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LONDON (Reuters) - London braced on Sunday for more violence after some of the worst riots seen in the British capital for years which politicians and police blamed on criminal thugs but residents attributed to local tensions and anger over hardship.
Rioters throwing petrol bombs rampaged overnight through an economically deprived district, setting police patrol cars, buildings and a double-decker bus on fire.
"There is Twitter conversations that people are being asked to meet again down in Tottenham so we are all concerned but clearly we will be much better prepared this evening," Richard Barnes, London's Deputy Mayor, told BBC TV.
Police Commander Adrian Hanstock told Reuters there was "a lot of ill-informed and inaccurate speculation on social media sites" that could inflame the situation.
"Should we receive any indication that there will be any further violence or offending, there is a robust policing plan in place and we will respond appropriately with the resources available to us," he said.
BOMBARDED WITH MISSILES, BOTTLES
Police said 26 officers were injured as rioters bombarded them with missiles and bottles, looted buildings including banks, shops and council offices, and torched three patrol cars near Tottenham police station in north London.
The riots erupted after a street protest over the fatal shooting of a man by armed officers this week turned violent.
Residents said they were forced to flee their homes to escape the trouble as mounted police and riot officers on foot charged the crowd to push rioters back.
As day broke, the Metropolitan Police, which will handle next year's London Olympic Games in what is expected to be Britain's biggest peacetime operation, faced questions about how the trouble had been allowed to escalate.
The disturbance was only finally brought under control on Sunday after hours of sporadic clashes. Buildings were still smouldering, bricks littered the roads and burglar alarms continued to ring out.
At a nearby retail park, electrical stores and mobile phone shops had been ransacked, with boxes for large plasma televisions discarded outside, along with CDs and glass from smashed windows.
"They have taken almost everything," said Saad Kamal, 27, branch manager of retailer JD Sports. "Whatever is left is damaged."
APPEAL FOR CALM
Local member of parliament David Lammy said they did not know if everyone had escaped flats above shops that were gutted by fire. "A community that was already hurting has now had the heart ripped out of it," he told reporters.
Police and community leaders said the community had been horrified by what happened and appealed for calm amid fears that further rioting could break out or spread to other areas.
The trouble broke out on Saturday night following a peaceful demonstration over the shooting of Mark Duggan, 29, who was killed after an exchange of gunfire with police on Thursday. Duggan's death is now being investigated by the independent police watchdog.
The riots also come amid deepening gloom in Britain, with the economy struggling to grow amid deep public spending cuts and tax rises brought into help eliminate a budget deficit which peaked at more than 10 percent of GDP.
"Tottenham is a deprived area. Unemployment is very, very high ... they are frustrated," said Uzodinma Wigwe, 49, who was made redundant from his job as a cleaner recently.
"We know we have been victimised by this government, we know we are being neglected by the government," said another middle-aged man who declined to give his name. "How can you make one million youths unemployed and expect us to sit down?"
Tottenham has a large number of ethnic minorities and includes areas with the highest unemployment rates in London. It also has a history of racial tension with local young people, especially blacks, resenting police behavior including the use of stop and search powers.
NOTORIOUS RACE RIOT IN 1985
The disorder was close to where one of Britain's most notorious race riots occurred in 1985, when police officer Keith Blakelock was hacked to death on the deprived Broadwater Farm housing estate during widespread disturbances.
Locals said there had been growing anger recently about police behavior.
"I've lived in Broadwater Farm for 20 odd years and from day one, police always pre-judge Turks and black people," said a 23-year-old community worker of Turkish origin who would not give his name.
Fingers were also pointed at the police for failing to anticipate the trouble, although Commander Hanstock said there had been no hint of what was coming. He said they expected to add to the 42 people already arrested.
The London force has been heavily criticised for its handling of recent large protests against austerity measures, while its chief and the top counter-terrorism officer have quit over the handling of the News Corp phone-hacking scandal.
"I'm concerned that what was peaceful protest ... turned into this and it seemed to go on for many hours before we saw the kind of policing that I think is appropriate," Lammy said.
Politicians said criminals and thugs, rather than those with genuine grievances, had taken advantage of the situation.
"The rioting in Tottenham last night was utterly unacceptable," a spokesman for Prime Minister David Cameron said. "There is no justification for the aggression the police and the public faced, or for the damage to property."
The capital also saw riots at the end of last year when protests against government plans to raise tuition fees for university students in the center of London turned violent with police and government buildings attacked.
During the most serious disturbances last December, rioters targeted the limousine belonging to heir-to-the-throne Prince Charles and his wife Camilla, kicking its doors, cracking a window and reportedly jabbing Camilla with a stick.
http://news.yahoo.com/london-rioters-battle-police-shooting-protest-054921704.html
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Godfather
08-07-2011, 05:54 PM
Wow. Pretty insane. I can tell you, living in a city when a riot happens is just really sad. And our wasn't even out of anger at anything tangible it was just stupidity and drunkenness...
Those pictures are something else
If you guys wanted to see a riot, you should have been in L.A. for the Rodney King riot!! It covered a couple hundred square miles and lasted a week. It took the national guard, the military and a 1/3 of the cops in California to shut it down.
I'll never forget the sight of over 150 CHP cruisers coming down Interstate 5 in the San Fernando Valley, heading to L.A. to relieve the other CHP's that were working around the clock. I had to cut through the line to take a transition lane. There are shocking memories that I'll never forget!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
Hugh_Janus
08-07-2011, 06:14 PM
a message to you vancouverites.... THIS is how you fuck up your own shit [-(
Hugh_Janus
08-07-2011, 06:15 PM
goddammit
Godfather
08-07-2011, 07:19 PM
If you guys wanted to see a riot, you should have been in L.A. for the Rodney King riot!! It covered a couple hundred square miles and lasted a week. It took the national guard, the military and a 1/3 of the cops in California to shut it down.
