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AntZ
08-09-2011, 09:27 PM
British Police Face Public Anger as Riots Rage

Published August 09, 2011 | Associated Press




London began nearly tripling the number of police on its streets Tuesday to try to end Britain's worst rioting in a generation -- three nights of looting and burning by poor, diverse and brazen crowds of young people. Meanwhile, however, the chaos spread to at least one more major city.

Scenes of ransacked stores, torched cars and blackened buildings frightened and outraged Britons just a year before London is to host the Olympics. London's Metropolitan Police force said Tuesday it would flood the streets with 16,000 officers over the next 24 hours, but acknowledged they could not guarantee an end to the violence.

"We have lots of information to suggest that there may be similar disturbances tonight," Cmdr. Simon Foy told the BBC. "That's exactly the reason why the Met (police force) has chosen to now actually really 'up the game' and put a significant number of officers on the streets."

In Manchester, which previously hadn't seen violence, police said seven people were arrested Tuesday as youths rampaged through the center of the northwestern city. Firefighters said a clothing store in the city center and a disused library in nearby Salford were set on fire.

Assistant Chief Constable Terry Sweeney of the Greater Manchester police department urged residents to avoid the city center. "A handful of shops have been attacked by groups of youths who have congregated and seem intent on committing disorder," he said.

The riots started Saturday with a protest over a police shooting in London's Tottenham neighborhood, but have morphed into a general lawlessness in London and several other cities that police have struggled to halt with ordinary tactics. While the rioters have run off with sneakers, bikes, electronics and leather goods, they also have torched stores apparently just for the fun of seeing something burn.

Rioters, able to move quickly and regroup to avoid the police, were left virtually unchallenged in several neighborhoods, plundering stores at will.

Police in Britain generally avoid tear gas, water cannons or other strong-arm riot measures, but they said they were considering the use of plastic bullets -- blunt-nosed projectiles designed to deal punishing blows to rioters without penetrating the skin. Such weapons, formally called baton rounds, still are used to quell riots in Northern Ireland but have never been used by police in Britain itself.

Stores, offices and nursery schools in several parts of London closed early amid fears of fresh rioting Tuesday night, though pubs and restaurants were open. Police in one London district, Islington, advised people not to be out on the streets "unless absolutely necessary."

In central England, police said they made five arrests in Birmingham and dispersed a small group of people who torched two cars in the center of West Bromwich, a nearby town. Shops were targeted by rioters in the city of Wolverhampton, police said.

In London, riots and looting have flared from gritty suburbs along the capital's fringes to the posh Notting Hill neighborhood. The disorder has caused heartache for Londoners whose businesses and homes were torched or looted, and a crisis for police and politicians already staggering from a spluttering economy and a scandal over illegal phone hacking by a tabloid newspaper that has dragged in senior politicians and police.

"The public wanted to see tough action. They wanted to see it sooner and there is a degree of frustration," said Andrew Silke, head of the criminology department at the University of East London.

So far more than 560 people have been arrested in London and more than 100 charged, and the capital's prison cells were overflowing. Several dozen more were arrested in other cities. The Crown Prosecution Service said it had teams of lawyers working 24 hours a day to help police decide whether to charge suspects.

Silke said it will be hard to control the rioting until police make larger numbers of arrests.

"People are seeing images of lines of police literally running away from rioters," he said. "For young people that is incredibly empowering. They are breaking the rules. They are getting away with it. No one is able to stop them."

The unrest was Britain's worst since race riots set the capital ablaze in the 1980s. Groups of young people set buildings, vehicles and garbage dumps on fire, looted stores and pelted police officers with bottles and fireworks.

London's beleaguered police force noted that it received more than 20,000 emergency calls on Monday -- four times the normal number. Scotland Yard has called in reinforcements from around the country and asked all volunteer special constables to report for duty.

A soccer match scheduled for Wednesday between England and the Netherlands at London's Wembley stadium was canceled to free up police officers for riot duty.

Police launched a murder inquiry after a man found with a gunshot wound during riots in the south London suburb of Croydon died of his injuries Tuesday. Police said 111 officers and 14 members of the public were hurt over the three days of rioting, including a man in his 60s with life-threatening injuries.

Prime Minister David Cameron -- who cut short a holiday in Italy to deal with the crisis -- recalled Parliament from its summer recess for an emergency debate on the riots and looting. He described the scenes of burning buildings and smashed windows as "sickening," but refrained from tougher measures such as calling in the military to help police restore order.

"People should be in no doubt that we will do everything necessary to restore order to Britain's streets and to make them safe for the law-abiding," Cameron told reporters after a crisis meeting at his Downing Street office.

