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PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 05:31 PM
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Marijuana is currently regulated by the United States government as a Schedule II drug, placing it in the same category as methadone, cocaine and morphine. This is largely due to the first condition of Schedule II drugs, which is that the substance “has a high potential for abuse.” The language in that clause is deliberately vague. Does abuse equal addiction? Probably not, since marijuana is not addictive like other Schedule II drugs. Rats don’t self-administer the compound in a lab, it’s virtually impossible to fatally overdose on the drug, and the physiological effects of marijuana withdrawal, if they occur, are far milder than those experienced by chronic amphetamine, alcohol, nicotine or opiate users. Put another way, if “abuse” means “addiction” then cigarettes should be Schedule II, not marijuana.

Rather, the case for marijuana “abuse” has always stemmed from its cognitive effects. While cigarettes are like caffeinated smoke — they increase attention and productivity, marijuana is the drug of choice for slackers, hippies and Seth Rogen characters. In popular culture, all it takes is one hit from a bong before people become ridiculously dumb, unable to solve the simplest problems or utter a coherent sentence. Potheads eat a lot and laugh at stupid jokes. The larger worry, of course, is that such damage is enduring and that “smoking dope” permanently impedes learning and memory.

That, at least, has been the collective stereotype for decades. There’s even been some science to back it up, especially when the marijuana use begins at an early age. But now a different answer is beginning to emerge, thanks to an authoritative new study led by Robert Tait at the Australian National University. The scientists looked at the long-term cognitive effects of marijuana use in nearly 2,000 subjects between the ages of 20 and 24. The subjects were divided (based on self-reports) into several different categories, from total abstainers (n = 420) to “current light users” (n = 71) to “former heavy users” (n = 60). Over the course of eight years, the scientists gave the subjects a battery of standard cognitive tests, most of which focused on working memory, verbal memory and intelligence. One of the important advantages of this study is that the scientists controlled for a number of relevant variables, such as education and gender. In Time, Maia Szalavitz explains why this statistical adjustment is necessary:

The lower education levels of the pot smokers — and their greater likelihood of being male — had made it look like marijuana had significantly affected their intelligence. In fact, men simply tend to do worse than women on tests of verbal intelligence, while women generally underperform on math tests. The relative weighting of the tests made the impact of pot look worse than it was.

Once these population differences were corrected for, the long-term effects of marijuana use disappeared: The scientists found that “there were no significant between group differences.” In other words, the amount of pot consumed had no measurable impact on cognitive performance. The sole exception was performance on a test of short-term verbal memory, in which “current heavy users” performed slightly worse than former users. The researchers conclude that, contrary to earlier findings, the mind altering properties of marijuana are ephemeral and fleeting:

The adverse impacts of cannabis use on cognitive functions either appear to be related to pre-existing factors or are reversible in this community cohort even after potentially extended periods of use. These findings may be useful in motivating individuals to lower cannabis use, even after an extensive history of heavy intake.

This study builds on previous work by Harvard researchers demonstrating that the learning and memory impairments of heavy marijuana users typically vanish within twenty eight days of “smoking cessation.” (The slight impairments still existed, however, one week after smoking.) While several days might sound like a long hippocampal hangover, heavy alcohol users typically experience deficits that persist for several months, if not years. In other words, heavy marijuana use appears to be a lot less damaging than alcoholism.

Taken together, these studies demonstrate that popular stereotypes of marijuana users are unfair and untrue. While it’s definitely not a good idea to perform a cognitively demanding task (such as driving!) while stoned, smoking a joint probably also won’t lead to any measurable long-term deficits. The Dude, in other words, wasn’t dumb because he inhaled. He was dumb because he was The Dude. (All those White Russians probably didn’t help, either.)

Furthermore, there’s some intriguing evidence that marijuana can actually improve performance on some mental tests. A recent paper by scientists at University College, London looked at a phenomenon called semantic priming. This occurs when the activation of one word allows us to react more quickly to related words. For instance, the word “dog” might lead to decreased reaction times for “cat,” “pet” and “Lassie,” but won’t alter how quickly we react to “chair.”