I'll never forget the sight of over 150 CHP cruisers coming down Interstate 5 in the San Fernando Valley, heading to L.A. to relieve the other CHP's that were working around the clock. I had to cut through the line to take a transition lane. There are shocking memories that I'll never forget!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
That's intense man. I've seen plenty of shows on the riots.
What did you do during them?
Hal-9000
08-07-2011, 07:55 PM
If the rioters are one million unemployed youths and students...and the issues are about job creation and tuition hikes...
about the last thing you do to get your point across is - "...officers were injured as rioters bombarded them with missiles and bottles, looted buildings including banks, shops and council offices, and torched three patrol cars"
If you can gather one million people in a peaceable fashion, that's a very powerful message in itself...
deebakes
08-07-2011, 09:20 PM
wow :shock:
must be the crazy hats...
That's intense man. I've seen plenty of shows on the riots.
What did you do during them?
I was in it! And I worked every day in L.A. while in was going on.
I watched the LAPD trial verdict in my office, then I headed down to Long Beach to see a customer. While there, I was talking about the verdict with this one black guy that I always would talk about classic soul music with. We visited and I finished my work, normally I would have just headed into Central L.A. and stop in on some other contract customers. But there was a bad feeling in the air that afternoon, I just headed back up the 710 freeway out of Long Beach and the reports of fires and violence were being reported by the minute and I could already see the smoke. The Florance and Normandy riot was starting at that moment just a few miles west of the freeway, I saw the helicopters flying over me heading there. When I got back to my office, I was just in time to see on tv the infamous beatings on the street corner. And Long Beach, where I was just at, was being looted and buildings were being burned. That evening while heading home, every gas station, supermarket, and business was closed! It was like Christmas day, no one was driving and no one was open. After getting home, my friend called me and said to come over and bring my Ruger!
Leefro
08-07-2011, 11:36 PM
It's moved onto #Enfield
Leefro
08-07-2011, 11:49 PM
http://news.sky.com/home/video---tottenham-riots-looting-of-jd-sports-in-broad-daylight-caught-on-camera-by-sky-news/article/16045235
Leefro
08-07-2011, 11:53 PM
To keep it updated it is now into Brixton with just small amount of trouble and will no doubt spread all over london
DemonGeminiX
08-08-2011, 01:11 AM
So all this crap over the police shooting death of one guy who was rumored of being a "gangster" and shooting at a police officer that was trying to detain him for suspicion of unlawfully carrying a firearm?
Southern Belle
08-08-2011, 01:21 AM
Sad news. People in general are so disgruntled.
Griffin
08-08-2011, 01:36 AM
I thought guns were illegal over there.
DemonGeminiX
08-08-2011, 01:46 AM
For the common citizen, they are.
I can still remember (just) the summer of 1981 where most major cities in England were rioting at the same time, scary stuff.
deebakes
08-08-2011, 05:41 AM
:wtf2:
Leefro
08-08-2011, 02:40 PM
So all this crap over the police shooting death of one guy who was rumored of being a "gangster" and shooting at a police officer that was trying to detain him for suspicion of unlawfully carrying a firearm?
The first was a peaceful protest then as usual go out of hand then ppl just doing it for fun and to get stuff for free
DemonGeminiX
08-08-2011, 08:51 PM
That's just stupid.
Leefro
08-08-2011, 09:08 PM
It is getting worse now and spread into Croydon and then onto our second city Birmingham with shops being looted
Ohh and our esteemed Pm is on his Holidays
I'm looking at HUGE fires in Croydon live on Sky right now, and not a single firetruck or firefighter at least trying to put it out??
Even in WW2 as the V2's were falling, you always saw people trying to put out the fires in the old films.
What's this world coming to? Is there that much fear in the U.K.?
Leefro
08-08-2011, 09:19 PM
The trouble is these fires are set on the purpose when they turn up to put it out they get petrol bombed while doing their job
The trouble is these fires are set on the purpose when they turn up to put it out they get petrol bombed while doing their job
Then it's time for the police to get issued an actual weapon and given the authority to shoot these worthless pieces of shit for attempted murder! Enough is enough! I know the U.K. want's to appear more dignified and continue the belief that a whistle and a club is all an officer needs, time to get with the modern age!
I remember during the L.A. riots, people were also attacking the fighter fighters, the California Highway Patrol was given the escort job and the order to shoot to kill! And they did!
Leefro
08-08-2011, 09:29 PM
A shooting started all this in the first place ;)
It will end in a few days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCMRwZIJUQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9l_iIEl-_8
A shooting started all this in the first place ;)
So if there were no guns, there would be peace and love across the city right now?
It was just those damn police shooting an innocent unarmed man?? :-k
Griffin
08-08-2011, 09:41 PM
What's this world coming to? Is there that much fear in the U.K.?
good god man! didn't you see "Shaun of the Dead"?
Leefro
08-08-2011, 09:42 PM
If guns were more prevalent in our country then it would get 100% worse
FACT ;)
Muddy
08-08-2011, 09:44 PM
If guns were more prevalent in our country then it would get 100% worse
FACT ;)
Do you think people would be out there shooting each other?
If guns were more prevalent in our country then it would get 100% worse
FACT ;)
Is that something to be proud of?
It's pretty bad now, and guns are for the most part banned, would it be just like Somalia if people were allowed to arm themselves?
Leefro
08-08-2011, 09:58 PM
Do you think people would be out there shooting each other?
If we lived in a society where guns were king then yes they might be.
But thankfully we don't
Muddy
08-08-2011, 10:00 PM
When shits crazy like that a gun would make me feel safer... I could barricade myself in my house and if people tried to enter, start picking mother funkers off...
Leefro
08-08-2011, 10:01 PM
It's just about thieving little cunts trying to get things for free
The majority of the British public dont want any more guns on the streets there are already too many on the streets as it is.
Leefro
08-08-2011, 10:06 PM
The majority of the British public dont want any more guns on the streets there are already too many on the streets as it is.
