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Teh One Who Knocks
08-03-2011, 03:04 PM
By Sascha Segan - PC Magazine


AT&T, Sprint, and US Cellular will be getting new BlackBerries soon, as RIM announced touch-screen and keyboard-packing smartphones running its BlackBerry 7 OS for the three U.S. carriers.

The BlackBerry Torch 9810 looks very similar to the existing AT&T Torch, but has many upgrades under the hood, including the new BlackBerry 7 OS. The Torch 9850/9860 for AT&T, Sprint, and US Cellular, meanwhile, is RIM's latest attempt at a touchscreen-only model after ditching the BlackBerry Storm moniker.

Of the two new devices, the 9850/9860 is fresher and more daring. RIM has tried to do full-touchscreen phones before, in Verizon Wireless's BlackBerry Storm and Storm2. But the original Storm was buggy, and the Storm2 was criticized for having a difficult user interface.

The new touch Torch (say that five times fast) has a 3.7-inch, 800-by-480 touch screen and a 5-megapixel camera on the back with 720p HD video recording. The processor is a 1.2-Ghz, single-core Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8655, and the phone has 768MB of RAM and 4GB of storage.

The touch Torch has a curved front which RIM calls the "waterfall." The company says it makes the screen appear bigger; it certainly prevents the device from looking boxy.

The big question around the touch Torch is whether the new BlackBerry 7 OS will provide a much better touch experience than consumers found on the Storm. Superficially, BlackBerry 7 looks a lot like BlackBerry 6—similar icons, the same app tray, and the traditional BlackBerry pop-up menus. But RIM has said that it includes many core features, such as hardware graphics acceleration, which will make the experience smoother and simpler.

The Torch 9810 looks so much like the existing Torch 9800 that AT&T needed to put out a PDF specifically pointing out the differences. Like the existing Torch, the Torch 9810 is a sliding smartphone with a touch screen and full keyboard.

The new Torch has a 1.2-Ghz processor, 8GB of memory, 768 MB RAM, 720p video recording, and support for AT&T's HSPA 14.4 network, all upgrades from the original model, AT&T says. The device's 5-megapixel still camera and 3.2-inch, 640-by-480 touch screen remain the same. The Torch 9810 will also run the BlackBerry 7 OS.

All the new devices will run on AT&T's HSPA 14.4 network, offering faster Internet speeds than previous 3G BlackBerries, AT&T said. The Sprint and US Cellular models will run on those carriers' 3G EVDO networks.

AT&T said the 9810 will come out in August and the 9860 will appear sometime before the end of the year. Also this year, AT&T will launch the BlackBerry Bold 9900, with which we had some hands-on time back in May. (See the slideshow below for more details.) That's a sped-up BlackBerry Bold, without a touch screen.

Sprint has not yet announced a release schedule for the Torch 9850.

Both models will also come to the Canadian carriers Rogers, Bell and Telus, RIM's blog says.

Arkady Renko
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
pah, I'm as happy as a pig in shit with my samsung galaxy, they can keep their fruit phones.

redred
08-03-2011, 03:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI

classic

Muddy
08-03-2011, 03:44 PM
So is a blackberry just a blackberry because thats the phones operating system?

PorkChopSandwiches
08-03-2011, 03:47 PM
yep, that and they are also garbage

redred
08-03-2011, 03:48 PM
BlackBerry OS is a proprietary mobile operating system, developed by Research In Motion for its BlackBerry line of smartphone handheld devices. The operating system provides multitasking and supports specialized input devices that have been adopted by RIM for use in its handhelds, particularly the trackwheel, trackball, and most recently, the trackpad and touchscreen.
The BlackBerry platform is perhaps best known for its native support for corporate email, through MIDP 1.0 and, more recently, a subset of MIDP 2.0, which allows complete wireless activation and synchronization with Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Domino, or Novell GroupWise email, calendar, tasks, notes, and contacts, when used with BlackBerry Enterprise Server. The operating system also supports WAP 1.2.
Updates to the operating system may be automatically available from wireless carriers that support the BlackBerry over the air software loading (OTASL) service.
Third-party developers can write software using the available BlackBerry API classes, although applications that make use of certain functionality must be digitally signed. As of 2011, many developers are using the BlackBerry platform to develop their applications. A June 2011 research indicates that approximately 45% of mobile developers were using the platform at the time of publication.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_OS

Teh One Who Knocks
08-03-2011, 03:49 PM
yep, that and they are also garbage

There's still quite a few people that are dedicated Crackberry users tho

redred
08-03-2011, 03:51 PM
godfather :tup:

Godfather
08-03-2011, 03:53 PM
‘The epitaph of RIM has been written far too early’

At an AT&T store in New York a few months ago, a high-performing sales clerk faced a rather unusual situation because of his success.

