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Teh One Who Knocks
08-27-2011, 11:35 AM
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


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SANFORD — Alexis Cason was on her way to school one morning when she spotted two Oviedo police officers on the side of the road. She flashed her headlights to warn other drivers about the speed trap ahead. Moments later, another cop pulled her over and wrote her a ticket, saying she'd just broken the law by flashing her lights.

Law, she asked, what law?

Cason, 22, challenged the ticket and won. A lawsuit filed this week claims that 2,900 motorists were ticketed — illegally — in Florida for the same thing from 2005 to 2010.

An Oviedo law firm — the same one that persuaded a Seminole County judge to toss Cason's ticket — is asking a judge in Tallahassee to bar Florida cops from writing tickets when motorists flash their headlights.


There is no Florida law that prohibits light-flashing, said Oviedo attorney J. Marcus Jones. He claims officers are simply twisting a law that was designed to prohibit drivers from adding after-market emergency lights to their vehicles.

When officers write those tickets, he said, they violate a driver's constitutional right to free speech. If motorists want to flash their lights to warn about a speed trap ahead, they are free to do so, according to his suit.

The suit, filed Wednesday, asks Circuit Judge James O. Shelfer in Tallahassee to certify the case as a class action on behalf of every motorist in Florida who was ticketed for that offense from 2005 to 2010.

It also asks Shelfer to issue an injunction, banning all Florida cops from writing those tickets, to reimburse drivers for the fines they've paid and to rule that officers are misapplying a law about add-on emergency lights.

The state has not yet responded to the suit.

"We don't comment on any pending lawsuit that we're involved in," said Capt. Mark Welch of the Florida Highway Patrol.

The lead plaintiff is Erich Campbell, 38, a Tampa-area man who was ticketed two years ago by a state trooper.

"At $100, nobody challenges these nonmoving violations," he said. "It's a principle thing to me."

He did some research and discovered that Cason had successfully fought back, so he hired the same law firm and, he, too, got a judge to toss the ticket.

According to the suit, "There was no legitimate basis for pulling over Campbell's vehicle and detaining him and his passengers when they had committed no cognizable offense."

Cops who write those tickets, according to the suit, engage in behavior that is "illegal, wrongful and unconstitutional." They subject motorists to unwarranted seizures — the money they must pay in traffic fines — the suit alleges.

They also are guilty of racketeering, the suit alleges, "an ongoing enterprise … (of) theft, misuse of office and extortion," according to the suit.

Authorities should have taken note six years ago when Seminole County Judge Donald Marblestone threw out Cason's ticket, declaring the statute has nothing to do with a driver using his headlights to warn about police activity, the suit alleges.

The FHP and the state Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles could not say how many tickets Florida cops write each year for that offense.

Jones' law firm has challenged five headlight-flashing tickets in five Florida counties in the past six years and prevailed each time, according to the suit. Those include Seminole, Osceola, Hillsborough, Escambia and St. Lucie counties.

Jones hopes to win again soon in Seminole.

Two weeks ago his firm filed a similar suit — but smaller in scope — in state Circuit Court in Sanford. It alleges that the Seminole County Sheriff's Office violated the free speech rights of Ryan Kintner, a 25-year-old Lake Mary man, when a deputy discovered him using his headlights to tip off neighbors about a speed trap near his home.

"I felt an injustice was being done," Kintner said. "I have nothing against officers … keeping speeding down, but when you cross a line and get into free speech, I feel it's gone too far."

His suit asks Circuit Judge Alan Dickey to order the Seminole County Sheriff's Office to stop writing those tickets.

Seminole deputies will keep on writing them as long as the statute is in effect, according to Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Kim Cannaday.

Goofy
08-27-2011, 12:21 PM
She can flash her headlights at me anytime :face:

AntZ
08-27-2011, 03:02 PM
In most cases I support the police, but in cases like this, I hate it when the police use their positions to do what ever they want! I completely support this law suit!