Quite correct and post of the night :)
Leefro
08-08-2011, 10:31 PM
Just to add that it looks like someone has been shot in London tonight
They were just saying that the looting and destruction tonight was done primarily by 13, 14, and 15 year olds, boys and girls!
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Godfather
08-09-2011, 02:41 AM
Who really cares about a thug getting shot. I've been reading some stuff that says nobody, even the rioters, have an idea why they're out there. Criminal opportunism seems to be the biggest factor here. ...
Then again, it always is in riots... but what the hell is going on!?!
This is wide-spread. Check out the map. Our riot a few months back was a few blocks and it seemed out of control!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8689355/London-riots-all-incidents-mapped-in-London-and-around-the-UK.html
Griffin
08-09-2011, 03:05 AM
People in general no longer have the integrity values that I grew up with.
Kids are now taught from an early age that they are privileged and that they are owed something.
From the welfare lines to the super wealthy today's youth have there hands out expecting instant retribution for doing nothing to earn it.
They have no respect for others and will do nothing to deserve the respect they expect.
Everything in today's society is disposable so there is no reason for them to give a shit about anything.
...but at least I have the means to defend my home when the shit hits the fan here.:cool:
Godfather
08-09-2011, 04:03 AM
I'm actually surprised people don't start shooting these fuggin' rioters (I'm not sure how prevalent guns our)
If someone tried to burn the home my family lives in, or the business that feeds them...
DemonGeminiX
08-09-2011, 05:07 AM
I wonder if this is going to effect the Olympics any.
Godfather
08-09-2011, 05:10 AM
Ohhhh yeah!! Totally forgot about that.... hmm
People in general no longer have the integrity values that I grew up with.
Kids are now taught from an early age that they are privileged and that they are owed something.
From the welfare lines to the super wealthy today's youth have there hands out expecting instant retribution for doing nothing to earn it.
They have no respect for others and will do nothing to deserve the respect they expect.
Everything in today's society is disposable so there is no reason for them to give a shit about anything.
...but at least I have the means to defend my home when the shit hits the fan here.:cool:
The parallels to L.A., that I've been talking about, are becoming more apparent. On the news this morning, they were covering what happened last night. These two black guys were sounding off and saying that: "This is Brixton! We are here and NO ONE GIVES US NOTHING! WE WANT OUR SHARE!"
Then an older well dressed black man justified the looting and violence by quoting Martin Luther King! I'm sure M.L.K. would be proud!
In 1992, one of the greatest quotes after the riots had been going for a day, a news crew asked a black guy why they were looting the Fedco store on La Cienega Blvd. The guy said that's it's a civil right to have a big screen tv!
I wonder if this is going to effect the Olympics any.
there is a posibility. i'd love for the IOC to turn around and say sorry, were having the olympics back in beijing or somewhere, i'd hazzard a guess that some of these on the riot band waggon have applied for jobs in the olympic stadiums etc. then they end up with no job and money because of their moronic actions.
there is absloutely NO reason riots and looting has broken out outside london apart from the fact people want to jump on the bandwagon.
the England football match 2mro night has now been cancelled
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8690599/England-v-Holland-international-friendly-cancelled-due-to-London-riots-Football-Association-confirms.html
watch them riot over this :rolleyes:
they keep this up i wouldnt be suprised if all football games around the london area get cancelled this weekend!
its no fault other than their own.
i say send the Army in and show them what No Retreat No Surrender means!!
Arkady Renko
08-09-2011, 11:49 AM
introduce a curfew from dusk til dawn, arrest anyone who breaks it and shoot looters without warning.
Muddy
08-09-2011, 12:09 PM
Time to start poppin caps in mugs head...
People in general no longer have the integrity values that I grew up with.
Kids are now taught from an early age that they are privileged and that they are owed something.
From the welfare lines to the super wealthy today's youth have there hands out expecting instant retribution for doing nothing to earn it.
They have no respect for others and will do nothing to deserve the respect they expect.
Everything in today's society is disposable so there is no reason for them to give a shit about anything.
...but at least I have the means to defend my home when the shit hits the fan here.:cool:
When you have to work for something, you have an appreciation of the value....when everything is given....hey wtf, where's mine?
When you have to work for something, you have an appreciation of the value....when everything is given....hey wtf, where's mine?
:hit the nail on the head smiley:
:tup:
Watching the events in London and other English cities over the last few nights has left a feeling of 'why'?
Of all the images coming out this one is the one I find the most troubling, a woman so scared for her life she has to jump from a burning building into the arms of the police to escape.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54501000/jpg/_54501023_012623830-2.jpg
Acid Trip
08-09-2011, 01:57 PM
At least the LA riots were over something (in the beginning). These riots don't even have a damn cause. Just a bunch of idiots running around causing problems.
Joebob034
08-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Riots ruined Detroit. I don't see the same thing happening to London, but I hope it gets resolved soon.
redred
08-09-2011, 02:33 PM
Shops and cars damaged in Bristol disorder
Shops have been damaged and cars set on fire after disorder broke out in parts of Bristol.
About 150 people are said to have been involved in the trouble in several areas, including in the city centre and the Cabot Circus and Broadmead areas.
Avon and Somerset Police said four arrests were made but more were expected as CCTV is reviewed.
The violence came as trouble spread across London for a third day and was replicated in cities across England.
A police spokesman said the force had been prepared for the possibility of disorder following events in other parts of the UK and vowed to bring those responsible to justice.
The disturbances were eventually brought to an end in the early hours.
Police said the Stokes Croft and St Werburghs areas of Bristol were also affected in what the force described as a "volatile situation".
Windows at the Tesco Express store in Stokes Croft, which was targeted during disturbances in April, were damaged but the store was open for business.
BBC reporter Neil Bennett, who witnessed some of the disturbances, said he had arrived in Gloucester Road about 01:30 BST.
"There were bottles being thrown at police who were controlling the situation very well," he said.
