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FBD
08-25-2011, 02:32 AM
:-k Waaaait a sec - werent we told by a few people, some in rather important positions...that if we let GM go bankrupt, why, there would be no way for the warranties to get serviced?

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN1E77I0Z820110819?irpc=932


GM says bankruptcy excuses it from Impala repairs
Fri, Aug 19 15:47 PM EDT

* New GM said not responsible to fix Impala made by old GM

* Suspension problem said to cause excessive tire wear

By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK, Aug 19 (Reuters) - General Motors Co (GM.N) is seeking to dismiss a lawsuit over a suspension problem on more than 400,000 Chevrolet Impalas from the 2007 and 2008 model years, saying it should not be responsible for repairs because the flaw predated its bankruptcy.

The lawsuit, filed on June 29 by Donna Trusky of Blakely, Pennsylvania, contended that her Impala suffered from faulty rear spindle rods, causing her rear tires to wear out after just 6,000 miles. [ID:nN1E7650CT]

Seeking class-action status and alleging breach of warranty, the lawsuit demands that GM fix the rods, saying that it had done so on Impala police vehicles.

But in a recent filing with the U.S. District Court in Detroit, GM noted that the cars were made by its predecessor General Motors Corp, now called Motors Liquidation Co or "Old GM," before its 2009 bankruptcy and federal bailout.

The current company, called "New GM," said it did not assume responsibility under the reorganization to fix the Impala problem, but only to make repairs "subject to conditions and limitations" in express written warranties. In essence, the automaker said, Trusky sued the wrong entity.

"New GM's warranty obligations for vehicles sold by Old GM are limited to the express terms and conditions in the Old GM written warranties on a going-forward basis," wrote Benjamin Jeffers, a lawyer for GM. "New GM did not assume responsibility for Old GM's design choices, conduct, or alleged breaches of liability under the warranty."

David Fink, Trusky's lawyer, declined to comment.

John Penn, a former president of the American Bankruptcy Institute who is not involved in the case, said the question of "successor liability" is common for manufacturing companies that go through bankruptcy.

"The fact it comes up now is not a surprise, as this type of issue was widely discussed during GM's bankruptcy," said Penn, now a partner at Haynes and Boone in Fort Worth, Texas. "The court will need to evaluate the claims to see if they fit within any cubbyhole of liability that New GM assumed."

GM said an argument similar to Trusky's failed this year in a case involving its OnStar security and navigation product.

"There are no specific factual allegations that New GM -- as opposed to Old GM -- did anything at all in relation to her vehicle," Jeffers wrote. "Plaintiff here is trying to saddle new GM with the alleged liability and conduct of old GM."

In late afternoon trading, GM shares were down $1.62 at $21.98 on the New York Stock Exchange.

The case is Trusky v. General Motors Co, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan, No. 11-12815. (Editing by Robert MacMillan)

AntZ
08-25-2011, 08:27 AM
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All these people just don't understand! Dear Leader says the warranties are guaranteed! So they have nothing to worry about! [-(

Just don't ask for details! He will reveal that plan AFTER he's reelected!


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U.S. will guarantee GM, Chrysler warranties, Obama says

By: Neil Roland And Richard Truett,

Automotive News on 3/30/2009

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In a bid to boost flagging auto sales, the federal government will pay for any warranty repairs on a General Motors or Chrysler vehicle if either company can't because of financial problems or a bankruptcy filing, President Barack Obama said on Monday.

"Let me say this as plainly as I can. If you buy a car from Chrysler or General Motors, you will be able to get your car serviced and repaired just like always," Obama said in a speech. "Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it has ever been. Because starting today, the United States will stand behind your warranty."

GM and Chrysler are at a high risk of bankruptcy as they face some of the lowest U.S. sales rates in 27 years, analysts have said. The government on Monday took several actions to help shore up the two automakers after forcing the resignation of GM CEO Rick Wagoner.

"Given where the industry is, these highly unprecedented actions are consistent with the unprecedented times we're in," Standard & Poor's analyst Robert Schulz told Reuters today.

Both companies have said that bankruptcy would snuff out sales because consumers wouldn't buy a car from a company that might not be around to honor the warranty and provide service and spare parts.

Any funds for the warranty program will come from the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) provided by Congress, according to White House fact sheet on warrantees that was distributed last night.

Support for scrapping incentive

Obama also on Monday said he will work with Congress to try to fund credits for consumers who turn in old cars and buy cleaner, more fuel-efficient automobiles.

Programs of this kind "have been successful in boosting auto sales in a number of European countries," Obama said the news conference. The auto scrapping program is part of a larger administration effort to increase car sales and modernize manufacturers' fleets.

Obama said he also will try to speed up programs to support immediate demand for auto sales. The administration will try to accelerate federal purchases of government cars and increase the flow of credit to consumers and dealers.

Also on Monday, the Internal Revenue Service will start a campaign to alert consumers of a new tax benefit for car purchases made between Feb. 16 and the end of the year, Obama said.

Partisan reactions

Lawmakers responded to Obama's initiatives along partisan lines.

U.S. Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., a member of the Senate Banking Committee, said the administration used the Wagoner firing as a "sideshow to distract us from the fact that the administration has no progress to announce today.

"The administration is pursuing much of what we pushed for in December, but the delay of several months has increased the severity and sent billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain. Now any investment is likely unrecoverable and we are putting more and more jobs at the OEMs (original equipment manufacturers) and the supply chain at risk in a politically charged environment."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed support for Obama's plans.

"We will not give these companies a blank check," the Nevada Democrat said in a statement. "If these companies do not develop strong plans to remain viable in the long term, they will lose our support."


http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090330/CARNEWS/903309977

FBD
08-25-2011, 11:38 AM
"Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it has ever been. Because starting today, the United States will stand behind your warranty."

hahahahahaha who the fug does he think he is, kim jong fkn obama?

redred
08-25-2011, 11:51 AM
:lol: loving how this starts off as a car thread then ends up another blame obama thread keep up the good work :nana:

AntZ
08-25-2011, 12:03 PM
:lol: loving how this starts off as a car thread then ends up another blame obama thread keep up the good work :nana:

Hold on there!

Did you read the thread?

Obama bailed out GM and stood and told the country that they should buy and have no fears, along with the fact that the warranties will be honored. Now GM is doing exactly what Obama promised would NOT happen. This absolutely involves Obama!

Now watch this video and tell us if Obama is involved with this issue or not!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ARBz4n2fI8

redred
08-25-2011, 12:10 PM
no i just read the car stuff it's more interesting ,we've had cases like that over here rover/mg and i've always wondered about the warranty side of things when it goes tits up

Acid Trip
08-25-2011, 03:30 PM
no i just read the car stuff it's more interesting ,we've had cases like that over here rover/mg and i've always wondered about the warranty side of things when it goes tits up

So it doesn't make sense to involve the person who guaranteed those warranties despite the fact they aren't being honored? An interesting train of thought.

FBD
08-25-2011, 04:54 PM
well, that was one of the huge arguments in favor of gubmint motors - namely, that by cheating the history of bankruptcy, we'd avoid all of these terrible things that could happen if we let the normal rules of bankruptcy prevail.

sounds a bit like "if we pass this stimulus and give a shitload of money out, the unemployment will not go above 8%" :lol:

and then the "unexpected" results, as predicted by those racist conservatives :lol: