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Teh One Who Knocks
06-15-2022, 01:08 PM
JACOB SULLUM - Reason.com


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It is easy to understand the bipartisan appeal of a policy that promises to reduce gun violence by targeting dangerous individuals instead of imposing broad limits that affect millions of law-abiding Americans. So it's not surprising that the Senate gun control deal announced on Sunday includes federal grants aimed at encouraging states to pass and enforce "red flag" laws, which authorize courts to prohibit people from possessing firearms when they are deemed a threat to themselves or others.

However sensible that policy may seem, it suffers from two basic limitations that cannot be wished away by consensus-building rhetoric: Predicting violence is much harder than advocates of this approach are usually willing to admit, and trying to overcome that challenge by erring on the side of issuing red flag orders inevitably means that many innocent people will lose their Second Amendment rights, typically for a year and sometimes longer, even though they never would have used a gun to harm anyone.

The very concept of red flags assumes that experts can reliably distinguish between harmless oddballs and future murderers. But there is little basis for that assumption.

"The notion that we can identify mass killers before they act is, as yet, an epidemiologic fiction," psychiatrist Richard Friedman noted in a 2019 New York Times essay. "Experienced psychiatrists fare no better than a roll of the dice at predicting violence."

Even if certain "red flags" are common among mass shooters, almost none of the people who display those signs are bent on murderous violence. While "there may be pre-existing behavior markers that are specifiable," a 2012 Defense Department study noted, those markers "are of low specificity and thus carry the baggage of an unavoidable false alarm rate."

RAND Corporation researchers Rosanna Smart and Terry Schell made the same point in a 2021 essay. "Policies targeting individuals based on risk factors would result in an extremely high rate of false positives," they wrote. "Even the best available risk factors can identify only a subpopulation in which the risk of committing a mass shooting is on the order of one in a million."

In the face of all this uncertainty, it is vitally important that red flag laws include robust safeguards to minimize "false positives." But the 19 states that have already passed such laws typically have weak due process protections, which means people can be stripped of their constitutional rights based on little more than unvalidated allegations.

Temporary red flag orders, which are issued without a hearing and sometimes without evidence that a threat is imminent, can last for weeks. For final orders, which usually last a year and can be renewed, some states require nothing more than showing that the respondent is more likely than not to pose an unspecified level of risk—meaning that orders are issued even when the target is highly unlikely to hurt someone.

The red flag legislation that emerges from negotiations between Democrats and Republicans in the Senate could help rectify this situation by setting minimum standards for grant eligibility. The criteria should include prompt hearings, demanding standards of proof, a right to court-appointed counsel, and time limits on orders.

Senators should not copy the approach that House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D‒N.Y.) took in 2019, when he sponsored a bill that seemed to have been crafted so that every jurisdiction with a red flag law could qualify for grants. That would have lowered the bar to the level of the jurisdictions with the weakest due process protections.

The senators who are working on a red flag bill say they want states to "create and administer laws that help ensure deadly weapons are kept out of the hands of individuals whom a court has determined to be a significant danger to themselves or others, consistent with state and federal due process and constitutional protections." The details of their legislation will tell us whether they are serious about that last part.

PorkChopSandwiches
06-15-2022, 04:24 PM
There is no "tricky balance" they are bullshit and will immediately be abused

DemonGeminiX
06-15-2022, 05:42 PM
These are all the constitutional amendments that Red Flag laws violate:

2nd Amendment to the US Constitution

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

4th Amendment to the US Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5th Amendment to the US Constitution

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

6th Amendment to the US Constitution

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

14th Amendment to the US Constitution

Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Teh One Who Knocks
06-15-2022, 09:56 PM
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