"It was quite scary and lively and there were lots of bottles and bricks being thrown but the police seemed to get it under control.
"There were lots of people with masks and shirts over their faces but they largely just disappeared into the darkness as the police arrived.
"We moved on to St Pauls where we saw a car on fire. It must have only been lit a few minutes ago so we called the police and fire brigade.
Disturbances 'wrong'
"People were starting to congregate and film it on their mobile phones when the police arrived and took control.
Mr Bennett said residents in St Pauls - who described the disturbances as "wrong - reacted to the fires in bins by moving them away from cars nearby.
Another eyewitness, Andy Valentine, from St Pauls said he saw police clashing with gangs.
"We could hear there were problems not too far from us and then suddenly came to where we lived," he said.
"After about half an hour, the police managed to get the rioters to move on.
"I didn't want to go to sleep until I was absolutely sure the violence had moved on from our area.
"I've never seen anything like this before in my life."
Ch Supt Jon Stratford said the violence was not on the same scale as had happened in London.
"There has been a series of sporadic and volatile incidents throughout the night with a small number of people intent on causing violence and criminal damage to property," he said.
"We will always respect the right of any individual or group to take part in a peaceful protest.
"But when disorder occurs, we have a duty to the wider community to do everything we can to calm the situation and restore order and prevent criminality."
All political parties on Liberal Democrat-controlled Bristol City Council condemned the disorder.
In a joint statement party leaders said they looked forward to the perpetrators being brought to justice.
It also paid tribute to the fire brigade and the police which it said struck a good balance between sensitive community policing and providing a firm highly-visible presence.
A football match between Bristol City and Swindon Town planned for Tuesday evening has been called off for safety reasons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14454726
redred
08-09-2011, 02:34 PM
it's spreading
Arkady Renko
08-09-2011, 02:48 PM
Riots ruined Detroit. I don't see the same thing happening to London, but I hope it gets resolved soon.
Detroit IS a riot.
Joebob034
08-09-2011, 02:59 PM
Detroit IS a riot.
when I'm there it is.
lost in melb.
08-09-2011, 03:10 PM
Wow, haven't looked at the news fro a few days and what do you know...hope it passes soon. And how on earth will they find jobs for all those people? It's not like all the people in England need to work to run the country, what with all the cheap imports... that's part of the problem.
Arkady Renko
08-09-2011, 03:17 PM
Wow, haven't looked at the news fro a few days and what do you know...hope it passes soon. And how on earth will they find jobs for all those people? It's not like all the people in England need to work to run the country, what with all the cheap imports... that's part of the problem.
back in the days of the empire they had a patent solution for this kind of problem. They'd simply ship the worst misfits off to australia and draft the rest into the army to die or grow up while conquering some other country in Asia or Africa. those were the days...
Leefro
08-09-2011, 03:17 PM
Shops and cars damaged in Bristol disorder
Shops have been damaged and cars set on fire after disorder broke out in parts of Bristol.
About 150 people are said to have been involved in the trouble in several areas, including in the city centre and the Cabot Circus and Broadmead areas.
Avon and Somerset Police said four arrests were made but more were expected as CCTV is reviewed.
The violence came as trouble spread across London for a third day and was replicated in cities across England.
A police spokesman said the force had been prepared for the possibility of disorder following events in other parts of the UK and vowed to bring those responsible to justice.
The disturbances were eventually brought to an end in the early hours.
Police said the Stokes Croft and St Werburghs areas of Bristol were also affected in what the force described as a "volatile situation".
Windows at the Tesco Express store in Stokes Croft, which was targeted during disturbances in April, were damaged but the store was open for business.
BBC reporter Neil Bennett, who witnessed some of the disturbances, said he had arrived in Gloucester Road about 01:30 BST.
"There were bottles being thrown at police who were controlling the situation very well," he said.
"It was quite scary and lively and there were lots of bottles and bricks being thrown but the police seemed to get it under control.
"There were lots of people with masks and shirts over their faces but they largely just disappeared into the darkness as the police arrived.
"We moved on to St Pauls where we saw a car on fire. It must have only been lit a few minutes ago so we called the police and fire brigade.
Disturbances 'wrong'
"People were starting to congregate and film it on their mobile phones when the police arrived and took control.
Mr Bennett said residents in St Pauls - who described the disturbances as "wrong - reacted to the fires in bins by moving them away from cars nearby.
Another eyewitness, Andy Valentine, from St Pauls said he saw police clashing with gangs.
"We could hear there were problems not too far from us and then suddenly came to where we lived," he said.
"After about half an hour, the police managed to get the rioters to move on.
"I didn't want to go to sleep until I was absolutely sure the violence had moved on from our area.
"I've never seen anything like this before in my life."
Ch Supt Jon Stratford said the violence was not on the same scale as had happened in London.
"There has been a series of sporadic and volatile incidents throughout the night with a small number of people intent on causing violence and criminal damage to property," he said.
"We will always respect the right of any individual or group to take part in a peaceful protest.
"But when disorder occurs, we have a duty to the wider community to do everything we can to calm the situation and restore order and prevent criminality."
All political parties on Liberal Democrat-controlled Bristol City Council condemned the disorder.
In a joint statement party leaders said they looked forward to the perpetrators being brought to justice.
It also paid tribute to the fire brigade and the police which it said struck a good balance between sensitive community policing and providing a firm highly-visible presence.
A football match between Bristol City and Swindon Town planned for Tuesday evening has been called off for safety reasons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14454726
I wondered where you had been ?
Leefro
08-09-2011, 03:20 PM
At least the LA riots were over something (in the beginning). These riots don't even have a damn cause. Just a bunch of idiots running around causing problems.
