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Teh One Who Knocks
06-03-2022, 02:55 PM
By Brooke Singman | Fox News


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President Biden said the Second Amendment is "not absolute" in a speech Thursday following a wave of mass shootings across the nation, pleading with to Congress to pass what he called "commonsense" gun control legislation, including reinstating an assault weapons ban, requiring background checks, and limiting magazine capacity.

The president, speaking from the Cross Hall of the White House, told Americans that the issue of restricting access to guns "is one of conscience and common sense."

"For so many of you at home, I want to be very clear – this is not about taking away anyone's guns," the president said. "It is not about vilifying gun owners. In fact, we believe we should be treating responsible gun owners as an example of how every gun owner should behave."

"I respect the culture, the tradition, the concerns of lawful gun owners," Biden continued. "At the same time, the Second Amendment, like all other rights, is not absolute."

Biden added: "This isn't about taking away anyone's rights. It's about protecting children. It's about protecting families. It's about protecting whole communities. It's about protecting our freedoms to go to school, to a grocery store, to a church without being shot and killed."

The president’s remarks come after a wave of mass shootings in recent weeks in Oklahoma, Texas and New York.

On Wednesday, a gunman killed four and then himself at the Natalie Medical Building at St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Last week, alleged gunman Salvador Ramos killed 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.

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And in May, officials say 18-year-old Payton Gendron allegedly opened fire at a Tops Friendly Market store in Buffalo, New York killing 10 people and wounding at least three others. Eleven of the victims were Black individuals, while the remaining two victims were White, authorities have said.

The president, pointing to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said guns are "the number one killer of children in the United States of America."

"The number one killer —more than car accidents, more than cancer," Biden said. "Over the last two decades, more school children have died from guns than on-duty police officers and active-duty military combined."

"Think about that," Biden said. "More kids than on-duty cops killed by guns, more kids than soldiers killed by guns."

"For God's sake, how much more carnage are we willing to accept? How many more innocent American lives must be taken before we say enough, enough," Biden continued.

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"I know that we can't prevent every tragedy, but here's what I believe we have to do," Biden said, laying out his proposal to Congress.

"We need to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. And if we can't ban assault weapons, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21; strengthen background checks; enact safe storage and red flag laws; repeal the immunity, that protect gun manufacturers from liability; address the mental health crisis, deepening the trauma of gun violence," the president said.

Biden called these proposals "rational, commonsense measures."

The president has been calling on Congress for months to take up gun control legislation that would require background checks for all gun sales, ban the sale and possession of unserialized firearms, ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines, and repeal gun manufacturers’ protection from liability.

Biden’s 2023 budget proposal called on Congress to deliver funding to implement his comprehensive strategy to reduce gun crime and make communities safer.

"This time, we have to take the time to do something," the president said. "This time, it's time for the Senate to do something, but, as we know, in order to get anything done in the Senate, we need a minimum of 10 Republican senators."

Biden said he supports the bipartisan efforts that include a "small group of Democrats and Republican senators trying to find a way."

"But my God, the fact is the majority of the Senate Republicans don't want any of these proposals even to be debated or come up for a vote," Biden said, slamming Republicans. "I find unconscionable. We can't fail the American people again."

The president said he has "been in this fight" of gun control "for a long time."

"I know how hard it is, but I'll never give up," Biden said. "And if Congress fails, I believe this time a majority of the American people won't give up either."

Pointing to the 2022 Midterm Elections, Biden said that he believes "the majority of you will act to turn your outrage into making this issue central to your vote."

"Enough, enough. enough," Biden said.

Biden's address comes as Congress is debating the "Protecting Our Kids Act," an expansive piece of gun control legislation that Democrats argue is common sense, while Republicans say it is unconstitutional.

The "Protecting Our Kids Act" Is a package of eight bills aimed at suppressing gun ownership.

The bills contain proposals to raise the minimum age for purchasing a semi-automatic weapon from 18 to 21, a ban on "high capacity magazines," a registry for bump stocks, and more.

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In a House committee meeting Thursday, Democrats railed against the NRA, Republicans, assault weapons and the Senate as they expressed outrage that the U.S. doesn't have tighter gun laws despite mass shootings in recent years.

"The NRA has too much of a grip on this Congress and on the Senate, it needs to stop," Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said as the House Judiciary Committee prepared the package of gun-related bills for a vote next week. "There's something gun-crazed about our country that we need to deal with."

The legislation will likely see a vote on the House floor next week, along with a bill on red flag laws.

Republicans, meanwhile, argued that Democrats are not taking into account mental health and other factors that cause shootings. "Any time we address gun violence, we should also address the state of affairs of our society, address crime and mental health," Rep. Tom Tiffany, R-Wis., said. "We must also address the family unit."

But House-passed gun bills will have a very difficult time making it through the Senate, where the 60-vote filibuster threshold gives Republicans a say on any legislation.

