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Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 02:55 PM
Tanya Chen - Business Insider


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In April of 2021, one of Kevin Yatsushiro's TikToks, which showed him changing out the switches in his keyboard, went viral.

It gained 3 million views with top comments saying it was the first longform TikTok they watched through to the very end.

Yatsushiro, 30, who is better known as @itskiwicvlt, a gaming and anime personality on the app, expected at least a modest financial windfall. But he only saw $12.50 paid through TikTok's Creator Fund for that video.

"When I saw such a low amount of money generated, it really made me feel less about myself," he told Insider. "It was a huge blow to my mental health ... it made me not want to create content anymore."

Several high-profile creators, including Hank Green and MrBeast, have publicly criticized TikTok for low payouts from its Creator Fund, through which it pledged in 2020 to pay out $1 billion.

But Yatsushiro, who has built an audience of over 586,000 followers on TikTok, took it a step further. Last year, he decided to pull out of the Creator Fund entirely. He also took a full-time job at a large corporation doing non-social-media work. Now, he only posts when he feels like it.

He's not the only one to reconsider his participation in the Creator Fund. Other TikTokers like Yutsushiro told Insider that they felt demoralized by their low payouts, with some saying they'd prefer to make no money from TikTok at all.

'You'll have people with millions of views on a video getting 20 to 30 bucks off of it'

Alicia Trautwein has nearly 93,000 TikTok followers, but she's been posting more to Instagram and even Pinterest these days.

"Pinterest and Instagram pay out more than TikTok," she said of their direct monetization programs, like Instagram's Reels Bonuses. "Right now, on Pinterest, I easily make $1,000 to $2,000 more [per month], and on Instagram I'd say it's $4,000 to $5,000 more [per month]."

"TikTok has never had a good Creator Fund," she said. "You'll have people with millions of views on a video getting 20 to 30 bucks off of it." Trautwein spends her time on TikTok for the community, she added.

The most Trautwein has made in a month from TikTok's fund was about $10 from a single video that gained 1.8 million views in October of 2020. Insider has reviewed documentation to verify this and other payouts cited in this story.

Nikki Apostolou, a body positivity TikToker with 145,000 followers, posts at least three videos a day. She's had a few viral hits that have garnered 2 to 3 million views each, but she doesn't feel her earnings value the work she puts in. In fact, she feels like she's burning out.

"Even with viral TikToks I still only receive $20 to $30 on an average month," Apostolou told Insider. "It mentally takes a toll ... It makes me question and doubt myself and it starts to make you feel like your self worth is that Creator Fund. I sometimes feel like a street performer with real talent entertaining for pennies."

She hasn't seriously considered quitting TikTok or pulling out of the Creator Fund because, as she put it, "every penny counts."

But others have. For instance, 26-year-old Yazid Sulliman (@YaziDoe), like Yatsushiro, told Insider he pulled out of the Creator Fund because he was not making enough from the program.

Creators want transparency and a more consistent pay rate from TikTok

Trautwein and Yatsushiro both said they'd flagged these concerns to their TikTok community managers, along with suggestions for how to make the Creator Fund a more competitive and secure program.

One main suggestion they had was for TikTok to standardize its rates, which would more closely tie their earnings to the value generated. Many creators pointed to YouTube as a good model for this. While YouTube payouts can fluctuate based on factors like where the audience views from, creators get 55% of the money paid by advertisers. TikTok payouts, in contrast, depend on a variety of unnamed factors and are also not directly tied to revenue the platform is making.

Currently, many TikTokers said the most profitable way for them to make money off their accounts was by taking brand deals. Creators can set their own rates based on their follower count, engagement, and reach, and be able to negotiate their pay with various brands.

"I hope that TikTok can become better aware of the overall mental health of their creators when it comes to monetization," Yatsushiro said of the Creator Fund. "We'd like to know how TikTok assigns us a monetary value per view and how they make that decision. Ultimately, if we knew how these decisions were made, maybe it could help us best decide how to cater our current content strategies to accommodate making more money and solidifying a career as a content creator."

When asked for comment, a TikTok spokesperson said in a statement that the company understood "how important it is that our creators are appreciated for their work and look to our creator community for valuable feedback to better serve their needs." The statement also pointed to the other ways creators can make money on the platform like its LIVE Subscription, Branded Mission, TikTok Pulse, and the Creator Portal.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 02:55 PM
"When I saw such a low amount of money generated, it really made me feel less about myself," he told Insider. "It was a huge blow to my mental health ... it made me not want to create content anymore."

:roll:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-21-2022, 03:08 PM
:wah:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 03:26 PM
How about these lazy fucks get a real job :rolleyes:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-21-2022, 03:35 PM
I mean, I'm all for making money with low effort

Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 04:43 PM
I mean, I'm all for making money with low effort

Stay home and collect unemployment and go on public assistance :dunno:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-21-2022, 05:02 PM
My lifestyle cant afford that

Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 06:13 PM
My lifestyle cant afford that

Democrats/liberals can make it work :dunno:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-21-2022, 06:26 PM
They live in their parents basements, low overhead

Teh One Who Knocks
07-21-2022, 07:00 PM
:lol:

Godfather
07-22-2022, 03:34 AM
TikTok is brutal for lots of reasons but I do think it's stupid business practice not to pay creators a fair share of what they pull. Creators are the product. TikTok revenue is projected to hit $12bn this year and the creator fund for 2021 was something like $200m which is a tough look.

It's easy to be reductive about what 'creators' do. You can also say "it's dumb that anyone makes $50 million to swing a baseball bat" or to "playing Batman in a movie", but ultimately if few talented/popular/cult personalities draw massive sales of merch/tickets/ad revenue, a business would be wise to make those people happy or someone else will. Look at the LIV tour in golf and what happens if someone cuts a better deal. Greed will be their downfall if they don't fix it I'd wager. Well that, or western governments will finally get smart and realize it's not okay for a Chinese app to be unapologetic in spying on us. :lol:

Free market, supply and demand, yadda yadda.

deebakes
07-23-2022, 03:51 PM
i am clearly not in their market pool, i really don't get it. i also think that professional sports people are overpaid if that's worth anything :lol:

Godfather
07-24-2022, 12:59 AM
i also think that professional sports people are overpaid if that's worth anything :lol:

Why's that?

I think most of the top leagues are about 50% owners, 50% to players at this point under CBA's. Given how few people are truly elite first line players in any sport, seems like they're getting what the market bears. The only alternative I can think of in a free market is more money in the pockets of the owners.

deebakes
07-24-2022, 01:50 AM
my only thought is that if you make it in the big leagues (maybe not so much hockey), that is like generational changing money for your family forever if you are wise. seems like it is blown out of proportion but what do i know?