A local lad from Tottenham got shot and killed
redred
08-09-2011, 03:37 PM
I wondered where you had been ?
i've been hiding down in devon found out about this crap on the radio in the car on the way back
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10970/
Many commentators are on a mission to contextualise the riots that have swept parts of urban London and other British cities. ‘It’s very naive to look at these riots without the context’, says one journalist, who says the reason the violence kicked off in the London suburb of Tottenham is because ‘that area is getting 75% cuts [in public services]’. Others have said that the political context for the rioting is youth unemployment or working-class anger at David Cameron’s cuts agenda. ‘There is a context to London’s riots that can’t be ignored’, said a writer for the Guardian, and it is the ‘backdrop of brutal cuts and enforced austerity measures’. The ‘mass unrest’ is a protest against unhinged capitalism, apparently.
These observers are right that there is a political context to the riots. They are right to argue that while the police shooting of young black man Mark Duggan may ostensibly have been the trigger for the street violence, there is a broader context to the disturbances. But they are wrong about what the political context is. Painting these riots as some kind of action replay of historic political streetfights against capitalist bosses or racist cops might allow armchair radicals to get their intellectual rocks off, as they lift their noses from dusty tomes about the Levellers or the Suffragettes and fantasise that a political upheaval of equal worth is now occurring outside their windows. But such shameless projection misses what is new and peculiar and deeply worrying about these riots. The political context is not the cuts agenda or racist policing – it is the welfare state, which, it is now clear, has nurtured a new generation that has absolutely no sense of community spirit or social solidarity.
What we have on the streets of London and elsewhere are welfare-state mobs. The youth who are ‘rising up’ – actually they are simply shattering their own communities – represent a generation that has been more suckled by the state than any generation before it. They live in those urban territories where the sharp-elbowed intrusion of the welfare state over the past 30 years has pushed aside older ideals of self-reliance and community spirit. The march of the welfare state into every aspect of less well-off urban people’s existences, from their financial wellbeing to their childrearing habits and even into their emotional lives, with the rise of therapeutic welfarism designed to ensure that the poor remain ‘mentally fit’, has helped to undermine such things as individual resourcefulness and social bonding. The anti-social youthful rioters look to me like the end product of such an anti-social system of state intervention.
The most striking thing about the rioters is how little they seem to care for their own communities. You don’t have to be a right-winger with helmet hair and a niggling discomfort with black or chavvy yoof (I am the opposite of that) to recognise that this violence is not political, just criminal. It is entertaining to watch the political contortionism of those commentators who claim that the riots are an uprising against the evils of capitalism, as they struggle to explain why the targets thus far have been Foot Locker sports shops, electrical goods shops, takeaway joints and bus-stops, and why the only ‘gains’ made by the rioters have been to get a new pair of trainers or an Apple laptop. In past episodes of rioting, for example during the Brixton race riots of 1981, looting and the destruction of local infrastructure were largely incidental to the broader expression of political anger, byproducts of the main show, which was a clash between a community and the forces of the state. But in these new riots, smashing stuff up is all there is. It is childish nihilism.
Many older members of the urban communities rocked by violence have been shocked by the level of self-destruction exhibited by the rioters. Some shop-owners have got together to defend their property, even beating up rioters who have turned up with iron bars. In one video doing the rounds on social-networking sites, a West Indian woman in her fifties braves the rubble-strewn streets to lecture the rioters: ‘These people worked hard to make their businesses work and you lot wanna go and burn it up. For what?’ On Twitter, the hashtag #riotcleanup is being used by community members to coordinate some post-riot street-cleaning, to make amends for what one elderly Tottenham resident described as ‘the stupid behaviour of the young’.
But it’s more than childish destructiveness motivating the rioters. At a more fundamental level, these are youngsters who are uniquely alienated from the communities they grew up in. Nurtured in large part by the welfare state, financially, physically and educationally, socialised more by the agents of welfarism than by their own neighbours or community representatives, these youth have little moral or emotional attachment to the areas they grew up in. Their rioting reveals, not that Britain is in a time warp back to 1981 or 1985 when there were politically motivated, anti-racist riots against the police, but rather that the tentacle-like spread of the welfare state into every area of people’s lives has utterly zapped old social bonds, the relationship of sharing and solidarity that once existed in working-class communities. In communities that are made dependent upon the state, people are less inclined to depend on each other or on their own social wherewithal. We have a saying in Britain for people who undermine their own living quarters – we call it ‘shitting on your own doorstep’. And this rioting suggests that the welfare state has given rise to a generation perfectly happy to do that.
This is not a political rebellion; it is a mollycoddled mob, a riotous expression of carelessness for one’s own community. And as a left-winger, I refuse to celebrate nihilistic behaviour that has a profoundly negative impact on working people’s lives. Far from being an instance of working-class action, the welfare-state mob has more in common with what Marx described as the lumpenproletariat. Indeed, it is worth recalling Marx’s colourful description in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon of how that French ruler cynically built his power base amongst parts of the bourgeoisie and sections of the lumpenproletariat, so that ‘ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie rubbed shoulders with vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, swindlers, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, brothel-keepers, organ-grinders, ragpickers, knife-grinders, tinkers, beggars… and from this kindred element Boneparte formed the core of his [constituency], where all its members felt the need to benefit themselves at the expense of the labouring nation.’ In very different circumstances, we have something similar today – where the decadent commentariat’s siding with lumpen rioters represents a weird coming together of sections of the bourgeoisie with sections of the underworked and the over-flattered, as the rest of us, ‘the labouring nation’, look on with disdain.
There is one more important part to this story: the reaction of the cops. Their inability to handle the riots effectively reveals the extent to which the British police are far better adapted to consensual policing than conflictual policing. It also demonstrates how far they have been paralysed in our era of the politics of victimhood, where virtually no police activity fails to get followed up by a complaint or a legal case. Their kid-glove approach to the rioters of course only fuels the riots, because as one observer put it, when the rioters ‘see that the police cannot control the situation, [that] leads to a sort of adrenalin-fuelled euphoria’. So this street violence was largely ignited by the excesses of the welfare state and was then intensified by the discombobulation of the police state. In this sense, it reveals something very telling, and quite depressing, about modern Britain.
Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked.