There, around a dozen senators from both parties are participating in talks about potential legislation that would be significantly less far-reaching than anything to come from the House. Among the issues on the table are federal legislation to encourage states to pass red flag laws and expansion of background checks.

Pony
06-03-2022, 03:13 PM
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
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DemonGeminiX
06-03-2022, 07:03 PM
If one amendment isn't absolute, then none of them are. Now let's go ask some Democrats if they believe that, and remind them what the 13th amendment says. If they recoil in horror at the implication, then ask them again if they believe the amendments aren't absolute and see what they say.

The amendments are absolute. They're the rights of the people and a stop sign for government. They are the "Thou Shalt Not"s for government. The bill of rights are the foundations of freedom. Anyone seeking to take them away are tyrants and should be dealt with accordingly. The first thing a tyrant does is disarm the people.

lost in melb.
06-03-2022, 08:52 PM
raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21; strengthen background checks; enact safe storage and red flag laws

Sounds like a start.

lost in melb.
06-03-2022, 08:54 PM
Wanna buy a nuke. Where can I buy one? :-k

KevinD
06-03-2022, 08:58 PM
Sounds like a start.

Why? You only have to be 18 to vote, join the military, etc. Ive never understood this concept that an 18yo is able to go to war and die, but not have other rights. Buying alcohol, cigarettes etc. Yes we know these things are bad for us, but come on man...

DemonGeminiX
06-03-2022, 09:05 PM
Wanna buy a nuke. Where can I buy one? :-k

The Russians. They're selling to everybody.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-03-2022, 09:41 PM
Sounds like a start.
Why? You only have to be 18 to vote, join the military, etc. Ive never understood this concept that an 18yo is able to go to war and die, but not have other rights. Buying alcohol, cigarettes etc. Yes we know these things are bad for us, but come on man...Exactly. If they are going to raise the age to buy a weapon, then they need to raise the age to vote and join the military. It's either you're an adult at 18 or you're an adult at 21, you can't pick and choose an arbitrary age for things you're against and a different age for things you're for. They're trying to claim that a 3 year old can decide their gender and the parents have no say in the matter, but you need to be 21 to buy a rifle or a sixer of beer or a pack of cigarettes.

:uhhuh:

DemonGeminiX
06-03-2022, 09:42 PM
Wanna buy a nuke. Where can I buy one? :-k

P.S. That argument's ridiculous.

Pony
06-03-2022, 10:30 PM
Exactly. If they are going to raise the age to buy a weapon, then they need to raise the age to vote and join the military. It's either you're an adult at 18 or you're an adult at 21, you can't pick and choose an arbitrary age for things you're against and a different age for things you're for. They're trying to claim that a 3 year old can decide their gender and the parents have no say in the matter, but you need to be 21 to buy a rifle or a sixer of beer or a pack of cigarettes.

:uhhuh:

Considering how irresponsible most 18-20 year olds are these day, I'd be ok with this if it meant no other gun bans or restrictions. Also considering the overwhelming majority of young voters vote for the most socialist candidates, it's an added bonus to raise the age. Could easily have a military exemption though.

Pony
06-03-2022, 11:25 PM
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lost in melb.
06-04-2022, 11:24 AM
Why? You only have to be 18 to vote, join the military, etc. Ive never understood this concept that an 18yo is able to go to war and die, but not have other rights. Buying alcohol, cigarettes etc. Yes we know these things are bad for us, but come on man...
I was thinking of the drinking age comparison. Old enough to purchase ANY firearm, yet not considered old enough to handle alcohol responsibly? It does seem odd. What would you think about limiting the type of weapon an 18 yo can purchase with full access at 21?


Exactly. If they are going to raise the age to buy a weapon, then they need to raise the age to vote and join the military. It's either you're an adult at 18 or you're an adult at 21, you can't pick and choose an arbitrary age for things you're against and a different age for things you're for. They're trying to claim that a 3 year old can decide their gender and the parents have no say in the matter, but you need to be 21 to buy a rifle or a sixer of beer or a pack of cigarettes.

:uhhuh:


Considering how irresponsible most 18-20 year olds are these day, I'd be ok with this if it meant no other gun bans or restrictions. Also considering the overwhelming majority of young voters vote for the most socialist candidates, it's an added bonus to raise the age. Could easily have a military exemption though.

Sad but true, maturity and responsibility is decreasing over time :no:

DemonGeminiX
06-04-2022, 11:50 AM
I was thinking of the drinking age comparison. Old enough to purchase ANY firearm, yet not considered old enough to handle alcohol responsibly? It does seem odd. What would you think about limiting the type of weapon an 18 yo can purchase with full access at 21?

California already tried that. The 9th circuit court of appeals (notoriously left-leaning) struck it down as unconstitutional.