Interestingly, the scientists found that marijuana seems to induce a state of hyper-priming, in which the reach of semantic priming extends to distantly related concepts. As a result, we hear “dog” and think of nouns that, in more sober circumstances, would seem rather disconnected, such as “leash” or “hair.” This state of hyper-priming helps explain why cannabis has been so often used as a creative fuel, as it seems to make the brain better at detecting those remote associations that lead to radically new ideas.

Why does marijuana increase access to far reaching intellectual connections? One possibility is that the beneficial effect of the drug is mediated by mood. Marijuana, after all, has long been used to quiet anxious nerves — big pharma is currently exploring targeted versions of THC as a next generation anxiolytic — as only a few puffs seem to dramatically increase feelings of relaxation and euphoria. (The technical term for this, of course, is getting stoned.) Furthermore, recent research has suggested that performance on various tests of remote associations and divergent thinking — a hallmark of creativity — are dramatically enhanced by such positive moods. Look, for instance, at a 2003 study by German researchers that investigated performance on a classic remote associate test (RAT), in which subjects have to find a fourth word that is associated with the three following words:

cottage Swiss cake

This answer is pretty obvious: cheese. But what about this problem?

dream ball book

That was a trick question: There is no shared association. Here’s the remarkable thing about these remote associate problems: People can recognize the possibility of a solution before they’ve solved the problem. The German scientists demonstrated this by asking people to quickly press the spacebar whenever they were presented with a triad that had an answer. If people had no intuitions about creative associations, their guesses should have been roughly random. But that’s not what the scientists found. Instead, subjects were able to efficiently sort “coherent” word problems — those with an actual answer — from incoherent problems, which are a waste of time. Before we find the solution, we can feel its presence.

And this returns us to marijuana: Putting people in a positive mood roughly doubled their accuracy at the task. All of a sudden, they were twice as good at identifying problems with possible solutions. This suggests that anything that makes us happier, reducing vigilance and anxiety, might also make us more creative. We can detect more remote associations, of course, but we also know which associations are worth pursuing, which is probably even more important. It doesn’t matter if it’s pot, chocolate or a stand-up comic — those substances or experiences that put a smile on our face can also increase the powers of the imagination, at least when solving particular creative problems.

So here’s the very un-D.A.R.E. takeaway: Heavy marijuana use doesn’t seem to cause any sort of lasting brain damage. All the negative side-effects are relatively temporary. (But those side-effects are real.) Furthermore, the sort of anxiolytic giddiness triggered by THC comes with its own unexpected benefits, which is probably why humans have been self-medicating with cannabis for thousands of years.

Muddy
08-18-2011, 05:33 PM
That dude in the picture sure looks stupid...

AntZ
08-18-2011, 05:45 PM
That dude in the picture sure looks stupid...

Hey! :hand: Don't criticize him, he's the one that wrote the article! :huh:

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 05:57 PM
whoa..wall of text


moving on..

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 05:58 PM
that is a great picture btw :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 06:01 PM
whoa..wall of text


moving on..

Hahahahaha, stoner

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 06:03 PM
I read it....I can read extremely fast when I'm stoned :thumbsup:

PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 06:06 PM
cottage Swiss cake

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 06:14 PM
I don't agree with most of this...

first the good - I'm a heavy smoker and have been since my teens.I become different than most users in the way that I'm more talkative, alert and can remember things from years ago (or minutes ago)when I smoke a lot of pot.In fact, I've been told to shut up often because other stoners can't follow the train of thought :lol:

I'm more sensitive to people's feelings and considerate when stoned, also more passive.I don't want to argue with people when high and will usually do everything I can to stop a fight between others...because that somehow affects me.I'd much rather be with a girl when high, than when straight.Both for sex and conversation.

The bad - When stoned, complex ideas or tasks.... moving from A to B to C become confusing for me.I can remember what I need to do, just can't execute it.Laziness is another attribute, I'll procrastinate way more when high as opposed to being straight.

PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 06:16 PM
drink a red bull

Acid Trip
08-18-2011, 07:25 PM
I'm high 24/7 if I'm not at work. I smoked in High School, college, and graduate school. I maintained a 4.0 the entire time.

Now, what's the one thing I do while high that I never do otherwise? When I'm driving I'm so focused on not fucking up (not speeding, watching crosswalks, looking for kids, etc) that I sometimes forget where I'm going. If I'm supposed to take a left I realize that after I've already passed it. My friend lives a couple blocks away and I've driven by his house a 100 times before I realized I already passed it.