Hugh_Janus
08-09-2011, 06:55 PM
awesome.... :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p39ULW_xzUE
I’ve just taken the staff home, I didn’t want them going into the city centre, we've not had any riots as such here but there is a fair bit of unrest and the potential is there, wasn’t prepared to take any chances with their safety.
Here's a notice in the subway shop in Manchester city centre, someone has a sence of humour.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/Minni_the_minx/subway.jpg
Griffin
08-09-2011, 10:11 PM
awesome.... :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p39ULW_xzUE:rofl:
Leefro
08-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Sangat TV :cheers::cheers:
SmoothBob
08-09-2011, 11:01 PM
Is a friggin joke..
We been talkin about it in work the day, were all o the same conviction, give the army carte blanc (is that an icecream??) and tell them restore order, there will be no repurcutions, do what u need to do..
I mean ffs, people's businesses, their homes, their livleyhoods being destroyed by a bunch o wee bastards..
A 16 year old in Glasgow posted on facebook 'if you want to start a riot then meet me in George Square at 6pm (today). Police traced him pretty much immediately and went round his house and arrested him.. They'll be none o yer pish laddie! :D
back in the days of the empire they had a patent solution for this kind of problem. They'd simply ship the worst misfits off to australia and draft the rest into the army to die or grow up while conquering some other country in Asia or Africa. those were the days...
yep they were the days! think this country needs to bring in compulsory military service like others do, teach these little scumbags about authority and respect!
A local lad from Tottenham got shot and killed
didnt he *allegedly* pull a gun on the police so they capped him. news report said no evidence of the pistol found at the scene had been fired, but i dont imagine any old pistol was just laying around.
as far as im concerned, dude pulled a pistol on the police, whether he was going to use it or not, the police did what was nesesary.
i've also heard that family and friends protesting against his shooting were doing it peacfully and once violence broke out, unrelated to their protest, they up and left so as not to be asosciated with this crap.
awesome.... :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p39ULW_xzUE
:facepalm: just shows how bright these rioters really are ffs :rolleyes:
Is a friggin joke..
We been talkin about it in work the day, were all o the same conviction, give the army carte blanc (is that an icecream??) and tell them restore order, there will be no repurcutions, do what u need to do..
I mean ffs, people's businesses, their homes, their livleyhoods being destroyed by a bunch o wee bastards..
A 16 year old in Glasgow posted on facebook 'if you want to start a riot then meet me in George Square at 6pm (today). Police traced him pretty much immediately and went round his house and arrested him.. They'll be none o yer pish laddie! :D
Army boys will give these pricks one warning. they choose not to listen then Sgt Bustyourchavvy facein aint gonna ask with words again.
Soldiers dont get bored of dishing out beatings! :mrgreen:
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:53 AM
Exactly Tank, national service should huv been brought in years ago..
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:56 AM
Im watchin the news wishin we had Judge Dredd..
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2010/05/Judge_Dredd_01-thumb-550x482-38622.jpg
The real problem here is that for the past 20-30 years, children have had NO discipline in their lives, parents don’t give it, schools are not allowed to anymore, so we now have a generation of unruly delinquents on our hands, these kids think they can do what they want when they want because nobody has bothered to teach them otherwise!
Im watchin the news wishin we had Judge Dredd..
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2010/05/Judge_Dredd_01-thumb-550x482-38622.jpg
[stalone voice] I AM THE LAW!!!!
:tup:
The real problem here is that for the past 20-30 years, children have had NO discipline in their lives, parents don’t give it, schools are not allowed to anymore, so we now have a generation of unruly delinquents on our hands, these kids think they can do what they want when they want because nobody has bothered to teach them otherwise!
when i have kids, anyone who tries to tell me i'm not alowed to disipline my child with a smack is sure as hell gonna get one themselves!!
i learnt by hand of my parents, if i did something stupid/wrong i was in for a good old slap on the head or the back of the thighs. i quickly knew to NEVER EVER do that again . . . . or at least not be so stupid as to get caught. ;)
[stalone voice] I AM THE LAW!!!!
:tup:
when i have kids, anyone who tries to tell me i'm not alowed to disipline my child with a smack is sure as hell gonna get one themselves!!
i learnt by hand of my parents, if i did something stupid/wrong i was in for a good old slap on the head or the back of the thighs. i quickly knew to NEVER EVER do that again . . . . or at least not be so stupid as to get caught. ;)
Im right with you Tank, maybe I was a little hard on my kids but I can hold my head up and say they would never do anything like this because of the moral ethics I taught them.
Im right with you Tank, maybe I was a little hard on my kids but I can hold my head up and say they would never do anything like this because of the moral ethics I taught them.
:tup:
Leefro
08-10-2011, 02:59 PM
Exactly Tank, national service should huv been brought in years ago..
They army have already said they don't want them in the Army and are against National Service
Also ppl in the Army can and do cause crime as they very first one to be arrested was in the Army
redred
08-10-2011, 03:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/JsYuT.png
http://i.imgur.com/UvoTQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uKVJ8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RhcMW.png
:lol:
http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/
Muddy
08-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Good one Red.. :lol:
BTW, John Stewart was tearing ya'll UP last night...
Lambchop
08-10-2011, 03:33 PM
On the way to the gym this morning I noticed that half of the shops were boarded up, police were on every street corner and these young Arab guys were arguing with staff from various shops. I might just hibernate until this chaos is over.
redred
08-10-2011, 03:42 PM
BTW, John Stewart was tearing ya'll UP last night...
it's a joke mate seems the talk of the whole country atm and no one is taking the side of the wankers doing it
PorkChopSandwiches
08-10-2011, 03:50 PM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpphnarhlg1r1qajlo1_500.png
Muddy
08-10-2011, 03:51 PM
it's a joke mate seems the talk of the whole country atm and no one is taking the side of the wankers doing it
Did you see the cover of 'the sun' this morning? :lol:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
redred
08-10-2011, 04:11 PM
they also reported that a dad shopped his own son to the cops and was ashamed of him
OMG! There is a riot in my biscuit tin, some nutter called rocky just hit Penguin with a club, tied him to a wagon wheel with a blue ribbon. Police said rocky was seen catching a taxi to the dam, where he drank bourbon and had it off with a ginger nut, not a crumb of evidence has been found so the jammy dodger got away with it.....
