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Muddy
08-09-2011, 07:08 PM
What colour is Mark Duggan? Mark Duggan is the man who was shot dead by the police on Thursday in Tottenham. The Tottenham riots last night were sparked when people protested his death. This morning, I first heard of the riots on the radio, then on the television. I read articles on the internet. But oddly, no one would say what colour Mark Duggan was. No one would say the unsayable, that the rioters were, I suspect on the whole, black. Then, finally, Toby Young’s Telegraph blog post (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100099808/the-disturbances-in-tottenham-tonight-are-profoundly-depressing/) on the riots was published. Is Toby Young the only journalist out there who will dare say that these riots are about race?


http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/la-riots.jpg



Still, one paper did carry a photo of Mr Duggan. When I saw the photo, it confirmed what I knew instinctively: black youths once again have set London alight.


Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them. Everywhere I read that the protest was understandable because “people are very angry”.


I’d like to know what they’re angry about. Mark Duggan is dead. He was shot by the police in a shootout. Duggan was in a minicab and shots were fired from both the cab and the police elsewhere. A police officer was hurt in the incident and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Either Duggan was shooting at the police or the driver of the minicab was. Either Duggan was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his death is a terrible tragedy – he was caught in the crossfire – or he shot at the police and the police defended themselves. Whatever the explanation, the police did not kill this man in cold blood.


Yet, a friend of Duggan who gave her name as Niki, 53, said marchers had wanted “justice for the family” and “something had to be done”. She said some of them lay in the road to make their point. “They’re making their presence known because people are not happy. This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone.”


I wonder what “involved in things” means? I also wonder whether the police officer who was hurt at the scene believes Mark Duggan never hurt anyone. “Something had to be done”? She makes it sound as if the police are killing black people every other weekend and finally someone decided to take a stand.


At school I remember watching a presentation given to the kids by Trident, the Metropolitan Police Service unit set up to investigate and inform communities of gun crime in London’s black community. I didn’t know what Trident was then, and it struck me that all of the photos of people shot (the idea was to scare the kids) were black. So at the end, I approached one of the policemen and asked him what percentage of those involved in gun crime were black. I kid you not, but my question made this thirty-something white man who was, after all, trained to deal with the black community and its issues, turn pink.


He explained that about 80 per cent of gun crime took place in the black community. I smiled uncomfortably. But no, he said, it was worse than that. Then he told me that 80 per cent was black on black gun crime, and that of the remaining 20 per cent about 75 per cent involved at least one black person: black shooting white, or white shooting black. I pushed to know more. While he kept saying his stats were crude and he didn’t have scientific numbers, on the whole the whites who were involved in these shootings tended to be from Eastern Europe.


Was any of this ever mentioned in their presentation? Of course not. Just like the news about the Tottenham riots doesn’t mention race either.


Problems cannot be addressed unless people are willing to tell the truth. As with so many other things in this country, we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to speak out about it.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-09-2011, 07:12 PM
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Muddy
08-09-2011, 07:15 PM
Yo Yo Yo, Baby Pop!

FBD
08-09-2011, 09:10 PM
:lol: do you honestly, seriously believe this is about race? :roll:

this is class warfare, plain and simple - why else would we be seeing quotes from rioters saying "we're showing the rich we can do whatever the fuck we want"?

race aint the same issue over there as it is over here dude.

the township where this is happening is having their welfare cut.


an objective look:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10970/




Another left-wing friend of mine in the UK has another interesting theory — that the particular targeting of electronics and clothes shops represents an explosion of consumerism. Stay with me, because I think he has a point and I’d like to explain why. Much of the British underclass has had easy access to credit over the past decade or so — and why not, when they are on a secure income stream of state benefits — and they have spent this for the most part on TVs, video games, and “chav” fashion. That easy credit — which I should emphasize was encouraged by the loose monetary policy of Gordon Brown and Tony Blair — has now dried up, so they are looking to take for free what they previously got for nominal sums. There is more evidence for that conclusion in this BBC recording of two girls saying that the riots were about taking what they wanted, for free…

I think what we are seeing in Britain is a conflation of two liberal dreams — that of the 1960s, in which parenting and tradition went out the window, and that of the 2000s, in which self-help was replaced by easy credit, benefits, and an all-mighty “health and safety” bureaucracy — together with the unfinished nature of the Thatcher revolution. Mrs. T enabled economic Thatcherism but was unable to finish the project of what I termed social Thatcherism, whereby a free society recognized the importance of what once were called manners.

The result is a feral underclass without any understanding of tradition from right or left.


Sorta like the fuckwads in vancouver were going to riot no matter if they had a win or a loss!

Muddy
08-09-2011, 09:32 PM
I didn't write the article, dippy. It was pinched from a British site...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

SmoothBob
08-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Yeah but The Telegraph is pretty much the last 'upper class' newspaper in Britain, The Times lost that title a looooooong time ago, so they aint gonna fuel the 'us and them' attitude. This aint about race in any way at all, its about a bunch o people who aint willin to take part o the blame and change themselves when its easy to be part o the 'its not my fault, its society's' and bitch about it. Its about them taking an 'oppertunity' at someones death to go 'ah remember walkin past that shop and thinkin that big telly will look great in mah house!'

And i know i said in the other thread to send in the army and i stand by that, but after its all done we need to try and change things and give people hope and a future and this willnae happen again...

yeah right! :lol:

Hal-9000
08-09-2011, 11:18 PM
You know it just occurred to me....Brits are pissed over not enough jobs, tuitions, the way the country is being run (and yes, the guy that got shot was a catalyst of sorts...ahem)

The United States has just been through some of the roughest times in modern history in terms of economics, job loss, home loss, 401k plans being dissolved...

and nothing like this has happened down there.You'd think if any country has a reason to act like monkeys and boneheads, it would be the US.

Leefro
08-09-2011, 11:37 PM
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Leefro
08-09-2011, 11:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangat_TV