Parliament will return to duty on Thursday, as the political fallout from the rampage takes hold. The crisis is a major test for Cameron's Conservative-led coalition government.

Other politicians visited riot sites Tuesday -- but for many residents it was too little, too late.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg was booed by crowds who shouted "Go home!" in Birmingham, while London Mayor Boris Johnson -- who flew back overnight from his summer vacation -- was heckled on a shattered shopping street in Clapham, south London.
Johnson said the riots would not stop London from "welcoming the world to our city" for the Olympics.

"We have time in the next 12 months to rebuild, to repair the damage that has been done," he said.

"I'm not saying it will be done overnight, but this is what we are going to do."

Violence first broke out late Saturday in the low-income, multiethnic district of Tottenham in north London, after a protest against the fatal police shooting of Mark Duggan, a 29-year-old father of four who was gunned down in disputed circumstances Thursday.

Police said Duggan was shot dead when officers from Operation Trident -- the unit that investigates gun crime in the black community -- stopped a cab he was riding in.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the shooting, said a "non-police firearm" was recovered at the scene, but that there was no evidence it had been fired -- a revelation that could fuel the anger of the local community.

An inquest into Duggan's death was opened Tuesday, though it will likely be several months before a full hearing.

Duggan's death stirred memories of the 1980s, when many black Londoners felt they were disproportionately stopped and searched by police. The frustration erupted in violent riots in 1985.

Relations have improved since then but tensions remain, and many young people of all races mistrust the police.

Others pointed to rising social tensions in Britain as the government slashes 80 billion pounds ($130 billion) from public spending by 2015 to reduce the huge deficit, swollen after the country spent billions bailing out its foundering banks.

Many rioters appeared to relish the opportunity for violence Monday night. "Come join the fun!" shouted one youth as looters hit the east London suburb of Hackney.

In Hackney, one of the boroughs hosting next year's Olympics, hundreds of youths left a trail of burning trash and shattered glass. Looters ransacked a convenience store, filling plastic shopping bags with alcohol, cigarettes, candy and toilet paper.

In Croydon, fire gutted a 140-year-old family run department store, House of Reeves, and forced nearby homes to be evacuated.

"I'm the fifth generation to run this place," said owner Graham Reeves, 52. "I have two daughters. They would have been the sixth.

"No one's stolen anything," he said. "They just burnt it down."

On Tuesday, as Londoners emerged with brooms to help sweep the streets of broken glass, many called for police to use water cannons, tear gas or rubber bullets to disperse rioters, or bring out the military for support. Although security forces in Northern Ireland regularly use all those methods, they have not been seen on the mainland in decades.

Conservative lawmaker Patrick Mercer said that policy should be reconsidered.

"They should have the tools available and they should use them if the commander on the ground thinks it's necessary," he said.

The government rejected the calls.

"The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," Home Secretary Theresa May told Sky News. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities."

The riots could not have come at a worse time for police -- a year before the Olympic Games, which Scotland Yard says will be the biggest challenge in its 182-year history.

The government has slashed police budgets as part of its spending cuts. A report last month by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said the cuts -- a third of which have already taken place -- will mean 16,000 fewer police officers by 2015.

Opposition Labour lawmaker David Winnick said the government should scrap its plan to cut police numbers.

"I think it's absolute madness in view of what's happened over the last few nights," he said.

The force also is without a full-time leader after chief Paul Stephenson quit last month amid a scandal over the ties between senior officers and Rupert Murdoch's British newspapers, which are being investigated for hacking phone voicemails and bribing police for information. The force's top counterterrorism officer, John Yates, also quit over the hacking scandal.

Police representatives say officers are demoralized, and feel a sense of betrayal by politicians and their leaders.

Constable Paul Deller, a 25-year veteran working in a police control center during Monday's violence, said the rioting was "horrific."

He acknowledged there were not enough officers on the streets to stop it, but said "we gave it everything we could."

Police said they were working full-tilt, but found themselves under attack -- from rioters roaming the streets, from a scared and worried public, and from politicians whose cost-cutting is squeezing police numbers ahead of next year's Olympic Games.

AntZ
08-09-2011, 09:35 PM
I feel really sorry for those cops, there is so much politically correct pressure and demands placed on the police force from all sides all day everyday, they have become exactly what the public has molded them into. Now, they are expected to actually go out and crack heads and kick ass, but honestly it seems they don't know how! It's the result of years of "be nice and PC at all costs" training. The cops have a muzzle and a tight leash, when the dog has been kicked it's whole life, don't suddenly expect it will spring to life and defend you!

Muddy
08-09-2011, 09:37 PM
They need a lesson from the NYPD..

minz
08-09-2011, 09:40 PM
Their hands are tied, the public want them to kick the crap out of these scrotes but the powers that be seem incapable of giving the order, but then again if they do act there will be other groups barking on about heavy handed policing so they're damned if they do and damned if they don’t sadly. Feral Rats running through the streets and alleyways of Manchester tonight, We need a human Rentokil.

Muddy
08-09-2011, 09:42 PM
You need to give a free ipod and $500 to every London inhabitant...

AntZ
08-09-2011, 09:42 PM
Feral Rats running through the streets and alleyways of Manchester tonight, We need a human Rentokil.

Yup!

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London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

9 August 2011 Last updated at 12:35 GMT Help



Two girls who took part in Monday night's riots in Croydon have boasted that they were showing police and "the rich" that "we can do what we want".

The pair who were drinking wine looted from a local shop at 09:30 BST on Tuesday morning, spoke to the BBC's Leana Hosea.

Croydon was one of several areas plagued by unrest on Monday night, on a third night of riots in the capital.

There were also violent scenes in several other English cities.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

AntZ
08-09-2011, 09:47 PM
Forced to strip naked in the street: Shocking scenes as rioters steal clothes and rifle through bags as people make their way home

By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 10:37 PM on 9th August 2011


http://i.imgur.com/Pn6bU.jpg


This picture shows the shocking depths the thugs were prepared to plumb – stealing the clothes from a man’s back.

The taller, broader man already holds a pair of white and green trainers and a white T-shirt in his hands. Now, it seems, he wants the trousers too.

The shorter man dutifully removes his jeans, leaving only his dark blue underpants and his white socks.

The image appeared on Twitter as internet rumours claimed that, on top of widespread violence and looting across London, thugs were even removing clothing from their victims.

Several people on Twitter claimed there have been incidents of victims being stripped naked in Deptford, South London and Birmingham but, because of the very nature of the alleged incidents, the reports remain unsubstantiated.

In the photograph the ‘victim’ – his face pixellated – stands on the kerbside in a quiet side road and appears cowed before the other man after handing over his clothing.

Twitter and other social networking sites have helped to give a vivid visual account of the riots.

One shocking video showed an unnamed teenager being apparently assisted by kind-hearted passers-by after being spotted injured and bleeding on the ground.

But seconds after the vulnerable boy is helped up, callous looters instead start rifling through his rucksack.

With over a dozen thugs standing nearby, the teenager tries to stop the bleeding from his head as thieves continue the daylight robbery.

It is one of countless photos and videos that have been posted – sometimes almost instantly – to document scenes such as this one. Some of them were posted by the rioters themselves, others by innocent witnesses.

But as well as providing a chronicle of the events, posts on Twitter have helped organise the disorder. Rioters and looters have tweeted to help mobilise large mobs bent on destruction

But Twitter yesterday refused to shut down the accounts of any of the rioters using the service to incite hatred or violence, saying that the tweets must continue to flow.

A Twitter spokesman explained the company’s attitude to the rioters’ use of the service by referring to a blog post written by the service’s co-founder Biz Stone at the start of this year.

The post, which is entitled ‘The Tweets Must Flow’, says: ‘Our goal is to instantly connect people everywhere to what is most meaningful to them. For this to happen, freedom of expression is essential.

‘Some tweets may facilitate positive change in a repressed country, some make us laugh, some make us think, some downright anger a vast majority of users.

‘We don’t always agree with the things people choose to tweet, but we keep the information flowing irrespective of any view we may have about the content.’

MORE PHOTOS:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/UK-riots-2011-London-Birmingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html

Muddy
08-09-2011, 09:49 PM
"The taller, broader man".... What a bunch of PC bullshit..... :lol:

Hal-9000
08-09-2011, 10:00 PM
Seems simple to me....a large portion of the civilian population is breaking the law and local police enforcement can't handle the crime.

Declare marshal law, bring in the military and demonstrate to those who are 'doing what we want', that they cannot.

AntZ
08-09-2011, 10:03 PM
"The taller, broader man".... What a bunch of PC bullshit..... :lol:

This morning on Sky, they were interviewing a bunch of witnesses. This guy in his mid 20's was describing the mob and began to say: "They were a bunch of poor blac....k.... Sorry! It's not right to class people when I don't know their socioeconomic standing"... W.T.F.!! :roll:

I remembered when the L.A. Times began running crime stories in the late 90's, it would be: the LAPD are looking for two men in their early 20's for the violent robbery and assault of a couple shopping in West L.A. If you have any information, please contact the LAPD!! Ahhhh. O.K. I just saw two men in their 20's a few minutes ago, I wonder if I should call??