Gotta love facebook sometimes :lol:
And this is how they delt with the little shits in my home town, Manchester. Make sure you watch the vidio at the bottom of the page.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024485/UK-RIOTS-2011-Manchester-police-shown-YouTube-video-chasing-gang.html
deebakes
08-10-2011, 09:54 PM
:confused:
Did you see the cover of 'the sun' this morning? :lol:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
I was listening to a commentator on Sky last night, when they have the first look at all the morning newspaper front pages, he was angry that the Sun was doing this and whined about how irresponsible it is to out these people because they might be innocent! :lol:
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:17 PM
The guy who gave CPR to his own son..
Aw gods, NO-ONE should ever have to do that. He had his sons blood on his hands.. :(
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/10/birmingham-riots-father-of-hit-and-run-victim-pleads-for-calm-115875-23335369/
Watch this report!
In the middle of the clip is the guy I was talking about yesterday, they trimmed down his full rant that was played over and over the other day, but he's the one with the wild hair and black sweatshirt that kept complaining no one gives him anything. :lol:
http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/10/london-riots-echoes-of-the-past/
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Hope ur salon's been okay Minz.
I feel for all these peoples business being destroyed. Bunch of ignorant cunts ruining peoples lives, destroying families...
Hope ur salon's been okay Minz.
I feel for all these peoples business being destroyed. Bunch of ignorant cunts ruining peoples lives, destroying families...
Im fine thanks Bob, im out of the city centre but the girls that work for me have to go into piccadilly on their way home so ive been taking them home by car, better safe than sorry.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3742163/Do-you-know-a-riot-yob.html
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:36 PM
And it makes me so fuckin angry that ur having to be safe than sorry.
But im glad u and urs are okay. In fact to anyone that posts on here thats near any of this i hope u and urs are okay..
This ignorant shit going on in our country..
Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters
By Max Hastings
Last updated at 12:49 PM on 10th August 2011
A few weeks after the U.S. city of Detroit was ravaged by 1967 race riots in which 43 people died, I was shown around the wrecked areas by a black reporter named Joe Strickland.
He said: ‘Don’t you believe all that stuff people here are giving media folk about how sorry they are about what happened. When they talk to each other, they say: “It was a great fire, man!” ’
I am sure that is what many of the young rioters, black and white, who have burned and looted in England through the past few shocking nights think today.
It was fun. It made life interesting. It got people to notice them. As a girl looter told a BBC reporter, it showed ‘the rich’ and the police that ‘we can do what we like’.
If you live a normal life of absolute futility, which we can assume most of this week’s rioters do, excitement of any kind is welcome. The people who wrecked swathes of property, burned vehicles and terrorised communities have no moral compass to make them susceptible to guilt or shame.
Most have no jobs to go to or exams they might pass. They know no family role models, for most live in homes in which the father is unemployed, or from which he has decamped.
They are illiterate and innumerate, beyond maybe some dexterity with computer games and BlackBerries.
They are essentially wild beasts. I use that phrase advisedly, because it seems appropriate to young people bereft of the discipline that might make them employable; of the conscience that distinguishes between right and wrong.
They respond only to instinctive animal impulses — to eat and drink, have sex, seize or destroy the accessible property of others.
Their behaviour on the streets resembled that of the polar bear which attacked a Norwegian tourist camp last week. They were doing what came naturally and, unlike the bear, no one even shot them for it.
A former London police chief spoke a few years ago about the ‘feral children’ on his patch — another way of describing the same reality.
The depressing truth is that at the bottom of our society is a layer of young people with no skills, education, values or aspirations. They do not have what most of us would call ‘lives’: they simply exist.
Nobody has ever dared suggest to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything, least of all Britain or their community. They do not watch royal weddings or notice Test matches or take pride in being Londoners or Scousers or Brummies.
Not only do they know nothing of Britain’s past, they care nothing for its present.
They have their being only in video games and street-fights, casual drug use and crime, sometimes petty, sometimes serious.
The notions of doing a nine-to-five job, marrying and sticking with a wife and kids, taking up DIY or learning to read properly, are beyond their imaginations.
Continued.......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
It makes me angry too when GMP knew this was coming but sent half of our police force down to London to bolster their ranks, why were water cannons not there ready for these little shits, they even knew what time it would kick off, I heard on the radio that the city centre is on lock down tonight.
Southern Belle
08-10-2011, 10:50 PM
That's about what my husband said about it. "bring on the firehoses and rubber bullets"
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 10:51 PM
Nice post Antz, i actually agreed/thought most of it..
But we deal wi that once a statement has been made, a statement that should have been a very quick and very sharp counter as soon as it started, quick and brutal and making a statement that this shit will not be tolorated, that you will be beaten..
And then make changes, make huge fuckin changes, give some of these kids hope.
Hope is everything.
That's about what my husband said about it. "bring on the firehoses and rubber bullets"
There is all kinds on "Non Lethal" things that can be used!
In the California Prisons where the most vicious of the vicious gang members in the country seem to be kept, they will not hesitate to use this stuff on them.
A few of these grenades thrown at those rioters in the streets will put a sting on their asses like they have never had before!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDZwI2-L_Cs
Antz, the problem is that the government seep to be inept at making these decisions, the whole country is crying out for them to use these things but still nothing is done!
SmoothBob
08-10-2011, 11:32 PM
Antz, the problem is that the government seep to be inept at making these decisions, the whole country is crying out for them to use these things but still nothing is done!