Teh One Who Knocks
08-27-2011, 03:14 PM
In most cases I support the police, but in cases like this, I hate it when the police use their positions to do what ever they want! I completely support this law suit!

Yeah, to me speed traps are lazy police work....and it's even worse now that a lot of places use unmanned/automated speed traps. They are nothing more than to raise revenue for the locale they are set up in.

Hal-9000
08-27-2011, 10:18 PM
Yeah, to me speed traps are lazy police work....and it's even worse now that a lot of places use unmanned/automated speed traps. They are nothing more than to raise revenue for the locale they are set up in.

And to catch people breaking the law :thumbsup:

Loser
08-27-2011, 10:36 PM
As much as I hate speed traps, they serve their purpose well. A common misconception though, speed traps are not set up in random locations, they always set them up in places where they get the most complaints of speeders.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-27-2011, 10:44 PM
As much as I hate speed traps, they serve their purpose well. A common misconception though, speed traps are not set up in random locations, they always set them up in places where they get the most complaints of speeders.

I didn't realize there were people that lived on the interstate that complained about speeders ;)

Hal-9000
08-27-2011, 10:50 PM
As much as I hate speed traps, they serve their purpose well. A common misconception though, speed traps are not set up in random locations, they always set them up in places where they get the most complaints of speeders.

I don't think anyone should speed unless it's an emergency.Getting to work, going to the store or just daydreaming are not emergencies...and yes I've had my picture taken and talked to cops on the side of the road a few times :oops:

JoeyB
08-27-2011, 10:51 PM
And to catch people breaking the law :thumbsup:


As much as I hate speed traps, they serve their purpose well. A common misconception though, speed traps are not set up in random locations, they always set them up in places where they get the most complaints of speeders.

Agreed. Speed traps, hated as they are, are useful and a true safety feature. Like it or not, speed kills. I think people still have negative connotations associated with hick police doing shady traps in unmarked areas. This is not what is being discussed here. Nonetheless people have a right to warn others and I support that; and the brilliant part is, warning people has the same function, it slows them down and reduces accidents. Victory either way.

Hal-9000
08-27-2011, 10:59 PM
We have a spot for multi-nova speeding tickets (picture tickets).I know where it is and I've had my picture taken there.My only complaint is that at night when the multi-nova camera flashes, it's pretty bright if you're looking in your mirror.A danger in itself :lol:

I agree with Joe on this issue...we should be able to warn others and it does have the desired effect of slowing traffic :thumbsup:

Godfather
08-28-2011, 02:40 AM
I always flash my lights. I know it's illegal too so it feels kinda extra awesome.

Unmanned peed traps aren't used here, they haven't been for quite some time. Which is good... those things are bullshit. Getting tickets in the mail for going 63 in a 60 zone while coming down a hill? F-that. And everyone has the right to face their accuser... which in that case is a robot :lol:

Although... we have red-light cameras :-k

Southern Belle
08-28-2011, 01:34 PM
If the police would stay out patrolling as they should, people wouldn't be speeding. Police hiding to catch people speeding doesn't deter speeding in any way.
I always flash my lights when I see them hiding.
I also flash my lights when there is a wreck or anything along the road that people should know about and slow down before they get there.

Deepsepia
08-28-2011, 09:40 PM
She can flash her headlights at me anytime :face:

took the words out of my mouth .. .

It cannot be a violation to communicate to another about visible police activities.

On rural interstates, drivers frequently flash brights to give warning of various road hazards (more often wildlife than speed traps, as we've got very few of those)

Truckers have long chatted over CB about locations of speed traps.

Unexpected speed traps are themselves road hazards, as folks hit the brakes cresting a hill . . . useful to have a heads up.

Acid Trip
08-29-2011, 02:46 PM
Good for her! She should sue for punitive damages for every ticket of that kind on record. The damages should come directly from the ticketing officers paycheck and go to the Red Cross or something.

On a side note, in 2008 the Texas legislature banned all unmanned speed cameras. I love my state.