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Teh One Who Knocks
08-02-2011, 01:22 PM
Adobe Edge is a new development tool for HTML5, an open format that's slowly replacing Adobe's own Flash. Why would the company cannibalize itself in this way?
By Peter Pachal - PC Magazine


Today Adobe announced Edge, a new tool for designing Web content in HTML5, which, from the facts, sounds like one of the most boring tech stories to start the news week. But there's a good part: HTML5 is widely viewed as a competitor to one of Adobe's main products, Flash, the standard that most Web video, dynamic sites, and games are based on. So by throwing more support behind HTML5, which is an open format and not owned by any company, Adobe's kind of acting semi-suicidal. Why would it do something like that?

Reality, mainly. The writing is on the wall for Flash. HTML5 is on the rise, and Adobe knows it needs to get on board the train or get left behind. While the Adobe people say Edge will supplement, rather than supplant, their Flash arsenal, they're kind of kidding themselves. Sure, Flash is still big, and developers will continue to work on it, but it's slowly being pushed aside.

Evidence: The HTTP Archive, which collects site data from over thousands of sites all over the Web, shows that Adobe Flash usage on the Internet's Top 100 websites has dropped from 38 to 34 percent between November 2010 and July 2011. Doing a Google search for "flash developer jobs" from the past 24 hours turns up 511,000 results; a year ago the same search produced 832,000 results. By the same token, searching for "HTML5 developer jobs" turns up 243,000 results today vs. 116,000 a year ago.

This was probably inevitable. Flash is in some ways fundamentally clunky—it needs a plug-in to work properly in your browser, and that plug-in needs continual updating (and that's on top of your usual browser updates). Building websites with Flash has historically been more costly and less reliable than other techniques, though Adobe has done much to address those factors in recent years.

Ultimately, though, this has more to do with Apple and its power struggle against Adobe with regards to Flash. The long and short of it, which is somewhat proved by Adobe Edge, is Apple won. Steve Jobs is a notorious opponent of Flash. Although it's (reluctantly) supported on Macs, it's nowhere to be found on iPhones, iPads, and iPod touches. Apple has declared Flash unfit for mobile, and whether or not that's true, Apple's massive influence in the space (and especially tablets) makes whatever Apple perceives a reality to a large extent.

Google Android was supposed to be a champion for Flash, but it hasn't turned out that way. Although demand for Android phones has been growing rapidly, it's unclear if their support for Flash—which didn't come until last summer—is making any difference. Tablets, with their larger screens and fast processors, are more suited to video, but to date not a single Android tablet has risen to genuinely challenge the iPad, and the manufacturers are now said to be pulling back and rethinking their strategies. If Flash support were the differentiator it was supposed to be, you'd think people would be snapping them up.

So Flash is getting marginalized and it looks like eventually what it does will be replaced with HTML5 or other open-source standards. The question for users is, will it make any functional differnce? After all, Flash has had years to evolve as developers experimented, created, and squeezed every last drop of ability from the software. There have also been comparisons between the two that haven't been very favorable... to HTML5.

It's a good thing, then, that Flash isn't going away. Even though its use is declining, it's still massively present in Web video (just try doing anything on Hulu.com without a Flash plug-in). There are advantages to the plug-in model, too: Adobe can roll out a Flash update across all platforms at once, whereas HTML5 support can vary from browser to browser. Not to mention Flash has tools for content owners to control and monetize their content, which hasn't yet emerged in HTML5.

So Flash isn't dying, but it is changing to make room for its open-source successors. Developers see Flash becoming a more specialized software package for a highly sophisticated user experience (think Intel's Museum of Me) while other standards take on more and more of the bulk of Web video and animation. With Edge, Adobe has wisely created the tools it needs to bring its cadre of Flash developers along for the ride. It's a refreshing—and arguably enlightened—position, and shows that not every format skirmish needs to become an all-out war.

Hal-9000
08-02-2011, 04:52 PM
I hate flash galleries....sometimes you can't save the pics and they always take time 'to expand' and in general, are pissy to work with :|

samarchepas
08-02-2011, 05:25 PM
Lets hope that this new technology is less buggy and safer...

Deepsepia
08-02-2011, 06:27 PM
Yeah, Flash is done.

Adobe had themselves a nice niche, but the niche became too important, and if Apple, Google AND Microsoft all line up against you . . . no, you're not going to win.

Objectively, HTML 5 makes more sense. Flash was always a solution for stuff that HTML should have been able to do, but couldn't.

samarchepas
08-03-2011, 01:47 AM
I wouldn't say "done" just yet though...making tools (that don't fuck up :lol:) working on HTML5 will take some time to get working (it was just announced recently so ya...lol) Better work on it now than wait that the "big guys" do it before them.

Jezter
08-03-2011, 08:12 AM
HTML5 will be assum when stuff will be made with it/for it. Flash will still be around, but hopefully more and more HTML5 based solutions will start popping up.

Acid Trip
08-09-2011, 09:20 PM
If you do a little web searching you'll see that Steve Jobs opted away from Flash because HTML5 has been in the works for some time now. It could be awhile before sites recode to HTML5 so Flash will remain king for now.

samarchepas
08-09-2011, 09:26 PM
Flash has been around for 14 years! So saying that they opted away from Flash because of HTML5...not really :lol:

Muddy
08-09-2011, 09:42 PM
According to Apple, it sure is ! :razz:

Acid Trip
08-10-2011, 04:01 PM
Flash has been around for 14 years! So saying that they opted away from Flash because of HTML5...not really :lol:


Steve Jobs had a town hall meeting and answered questions from Apple employees brave enough to ask tough questions. Concerning Flash there was nothing new. Jobs doubled down by basically saying HTML5 will kill Flash:

About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.

Simply put Jobs has always hated flash and when he kept iPhones from installing it he knew it wouldn't be necessary when 5 became the standard. I should have specified that he opted away from flash on the idevices.

Everything I said was correct.