I gotta agree, 100%. I work in Glasgow and the news is on wi subtitles all day, has been since this started an everyone is watchin it, over 150 people in my building all saying the same thing. And were all angry. I believe in Hope and ahm no alone, this is bringing some people together, this is bringing out people making a stand and im loving the 'Broom' revolution too, that gives me Hope. And were all feeling fear for the helpless stuck in the middle, for the guy made to strip his clothes in the street ffs, in our city's where we live and work! They may not start north of the border but its in the air and quick to start. My brother in law is a policeman, still in his rookie year, is placed on the west coast but is still in the Strathclyde (which includes Glasgow) Police so has been on stand by for being posted in Manchester or Birmingham or where ever if the government needs and requests back up. Couple o nights ago when the kid posted 'if you want to riot meet up in George Sq tonight' on-line and the cops arrested him, there was around 150 cops in George Sq that night just incase people were gonna start.
Too many people have been hurt already..
lost in melb.
08-11-2011, 07:21 AM
back in the days of the empire they had a patent solution for this kind of problem. They'd simply ship the worst misfits off to australia and draft the rest into the army to die or grow up while conquering some other country in Asia or Africa. those were the days...
yup, it's a double edged sword. Institute stricter penalties and it hardens society, introduce freedoms without guidance and you get kids who think they can do whatsoever they like.
Cheap imports and the introduction of mechanization is to Western society what health care is to Africa. Not mature enough for it yet.
redred
08-11-2011, 10:38 AM
There is all kinds on "Non Lethal" things that can be used!
In the California Prisons where the most vicious of the vicious gang members in the country seem to be kept, they will not hesitate to use this stuff on them.
A few of these grenades thrown at those rioters in the streets will put a sting on their asses like they have never had before!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDZwI2-L_Cs
i like them :tup:
good on ya boys :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6p4itkdLi8
Did you see the cover of 'the sun' this morning? :lol:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
i hope the pages of newspapers are filled with pics of the wanted for months and months until each little scab is caught and punished!
i took a few exerts from the article to comment on too -
"He just got involved. I blame all this Facebook and Twitter."
yeah, cos the internet and social media made him walk into the store and loot it :huh:
A teenager accused of attempted burglary used his Croydon court appearance to complain about his benefits.
Aaron Samuels, 19, shouted at the judge: "I don't even get money for housing benefit."
a typical example of the blame culture our society has become now. obviously not getting housing benefits gave him the right to be a looting scumbag.
anyone else notice that those complaining and saying they were getting back what was owed to them, were stood there in £100 chavsuits and £150 trainers!?
to the fucker who said she was just getting her tax back, i'd love to see what tax she has paid to warent getting it back, and in that case i'm off to rob my local curries cos the government bastards take £400 tax off me each bloody month, by my workings out the tax i've paid this country since i got a job at 18 is almost £50,000 . . . . fuck it if she can have a TV for her tax rebate im having a brand new BMW or even a House!! stupid pricks!
The youngest looter hauled before the London courts is a boy of 11 who grabbed a £50 waste bin from a trashed Debenhams store.
The lad, who cannot be named because of his age, admitted stealing the bin as yobs rampaged through Romford, Essex, on Monday night.
Prosecutor Steven Davis said: "Police saw him approach a window that had been smashed, lean in, take a waste bin and run off with it." When grabbed by officers the boy said: "I was taking it to pass on to someone else."
Highbury Youth Court was told the boy had been convicted of a separate offence only a week earlier.
His mum swore and yelled abuse as she left court. His dad is said to have been recently released from prison after serving time for theft.
clearly the boy has been set a great example by his criminal father and foul mouthed mother :rolleyes:
i love his excuse mind! i hope it was explained that taking it to pass on was still stealing, also ad on the charge of theft with intent to sell/profit from it. :rolleyes:
they also reported that a dad shopped his own son to the cops and was ashamed of him
:tup: bet there wont be much of this, more a case of the parents saying "we'll have that massive tv in the living room, you can have out old one to play your stolen playstation on"
And this is how they delt with the little shits in my home town, Manchester. Make sure you watch the vidio at the bottom of the page.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024485/UK-RIOTS-2011-Manchester-police-shown-YouTube-video-chasing-gang.html
good on them, except now their gonna be investigated for using excessive force :rolleyes: ffs i hope some decent minded people are on the investigation panel, but i doubt it :meh:
There is all kinds on "Non Lethal" things that can be used!
In the California Prisons where the most vicious of the vicious gang members in the country seem to be kept, they will not hesitate to use this stuff on them.
A few of these grenades thrown at those rioters in the streets will put a sting on their asses like they have never had before!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDZwI2-L_Cs
awesome! only as soon as they used them over here we'd have the "breach of their human rights" campainers shouting and screaming about their use . . . . i fucking hate these pricks!
good on ya boys :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6p4itkdLi8
thats the way to do it!!!!!
only hope the police let them be and not slap them with assault charges for smacking a little thug round the head
Muddy
08-11-2011, 12:22 PM
Uh oh! White boys takin' back their city!
Uh oh! White boys takin' back their city!
Just wait, this clip will be flipped around to show why the rioters are in a hopeless situation because of racial violence and discrimination from these evil racist white guys!
Back in 1992, the L.A. Times ran endless editorials, right after the riots, trying to get the public to "understand" the rage and excuse the violence! :roll:
It will be the same here, I heard commentators trying to do it while showing live pictures of burning buildings.
Muddy
08-11-2011, 12:42 PM
Just wait, this clip will be flipped around to show why the rioters are in a hopeless situation because of racial violence and discrimination from these evil racist white guys!
Back in 1992, the L.A. Times ran endless editorials, right after the riots, trying to get the public to "understand" the rage and excuse the violence! :roll:
It will be the same here, I heard commentators trying to do it while showing live pictures of burning buildings.
Oh, Im sure...
redred
08-11-2011, 03:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vQIgi.jpg (http://imgur.com/vQIgi)
redred
08-11-2011, 03:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zfld0.jpg
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