When I'm not high I never do that. If that's my one side effect for the joy and relaxation I get from weed then so be it!

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Muddy
08-18-2011, 08:09 PM
I'm high 24/7 if I'm not at work. I smoked in High School, college, and graduate school. I maintained a 4.0 the entire time.

Now, what's the one thing I do while high that I never do otherwise? When I'm driving I'm so focused on not fucking up (not speeding, watching crosswalks, looking for kids, etc) that I sometimes forget where I'm going. If I'm supposed to take a left I realize that after I've already passed it. My friend lives a couple blocks away and I've driven by his house a 100 times before I realized I already passed it.

When I'm not high I never do that. If that's my one side effect for the joy and relaxation I get from weed then so be it!

http://trailerparkboys.org/forums/Smileys/default/passone.gif

Why the dislike for reality?

PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 08:13 PM
everything is better.....on weeeeed

Muddy
08-18-2011, 08:15 PM
I dont think so.. I like to take a puff from time to time after a beer.. But the statement 24/7 just says drug addict to me.

SmoothBob
08-18-2011, 08:17 PM
I Heart teh Green! :D

SmoothBob
08-18-2011, 08:18 PM
Why the dislike for reality?

Reality sux most o the time...

Muddy
08-18-2011, 08:19 PM
Reality sux most o the time...


not for me !! :dance:

SmoothBob
08-18-2011, 08:25 PM
Why, r u onna marching powder?????

Muddy
08-18-2011, 08:26 PM
huh?

PorkChopSandwiches
08-18-2011, 08:31 PM
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SmoothBob
08-18-2011, 08:35 PM
Fae Columbia!

Ahm kiddin! :D

Sometimes reality is great and i enjoy life i do, is just, well, helps me tae relax

Acid Trip
08-18-2011, 08:56 PM
Why the dislike for reality?

You act like reality changes when you're high and it does not. Why do you take anti-anxiety pills and drink?

Muddy
08-18-2011, 09:00 PM
You act like reality changes when you're high and it does not. Why do you take anti-anxiety pills and drink?

I take anti-anxiety pills because I have anxiety from time to time.

They take the edge off so I don't tell people to go fuck themselves...

I do not get high from them.

Acid Trip
08-18-2011, 09:03 PM
I should revise my statement. I didn't/don't smoke when...

I got married. Took tests in school. Before athletic events or running/weight lifting. Around family (I have cousins much younger than me I don't want to influence). Taking long road trips (especially at night). Doing my taxes.

If something is very important and requires my full attention I wait until it's over then get high. I also smoke mostly savita strains as opposed to indica. Indica makes me feel retarded and super sleepy (Northern lights especially).

Acid Trip
08-18-2011, 09:04 PM
I take anti-anxiety pills because I have anxiety from time to time.

They take the edge off so I don't tell people to go fuck themselves...

I do not get high from them.

So you alter YOUR reality for the sake of others. I can tell you I'm much less grouchy when I'm high and people like that. To each their own.

SmoothBob
08-18-2011, 09:05 PM
And i smoke tae stop me from fae goin raj all the time!

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 09:15 PM
people who drink and people who get high are doing the same thing

both are drugs and produce an effect within your body

the effects vary...sometimes wildly, but to say one is better than the other or to stand on a pedestal
and label one guy a stoner or one guy an alcoholic...is fucking ridiculous and needs to stop.

I personally choose weed over booze because I'm in greater control of my body and emotions when smoking
as opposed to alcohol.I lose physical coordination when drinking...kinda the main idea behind Crest :lol:

Acid Trip
08-18-2011, 09:24 PM
people who drink and people who get high are doing the same thing

both are drugs and produce an effect within your body

the effects vary...sometimes wildly, but to say one is better than the other or to stand on a pedestal
and label one guy a stoner or one guy an alcoholic...is fucking ridiculous and needs to stop.

I personally choose weed over booze because I'm in greater control of my body and emotions when smoking
as opposed to alcohol.I lose physical coordination when drinking...kinda the main idea behind Crest :lol:

Like I said, to each their own. I'm not calling anyone anything. He inferred I'm a drug addict when he does the exact same thing I do but in a different way.