The salesperson had sold the most cellphones during the month of May at one of AT&T’s locations in midtown Manhattan. His reward was one of the newest gadgets around: a PlayBook tablet computer by Research in Motion Ltd. But his store didn’t have any of the devices in stock then, and it still doesn’t have any.

So he’s still waiting for his prize, but he doesn’t much care. To use the PlayBook, he knows he’ll need to buy a BlackBerry smart phone. And as a loyal user of Apple’s iPhone, he doesn’t see that happening. “I think I’ll just sell the thing when I get it,” he said. “Why do I want a BlackBerry? Everything I want to do, I can do better on the phone I already have. The little keyboards are nice, but that’s all.”

What a rapid and unpleasant fall it has been for the BlackBerry, arguably the most influential technological innovation to come out of Canada for decades. Five years ago, it was the only smart phone worth owning. Two-and-a-half years ago, Barack Obama fought for the right to keep his beloved BlackBerry as he moved into the White House (there were security concerns). RIM even signed up rock band U2 to pitch the BlackBerry in television ads.

The BlackBerry was the world’s coolest wireless device, until suddenly it wasn’t.

Of all the difficulties RIM has faced this year - the bumpy launch of the PlayBook, controversy about its dual-CEO structure, and this week’s announcement of 2,000 layoffs - none is more threatening than this: The company’s signature product has lost some of its prestige. RIM’s share of the consumer market has been pulverized by Apple Inc. and devices that run Google Inc.’s Android operating system.

Now, RIM is set to unleash a slew of sleeker, more sophisticated BlackBerrys, and the pressure has never been more intense. After an abysmal first quarter, a dizzying share price drop and the unprecedented job cuts, Canada’s most important high-tech company truly needs to wow the market if it wants to get its momentum back.

The high expectations around RIM’s forthcoming release have grown in part because co-CEO Jim Balsillie has deflected most of the recent criticism with talk of a crucial “transition” that will lead to stellar growth in the latter half of 2012. With new devices and an update of its core operating system, now called BlackBerry 7 – which will be replaced by yet another new system next year, called QNX - RIM hopes to stem the market share loss and reassert the BlackBerry as the smart phone of choice for Western business people, savvy consumers and new wireless users in fast-growing markets such as Latin America and Asia.

There is, however, more pain to be absorbed first. RIM executives and staff know the next few quarters will be as miserable as the last - that even if the new phones are a success, it will take a while for them to affect the bottom line in a meaningful way. Industry players, many of whom have already tried out the new products, are mixed on the new crop, though, and on the company’s outlook. RIM may be building a better BlackBerry, but is it enough to stem the losses to Apple and Android?

“I think BlackBerry 7, in absolute terms, is a much better BlackBerry experience,” says Mike Walkley, an analyst who follows global handset makers for Canaccord Genuity and has seen the new devices. “But in relative terms, it’s still going to look like your dad’s BlackBerry – and it’s probably going to fall further behind the Android and Apple smart phones in terms of consumer preference.”

This is partly because RIM’s software and hardware have never been as tailored to multimedia functions such as video the way rival devices made by Apple, Samsung and others have. That’s a problem because smart phones are, increasingly, becoming do-everything gadgets – fulfilling the roles previously played by Mp3 players, high definition video cameras, gaming consoles and desktop computers.

RIM has instead relied on its strengths in secure wireless e-mail, which has allowed it to dominate the enterprise sector. It also boasts the QWERTY keyboard, which many people love because it makes typing easier, although creates limitations in design.

The problem, says one senior executive at a Canadian wireless carrier, is RIM’s competitors have closed the gap on e-mail and messaging, but RIM has failed to similarly catch up on software applications. Even with the crop of BlackBerrys coming out, “the value proposition is getting tougher to justify,” he said.

“They are, bit by bit, moving in the right direction,” said the executive, who spoke on condition that his name not be used because his company has a sizable business relationship with RIM. “I think their challenge, simply put, is that things change so fast, and other people are moving at a rapid pace, too. They just have to make sure that the gap isn’t growing, it’s got to be shrinking.” Referring to the new lineup of BlackBerrys, he added: “I definitely think these are steps in the right direction. I don’t think they’ve closed the entire gap, for sure.”

Most observers have long considered RIM’s Web browsing and multimedia functions as subpar, and with the exception of a number of so-called “super apps” - such as ultra-fast BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) - the broader array for third-party applications remains far behind those of Apple and Android.

Mr. Walkley and two others on his team at Canaccord Genuity use BlackBerrys for work but iPhones and Android devices on their own time, something that is becoming more common. “A lot of clients have the same – a BlackBerry for work, and a separate personal phone,” he says. “While the new BlackBerrys have faster processing speeds, and a sleeker design, they’re still going to be seen as your work device.”

The touch-screen BlackBerry Torch, released a year ago, addressed many of these issues, as did the upgrade to the BlackBerry 6 operating system. But the Torch was not as powerful as some had hoped; some complain that browsing the Internet on it can be slow. The device sold well initially at AT&T stores, Mr. Walkley notes, but has since slowed, failing to capture the consumer imagination.

He expects there will be similarly strong initial sales of the new BlackBerrys – such as a touch-screen version of the popular BlackBerry Bold – as existing BlackBerry users go for an upgraded experience. But he forecasts that RIM’s market share loss will continue unabated.

While the view from the U.S. remains bleak, it remains only part of the picture. The BlackBerry is selling phenomenally well in many emerging markets, particularly in Latin America, certain countries in South Asia, and the Middle East. RIM is seeing phenomenal growth in these regions, posting 67 per cent increases in revenues outside North America in the first quarter, leading many to think that the heated rhetoric surrounding their recent problems is overblown.

“The epitaph of RIM has been written far too early,” says Kevin Restivo, who tracks global cellphone shipments for the research firm IDC.

The company’s enormously popular BBM service is also part of the international story. But competitors such as Apple’s iMessage, and a new collaboration between Google and French telecom giant Orange in Africa to send text messages from computers for free, will inevitably pressure RIM to innovate in these markets, says Ken Campbell, a global wireless executive.

“[RIM’s] advantage is they’re able to move large amounts of data very efficiently, more efficiently than any of the other platforms,” says Mr. Campbell, who helped launch BlackBerry with carriers in Romania, the Baltics and recently as chief executive officer of Wind Mobile in Canada.

As developing markets shift from older 2G networks to wireless data-capable 3G networks, the huge populations of the global south are going to put enormous strain on wireless networks. RIM could help alleviate that with cheaper smart phones that use less bandwidth.

“I don’t know if RIM is planning on going into the lower end of the market, but Google definitely is,” Mr. Campbell says. “But it’s a risky road, because most handset manufacturers have tried to maintain good margins by staying in the high end [smart phone segment]. It’s very low margin. It’s a very different business.”

How RIM navigates the expansion of the BlackBerry’s international presence - as well as defending its smart phones from an influx of cheap Android phones and, eventually, a cheaper version of the iPhone - will largely define the company’s longer-term future.

“The international markets are really where the growth is going to be in the future – there’s so much attention focused on the high-end devices, but it’s increasingly a volume game,” Mr. Restivo said.

“Even if they’re lower-margin devices in people’s hands, it’s still important. And as those countries grow economically … that gives them the potential for the long term to grow with those users in emerging markets.”

PorkChopSandwiches
08-03-2011, 04:01 PM
There's still quite a few people that are dedicated Crackberry users tho

Yeah, but they are losing people daily

Godfather
08-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Why does Porky not just dislike RIM but hate them? :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-03-2011, 04:47 PM
Why does Porky not just dislike RIM but hate them? :lol:

Its true :lol: and the reason is because I had to deal with them on a corporate scale and they fucking suck, the products suck, the company sucks, the support sucks. I cant think of one thing that they do that is better then any of the competition :dance:

AntZ
08-03-2011, 04:50 PM
Its true :lol: and the reason is because I had to deal with them on a corporate scale and they fucking suck, the products suck, the company sucks, the support sucks. I cant think of one thing that they do that is better then any of the competition

How about excelling at sucking?? :-k

PorkChopSandwiches
08-03-2011, 04:52 PM
How about excelling at sucking?? :-k

I knew there was a compliment in there somewhere :lol:

Godfather
08-04-2011, 01:28 AM
I like the new Bold :mrgreen: Thin and flat.

Blackberrys upgrade easily, love the qwerty keyboard, addicted to bbm, great email, and a stable OS (I understand Droid to be buggy), means I'm probably going to stay a customer of theirs.

I'll play with some HTC and Motorola droid phones, and the iPhone 5 before I decide in a few months, but I don't care about games or want a marginal touchscreen keyboard.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-04-2011, 12:17 PM
I like the new Bold :mrgreen: Thin and flat.

Blackberrys upgrade easily, love the qwerty keyboard, addicted to bbm, great email, and a stable OS (I understand Droid to be buggy), means I'm probably going to stay a customer of theirs.

I'll play with some HTC and Motorola droid phones, and the iPhone 5 before I decide in a few months, but I don't care about games or want a marginal touchscreen keyboard.

:facepalm:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-04-2011, 03:10 PM
I like the new Bold :mrgreen: Thin and flat.

Blackberrys upgrade easily, love the qwerty keyboard, addicted to bbm, great email, and a stable OS (I understand Droid to be buggy), means I'm probably going to stay a customer of theirs.

I'll play with some HTC and Motorola droid phones, and the iPhone 5 before I decide in a few months, but I don't care about games or want a marginal touchscreen keyboard.

And you will decide against the BB ;)