Pony
06-04-2022, 12:42 PM
I was thinking of the drinking age comparison. Old enough to purchase ANY firearm, yet not considered old enough to handle alcohol responsibly? It does seem odd. What would you think about limiting the type of weapon an 18 yo can purchase with full access at 21?



I was actually looking into concealed carry laws in the US yesterday as Ohio laws are changing in a couple weeks and noticed states already have laws on the books that minimum age to purchase, carry or get a CCL permit is already 21 for handguns. Rifles are 18 in most states. Exemptions for military personnel under the age of 21.


Yes. Under the Gun Control Act (GCA), shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 21 years of age or older. Licensees are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA regardless of state or local law. However, if state law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age for the purchase or disposition of firearms, the licensee must observe the higher age requirement.


Only six states — Florida, Washington, Vermont, California, Illinois and Hawaii — have increased the minimum purchase age for long guns to 21

KevinD
06-04-2022, 08:57 PM
I was thinking of the drinking age comparison. Old enough to purchase ANY firearm, yet not considered old enough to handle alcohol responsibly? It does seem odd. What would you think about limiting the type of weapon an 18 yo can purchase with full access at 21?


Honestly, I depends upon how you classify the "type" of gun.

Pistol? Revolver or semi auto?
Shotgun? Pump or semi auto?
Rifle? Lever action or semi auto?

What about the various single shot weapons?

What separates any semi auto rifle from an "assault rifle"?


Or is it just more "orange man" bad, "black rifle" bad?

Serious questions for you Lost. I'm not picking on you, more just trying to figure out your thoughts.

In answer though, other than the normal limits on gun ownership (limits on full auto, concealed carry, etc.) I don't think there's any net gain going from 18yo to 21yo.

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lost in melb.
06-04-2022, 09:23 PM
Honestly, I depends upon how you classify the "type" of gun.

Pistol? Revolver or semi auto?
Shotgun? Pump or semi auto?
Rifle? Lever action or semi auto?

What about the various single shot weapons?

What separates any semi auto rifle from an "assault rifle"?


Or is it just more "orange man" bad, "black rifle" bad?

Serious questions for you Lost. I'm not picking on you, more just trying to figure out your thoughts.

In answer though, other than the normal limits on gun ownership (limits on full auto, concealed carry, etc.) I don't think there's any net gain going from 18yo to 21yo.

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You're not going to like it.

No ownership of hand guns or semi-automatics/pump. But they can have a licence to use.

DemonGeminiX
06-04-2022, 09:34 PM
You're not going to like it.

No ownership of hand guns or semi-automatics/pump. But they can have a licence to use.

No offense, but you might want to just stay in Australia.

lost in melb.
06-04-2022, 09:49 PM
No offense, but you might want to just stay in Australia.

You seem to be picking a lot of fights, lately :-k

KevinD
06-04-2022, 11:44 PM
You're not going to like it.

No ownership of hand guns or semi-automatics/pump. But they can have a licence to use.

Fair enough. Obviously I don't agree, and that's ok.

Background on me and guns. I got my first bb gun a 6 or so. Bought it myself with chores money. Was given my first rifle (a .22 semi auto) at around 10yo. I wasn't really into shotguns or pistols, though when hunting or hiking I always carried ether a .22, .38, or .357 revolver as a sidearm. It wasn't until I was in the air force that I used a semi auto pistol as a sidearm. Barreta M9, and colt 10mm.
To this day, I'm still vastly more comfortable with a rifle of any type.
I have currently around 6 firearms at the house, with zero interest in carrying, concealed or open.

As I've said before, imho, guns are a tool. They're made to do one thing: kill. Luckily, i believe in our entire bill of rights, especially that pesky 10th one. Some folks collect guns, some are scared of them, some don't care. All that is fine. When someone tells me I can't have one, then we have a problem. Again, not you specifically Lost,just in general.

lost in melb.
06-06-2022, 03:52 AM
Fair enough. Obviously I don't agree, and that's ok.

Background on me and guns. I got my first bb gun a 6 or so. Bought it myself with chores money. Was given my first rifle (a .22 semi auto) at around 10yo. I wasn't really into shotguns or pistols, though when hunting or hiking I always carried ether a .22, .38, or .357 revolver as a sidearm. It wasn't until I was in the air force that I used a semi auto pistol as a sidearm. Barreta M9, and colt 10mm.
To this day, I'm still vastly more comfortable with a rifle of any type.
I have currently around 6 firearms at the house, with zero interest in carrying, concealed or open.

As I've said before, imho, guns are a tool. They're made to do one thing: kill. Luckily, i believe in our entire bill of rights, especially that pesky 10th one. Some folks collect guns, some are scared of them, some don't care. All that is fine. When someone tells me I can't have one, then we have a problem. Again, not you specifically Lost,just in general.

Funnily enough, I'm comfortable with you owning all them. Underage city folk, "jingoes" etc. not so much. Unfortunately you need to have one set of rules for everyone.