JoeyB
08-18-2011, 09:32 PM
I'm high 24/7 if I'm not at work. I smoked in High School, college, and graduate school. I maintained a 4.0 the entire time.


Why the dislike for reality?

Have you ever sampled reality? It sucks ass sometimes.


I take anti-anxiety pills because I have anxiety from time to time.

They take the edge off so I don't tell people to go fuck themselves...

I do not get high from them.

I'm not questioning your actions, just stating my view...I think that people are generally over medicated, and this is dangerous. Our bodies are delicate and need to maintain a certain chemical balance, you start dumping shit in there and nothing good can come of it in the long term. I like to deal with problems in a way that is not pharmaceutical.


people who drink and people who get high are doing the same thing

but to say one is better than the other or to stand on a pedestal
and label one guy a stoner or one guy an alcoholic...is fucking ridiculous and needs to stop.

I disagree entirely...potheads are usually not a problem, where drunks often are. Seriously...without hesitation I would always keep company with a stoner over an alcoholic. Same thing for meth...those people are fucking dangerous. Drugs are different, and the effects they have different, and these labels actually do make sense.

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 09:32 PM
Like I said, to each their own. I'm not calling anyone anything. He inferred I'm a drug addict when he does the exact same thing I do but in a different way.

My post was more of an all round post, not directed at you or Muddy in particular AT.

I've heard the bullshit throughout my life and had a lifetime of drinking (heavy) as well as drugs.
I have an extended family of alcoholics so I'm intimately familiar with the extremes of both.

The only person that has the right to criticize me for my personal wants, is not someone who drinks booze or does drugs.

Muddy
08-18-2011, 09:33 PM
Like I said, to each their own. I'm not calling anyone anything. He inferred I'm a drug addict when he does the exact same thing I do but in a different way.

You're so full of shit you stink...

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 09:37 PM
I disagree entirely...potheads are usually not a problem, where drunks often are. Seriously...without hesitation I would always keep company with a stoner over an alcoholic. Same thing for meth...those people are fucking dangerous. Drugs are different, and the effects they have different, and these labels actually do make sense.

I understand your point but disagree.I have friends that drink and are reasonable...and I have friends that do drugs that are not.
Yes in the sense of a more peaceful and less dramatic encounter, I would normally choose the company of people on drugs over a group of drinkers.


...but unfortunately that's not what my post is about at all.It's about one group of drug takers looking down on another and thinking/saying that they're better.
Neither side is better, just different.

JoeyB
08-18-2011, 11:06 PM
The only person that has the right to criticize me for my personal wants, is not someone who drinks booze or does drugs.

I neither drink nor do drugs...I shall now commence berating you. Yeehaw~!!


I understand your point but disagree.I have friends that drink and are reasonable...and I have friends that do drugs that are not.
Yes in the sense of a more peaceful and less dramatic encounter, I would normally choose the company of people on drugs over a group of drinkers.


...but unfortunately that's not what my post is about at all.It's about one group of drug takers looking down on another and thinking/saying that they're better.
Neither side is better, just different.

Again, pot heads (and only pot, no other drugs) are as a group 'better' than alcoholics. Drunks are no good...hard core drug abusers (and I'm singling out meth again) are no good. Pot heads...basically harmless.

Hal-9000
08-18-2011, 11:08 PM
I'm far from harmless...heh heh heh :rolleyes:

Southern Belle
08-18-2011, 11:20 PM
This is unscientific but in my little town, the former "hippies" are now the upstanding citizens, local political leader, community leaders.
I don't think smoking pot makes anybody dumber, it just mostly makes them not give a shit at the moment. :lol:

Hal-9000
08-19-2011, 12:23 AM
I think it makes you dumber over time, chronic type use.

FBD
08-19-2011, 03:56 AM
anything for serious I'm in agreement - sports, skiing, driving, performances...gotta be as sharp as possible for, then party after.
;)

Joebob034
08-19-2011, 04:13 AM
reading all this makes me wanna smoke

SmoothBob
08-19-2011, 07:01 AM
Mornin doobie..

:smokes!:

RBP
08-19-2011, 03:34 PM
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PorkChopSandwiches
08-19-2011, 03:35 PM
:wank: