprehended within three minutes of entering Robb Elementary School as officers waited for “a key that was not needed.”

An 18-year-old male, who will not be named per Daily Wire policy, killed 19 students and two teachers at the elementary school on May 24.

“There’s compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre,” said Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

“Three minutes after the subject entered the West building, there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize the subject,” McCraw continued. “The only thing stopping the hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children.”
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“One error; 14 minutes and eight seconds,” the director said of the young students waiting in a classroom for police to save them.

McCraw said officers were, in part, waiting for a “key that was not needed.”

“I have great reasons to believe it was never secured,” he testified. “How about trying the door and seeing if it’s locked?”

“Obviously, not enough training was done in this situation, plain and simple. Because terrible decisions were made by the on-site commander,” McCraw blasted.

The response to the tragedy has been heavily scrutinized. One mother claimed she was briefly handcuffed by U.S. Marshals before she ran into the school herself to save her two children.

“The police were doing nothing,” mother Angeli Rose Gomez accused, according to The Wall Street Journal. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”

Gomez said “she was one of numerous parents waiting outside the school who began encouraging— first politely, and then with more urgency — police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner,” the Journal report outlined. “After a few minutes, she said, U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.”

Desperate to reach her children, the mother said she was able to convince local Uvalde officers whom she knew to get the marshals to un-cuff her.

“Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children,” the report detailed. “She sprinted out of the school with them.”

A spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service has denied to the Journal that any parents were put in handcuffs.
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[deebakes]

wtf? :x

[lost in melb.]

“Three minutes after the subject entered the West building, there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize the subject,” McCraw continued.


:no:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Every single person involved in this clusterfuck needs to be brought up on criminal charges.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Lawrence Richard | Fox News


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School administrators "did not adequately prepare" for a potential shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to a report released by the Texas House of Representatives Investigative Committee on the Robb Elementary School shooting.

In the 77-page report released on Sunday, investigators said school administrators adopted a "regrettable culture of noncompliance" with safety and security measures leading up to the shooting on May 24 at Robb Elementary School which left 19 children and two adults dead. This noncompliance "turned out to be fatal," the report said.

They also "tacitly condoned" unsafe practices by knowingly violating or allowing others to violate rules that required doors to be closed and locked.

The report stated: "The west door to the west building was supposed to be continuously locked. When the attacker approached on May 24, 2022, it was unlocked, and he was able to enter the building there."

"While the school had adopted security policies to lock exterior doors and internal classroom doors, there was a regrettable culture of noncompliance by school personnel who frequently propped doors open and deliberately circumvented locks," the report stated. "At a minimum, school administrators and school district police tacitly condoned this behavior as they were aware of these unsafe practices and did not treat them as serious infractions requiring immediate correction."

The school encouraged teachers and staff to leave doors unlocked or propped open to better assist teachers who forgot their keys, the report found.

"In fact, the school actually suggested circumventing the locks as a solution for the convenience of substitute teachers and others who lacked their own keys," it said.

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The report also revealed "multiple systemic failures," including not adequately preparing for the risk of a potential shooter.

"With hindsight, we can say that Robb Elementary did not adequately prepare for the risk of an armed intruder on campus. The school’s five-foot tall exterior fence was inadequate to meaningfully impede an intruder," the report stated.

In addition to scrutinizing the school, the report was critical of the 376 law enforcement officers who were amassed at the school at the time of the shooting. The law enforcement officers, including nearly 150 U.S. Border Patrol agents and 91 state police officials, waited outside the school for over an hour as the gunman continued to shoot and kill students and teachers inside.

The scathing report comes as a devastated Uvalde community continues to search for answers on how the shooting took place.

[deebakes]

oh ffs

[lost in melb.]

What's the bet most schools are similar.

[DemonGeminiX]

What's the bet most schools are similar.

If they are, then the people responsible for this behavior at each school should be arrested on reckless endangerment charges.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

If they are, then the people responsible for this behavior at each school should be arrested on reckless endangerment charges.

100%


The school encouraged teachers and staff to leave doors unlocked or propped open to better assist teachers who forgot their keys, the report found.

"In fact, the school actually suggested circumventing the locks as a solution for the convenience of substitute teachers and others who lacked their own keys," it said.

People need to name names of ANYONE that suggested any of this bullshit.

[DemonGeminiX]

I used to have a problem with locking my keys in my car or leaving them somewhere back when I was a 20 year old dumbass. I solved that problem with the cunning use of a lanyard, but of course, not being a mindless dumbass anymore helps too.

[deebakes]

i think it's the lanyard :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

i think it's the lanyard :lol:

:willie:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I used to have a problem with locking my keys in my car or leaving them somewhere back when I was a 20 year old dumbass. I solved that problem with the cunning use of a lanyard, but of course, not being a mindless dumbass anymore helps too.

Pretty sure most, if not all schools use the lanyard method. At my kid's school she had a lanyard with her ID in it and that's how she got in and out through locked doors.