New Yorkers Fleeing State

[AntZ]

New Yorkers Fleeing State

BY NEWSCORE

Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 10:03 AM EDT




ALBANY, N.Y. - Taxed-out New Yorkers are voting with their feet, with a staggering 1.6 million residents fleeing the state over the last decade.

For the second consecutive decade, New York led the nation in the percentage of residents leaving for other states, according to the report by the Empire Center for State Policy.

The population loss is "the ultimate barometer of New York's attractiveness as a place to work, live and do business," the report's co-author, E.J. McMahon, said. "It's the ultimate indication that we've been doing things wrong."

Most analysts blamed New York's high taxes and skyrocketing cost of living for the mass exodus.

The Tax Foundation ranked New York highest in the nation in the combined state and local tax burden in 2008. And as small-business lobbyist Mike Durant noted, New York has also "consistently ranked worst or in the top three worst in business climate. You can't suck every penny out of people and expect them to remain in New York."

Since 1960, New York has lost 7.3 million residents to other states -- a net loss of 2.5 million people after adding in an influx of 4.8 million new immigrants, the study found.

Overall, the state's population grew by 2 percent between 2000 and 2010, but that rate that fell far behind states with lower taxes, growing economies and warmer climates like Nevada, Florida and Arizona, the three fastest-growing states, according to The New York Post .

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Sounds like CA :(

[FBD]

Sounds like CT, too

...and the asswipes that stole the governor's election are powering down toward the wrong end zone, too

[Muddy]

I thought you were from NJ, FBD...

[FBD]

Nope, I'm from among the closest to blue in the nation, highest taxed state in the nation (and that's despite all the casinos,) good ol corrupt as fuck Connecticrap. Our lovely "secretary of state" Bysewicz helped contrive a ballot shortage crisis for the democrats, fucked up Bridgeport, and stole the election this past time around. How in the hell do you supposedly only order 35-40% ballots for the total number of registered voters in a precinct? When you have an election to steal, that's when.

[Acid Trip]

The over taxed citizens of NY are leaving for low tax states? You mean like how corporations have been doing the same thing (by leaving the country) for the last 30 years? Gee, who would have figured.

[Muddy]

Nope, I'm from among the closest to blue in the nation, highest taxed state in the nation (and that's despite all the casinos,) good ol corrupt as fuck Connecticrap. Our lovely "secretary of state" Bysewicz helped contrive a ballot shortage crisis for the democrats, fucked up Bridgeport, and stole the election this past time around. How in the hell do you supposedly only order 35-40% ballots for the total number of registered voters in a precinct? When you have an election to steal, that's when.


Isn't that like a 95% non minority state?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Nope, I'm from among the closest to blue in the nation, highest taxed state in the nation (and that's despite all the casinos,) good ol corrupt as fuck Connecticrap. Our lovely "secretary of state" Bysewicz helped contrive a ballot shortage crisis for the democrats, fucked up Bridgeport, and stole the election this past time around. How in the hell do you supposedly only order 35-40% ballots for the total number of registered voters in a precinct? When you have an election to steal, that's when.

If you hate it that much, why do you live there? :-k

[FBD]

Isn't that like a 95% non minority state?

haha...not quite. 12% black 16% hispanic, from recent data - but I'd be willing to bet a bunch of that is concentrated in cities. go to hartford (its up there in the rankings for murder capital of the US) new britain, meriden, waterbury, bridgeport, new haven, and the concentrations are much higher. I dont think they keep percentages on 'white trash' but for sure the people in fairfield and greenwich make up for the income disparity to make it look like CT is a high income state. That's probably how they justify wasting so much of our money.

not that race makes much of a difference. you're just more likely to have some dumb son of a bitch put a bullet hole in your windshield for no particular reason, like I had happen when I crashed at a friend's place in new britain last year.


If you hate it that much, why do you live there? :-k

oh, little things....family...,my son...plenty of friends (and some of them are even liberal :P they just dont try to debate politics with me, they prefer their echo chambers :lol:) good thing is with my job I can probably move just about anywhere and do it. I'd love to move to Alaska, but I have far too much business to take care of here for the next bunch of years. we'll see where I end up in time, though. preferably somewhere its easy to be a hermit.

[Acid Trip]

haha...not quite. 12% black 16% hispanic, from recent data - but I'd be willing to bet a bunch of that is concentrated in cities. go to hartford (its up there in the rankings for murder capital of the US) new britain, meriden, waterbury, bridgeport, new haven, and the concentrations are much higher.

not that race makes much of a difference. you're just more likely to have some dumb son of a bitch put a bullet hole in your windshield for no particular reason, like I had happen when I crashed at a friend's place in new britain last year.



oh, little things....family...,my son...plenty of friends (and some of them are even liberal :P they just dont try to debate politics with me, they prefer their echo chambers :lol:) good thing is with my job I can probably move just about anywhere and do it. I'd love to move to Alaska, but I have far too much business to take care of here for the next bunch of years. we'll see where I end up in time, though. preferably somewhere its easy to be a hermit.

Alaska is great if you love the cold and aren't bothered by mosquitoes the size of baseballs (not an exaggeration).

[FBD]

proper abdominal breathing generates quite a bit of heat ;)

I love Juneau - 40 miles of roads, 120 miles of hiking, surrounded by glacier. Bugs do get nasty though...and it rains way too much there...

[Deepsepia]

ALBANY, N.Y. - Taxed-out New Yorkers are voting with their feet, with a staggering 1.6 million residents fleeing the state over the last decade.

For the second consecutive decade, New York led the nation in the percentage of residents leaving for other states, according to the report by the Empire Center for State Policy.

The population loss is "the ultimate barometer of New York's attractiveness as a place to work, live and do business," the report's co-author, E.J. McMahon, said. "It's the ultimate indication that we've been doing things wrong."

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Overall, the state's population grew by 2 percent between 2000 and 2010, but that rate that fell far behind states with lower taxes, growing economies and warmer climates like Nevada, Florida and Arizona, the three fastest-growing states, according to The New York Post .

As usual, a bit of wingnut distortion.

Let's start with the obvious facts: folks retire from New York to Nevada, Florida, and Arizona.

New York has seen massive immigration of young, ambitious people, who go to work in the news, fashion, finance industriesd (among others). You think young Indian computer scientists are saying "get me a ticket to Phoenix, that' the path to prosperity?" Hardly. They want to be in New York, or Silicon Valley, two of the higher tax jurisdictions in the nation. Why? Because that's where the best opportunities are.

They make their fortunes . . . often stay in the city, sometimes leave. There are two life events when folks move out of the city - when they have kids, and when they retire. In neither case is it because they're going to work someplace else more economically attractive.

The relative attractiveness of New York vs its ostensible competition can be seen in the real estate markets of the states cited.

New York City? More expensive than ever, money and people pouring in.

Arizona? Nevada? Florida? These are ground zero for the real estate meltdown, the worst of the worst.

Low taxes? Sure. Economic disaster? Yup.

You think Goldman Sachs is about to move to Las Vegas? How about News Corporation? Are they on their way to Phoenix?

Nope. Rupert Murdoch himself is a New York resident.

New Yorkers' taxes pay for things of civic value-- things that folks in, say, Phoenix will never see, like a public school system that graduates more Nobel Prize winners than most nations, and a public transportation system that means you don't need to own a car (not owning a car is itself a huge economic savings, not included in the data, but nonetheless quite real)