Then you'll hear it on the tv news and they will say two black gang members with this hair style, this tall, and these tattoos...! Now I get the picture!

Muddy
08-09-2011, 10:04 PM
What a world we live in...

minz
08-09-2011, 10:06 PM
Hal, that’s what the majority of the British public wish would happen but the government just don’t seem able to make the call. :huh:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-09-2011, 10:09 PM
Seems simple to me....a large portion of the civilian population is breaking the law and local police enforcement can't handle the crime.

Declare marshal law, bring in the military and demonstrate to those who are 'doing what we want', that they cannot.

Yup, and enforce the curfew like they were doing in Baghdad to stop the violence. Anyone out after curfew will be shot on sight, no questions asked.

AntZ
08-09-2011, 10:20 PM
The coverage on Sky is too much!

Just a moment ago they were asking a group of about a dozen young black teenage boys in Manchester why they were there, the shit they were saying is just beyond pathetic!


Honestly, Western Civilization is almost lost!!

Hal-9000
08-09-2011, 10:33 PM
this is all because we gave women the vote and allowed them to smoke in public


:sad2:

minz
08-09-2011, 10:36 PM
this is all because we gave women the vote and allowed them to smoke in public


:sad2:

:huh: :axe:

minz
08-09-2011, 10:38 PM
The coverage on Sky is too much!

Just a moment ago they were asking a group of about a dozen young black teenage boys in Manchester why they were there, the shit they were saying is just beyond pathetic!


Honestly, Western Civilization is almost lost!!

Makes me ashamed to be a Manc :sad2:

Hal-9000
08-09-2011, 10:46 PM
and the esoteric meaning of what history really remembers and thinks of these people?

absolute fuck all...


Hey! Do you guys remember the name of the guy who lit himself on fire protesting the war?
Do you remember the name of the guy who stood in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square?
Do you remember what happened in LA after 200000 people rioted in honor of Rodney King?

the answers are no, no and nothing...


I believe that if your cause is worthy enough, you can take the time and resources to organize 1 million people
and have them assemble peaceably.That is a strong message....1 million people standing or sitting and saying - "This needs to change".


Rioting is useless and only harms people and property....like a bunch of fucking monkeys from 10000 years ago...such a proud moment for humanity.

SmoothBob
08-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Send in the fuckin tanks...

I wish the riot cops were allowed were allowed to wade in, i'd join up! Get a bunch o them together like the romans did, or the spartans, move in and destroy! :D

http://fearlessflying.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/300_1280.jpg

Leefro
08-09-2011, 11:25 PM
Obviously the daily mail pic is fake as pammy's tits

Hugh_Janus
08-09-2011, 11:30 PM
I feel really sorry for those cops, there is so much politically correct pressure and demands placed on the police force from all sides all day everyday, they have become exactly what the public has molded them into. Now, they are expected to actually go out and crack heads and kick ass, but honestly it seems they don't know how! It's the result of years of "be nice and PC at all costs" training. The cops have a muzzle and a tight leash, when the dog has been kicked it's whole life, don't suddenly expect it will spring to life and defend you!
Its not the fact they can't crack heads and kick ass, its just when they doand someone is seriously injured/killed due to the police action, the shitstorm that rains down on them is unreal

Yup!

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London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

9 August 2011 Last updated at 12:35 GMT Help



Two girls who took part in Monday night's riots in Croydon have boasted that they were showing police and "the rich" that "we can do what we want".

The pair who were drinking wine looted from a local shop at 09:30 BST on Tuesday morning, spoke to the BBC's Leana Hosea.

Croydon was one of several areas plagued by unrest on Monday night, on a third night of riots in the capital.

There were also violent scenes in several other English cities.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
I was made aware of this earlier in the day, but didn't watch it because I knew I'd rage and probably punch my telly :facepalm:

"The taller, broader man".... What a bunch of PC bullshit..... :lol:
I know, right.... ::-? Sport doesn't even escape it... I was watching a rugby match on the telly and a black player (the only one on the field) committed an offence, the referee's assistant didn't get his number so pointed him out as "the guy with the red boots" :lol: The commentator even LOLd and said he'd never heard a player being called out by the colour of his boots

Seems simple to me....a large portion of the civilian population is breaking the law and local police enforcement can't handle the crime.

Declare marshal law, bring in the military and demonstrate to those who are 'doing what we want', that they cannot.
never going to happen.... unless it gets properly out of hand.... our prime minister would never want that to affect his "image"

Makes me ashamed to be a Manc :sad2:
surely you mean "more ashamed"? :-k

:dance: