PDA

View Full Version : Grandpa Charged With Forcing Grand Canyon Hikes



Teh One Who Knocks
09-02-2011, 03:20 PM
The Associated Press


http://i.imgur.com/B4RzB.jpg

FLAGSTAFF, Arizona – A 45-year-old grandfather forced his three young grandsons to hike 18 miles (29 kilometers) in triple-digit heat at the Grand Canyon and denied them food and water, authorities said.

Christopher Carlson remained jailed Thursday on six counts of child abuse. The boys, ages 12, 9 and 8, told investigators that they had been hit, pushed, choked, pinched and squeezed during trips on a popular trail at the canyon's South Rim last month.

On the latest hike over the weekend down the Bright Angel Trail, temperatures reached 108 degrees (42 Celsius) at Phantom Ranch along the Colorado River. A ranger spotted the group with binoculars on the trail and saw Carlson shoving the oldest boy and whipping him with a rolled-up T-shirt, authorities said.

National Park Service Special Agent Chris Smith testified that Carlson told authorities that the boys had been overweight and that he thought the hike would get them into shape.

"He told me that he loved his grandchildren very much, but at the same time there were tough people in the world and his grandchildren needed to be tough as well," Smith said.

Authorities said Carlson tortured and beat the boys, and instructed them to lie to park rangers about any injuries. Rangers and passers-by noted the alleged abuse by Carlson, according to court documents.

The boys said Carlson also forced their fingers down their throats, making them vomit.

Rangers fed and hydrated the boys inside an ambulance and they were placed in the care of child protective services. One boy had symptoms of heat stroke, while the other two exhibited signs of heat exhaustion and dehydration.

Carlson took the children on the latest hike on Aug. 28. A man died the same day on another trail at the Grand Canyon due to heat exposure.

Defense attorney Luke Mulligan questioned the children's statements, saying it seemed improbable that they could have completed the hike without food and water. He also said the rangers could have removed the children from the canyon had they believed the children were at risk of serious injury or death.

"If the rangers didn't perceive it, are we going to put an extra burden on my client to perceive it?" Mulligan said.

But prosecutors said a ranger was successful in preventing Carlson from reaching the river on an earlier hike on Aug. 15, cooling down the children and giving a heads-up to other authorities in the park. Camille Bibles said Carlson was intent on avoiding rangers during the second trip.

"We're looking at the defendant's actions here, not putting the rangers on trial," she said.

A federal magistrate found probable cause for allegations of child abuse and determined that Carlson, 45, was a flight risk and a danger to children.

The boy's mother, Tara Danaher, of Indianapolis, sobbed at a court hearing Thursday. She said her children went on trips with their grandfather this summer, including to Central America and Jamaica, where they have family friends. The highlight of the latest trip that included the Grand Canyon was supposed to be Disneyland, she said.

Danaher, 28, said she talked with her children throughout the summer and that they never expressed any concerns.

"I don't want to say I can't believe it because anything is possible in this world," she said during breaks in the hearing. "I want to know what the hell happened."

August is the busiest month for search and rescue operations, with heat being the leading contributing factor, according to the Park Service. Of the 286 rescue operations last year, 75 percent of them occurred on the Bright Angel Trail.

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 03:28 PM
fuckin fat little bastards, eat a salad.

Muddy
09-02-2011, 03:40 PM
"A 45-year-old grandfather" & "The boys, ages 12, 9 and 8.."

Something doesn't seem right about these statements...

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 03:49 PM
And look at the guy in the picture, thats a good looking 45.

Godfather
09-02-2011, 03:50 PM
A ranger spotted the group with binoculars on the trail and saw Carlson shoving the oldest boy and whipping him with a rolled-up T-shirt, authorities said.

Sounds like a lovely guy

Muddy
09-02-2011, 03:55 PM
Sounds like a lovely guy

He was probably dealing with a fat, smart mouthed, whining brat..

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 04:01 PM
Exactly. Some kids are just fat pussies and need a strong hand to guide them

Loser
09-02-2011, 04:04 PM
He was probably dealing with a fat, smart mouthed, whining brat..

This.

Godfather
09-02-2011, 04:19 PM
He was probably dealing with a fat, smart mouthed, whining brat..

So he drags them through the 100+ degree heat with no water?! It could have killed them or many of us. And besides, it's probably his fault they're fat little shits anyways. Raising them on MacDonald and reruns of UFC 1-10.

There are tough people out there he says :roll: This guy is a dipshit who has fried his brain sucking in all the drywall he instals.

Muddy
09-02-2011, 04:22 PM
So he drags them through the 100+ degree heat with no water for hours?! It could have killed them, and besides, it's probably his fault they're fat little shits anyways. Raising them on MacDonald and reruns of UFC 1-10.

There are tough people out there he says :roll: This guy is a dipshit who has fried his brain sucking in all the drywall he instals.

He's their Grandfather so he probably didn't raise them.

Godfather
09-02-2011, 04:24 PM
I watch Cops.. Grandparents are the backbone of ghettos everywhere :lol:

Muddy
09-02-2011, 04:25 PM
My grandfather was a champ... Taught me most of the values I keep.

Godfather
09-02-2011, 04:27 PM
Mine were great men too... but I still don't get how everyone can blame the kids for a grandfather pinching hitting punching choking and pushing his thirsty grandkids around in the desert :lol:

Muddy
09-02-2011, 04:30 PM
The whole problem here is we have kids raising kids... Thats probably why the grandkids are fat and lazy... The parents don't give a shit about them.. So Grandpa gets sick of hearing everybody whine one day, and go's and takes them on a hike to shut some mouths.. :mrgreen:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-02-2011, 04:30 PM
He was probably dealing with a fat, smart mouthed, whining brat..


Exactly. Some kids are just fat pussies and need a strong hand to guide them

If that's the way you guys feel about child care, send your kids to me then ;)

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 04:32 PM
If that's the way you guys feel about child care, send your kids to me then ;)

only fat kids :lol:

Muddy
09-02-2011, 04:32 PM
:lol:

Godfather
09-02-2011, 04:34 PM
The whole problem here is we have kids raising kids... Thats probably why the grandkids are fat and lazy... The parents don't give a shit about them.. So Grandpa gets sick of hearing everybody whine one day, and go's and takes them on a hike to shut some mouths.. :mrgreen:

For sure... I'm sure they'll make great parents themselves too when they turn 15. They have only great experiences to draw on: Fat lazy parents - abusive psychotic grandparents. Maybe they'll just even out :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 04:34 PM
Speaking of kids raising kids.
Gramps is 45, the oldest kid is 12 so he was 33 when the first kid was born. So he had his kid at 17 and and they had his first grandchild at 16???? WTF

Muddy
09-02-2011, 04:36 PM
Speaking of kids raising kids.
Gramps is 45, the oldest kid is 12 so he was 33 when the first kid was born. So he had his kid at 17 and and they had his first grandchild at 16???? WTF


"A 45-year-old grandfather" & "The boys, ages 12, 9 and 8.."

Something doesn't seem right about these statements...

*sigh*

PorkChopSandwiches
09-02-2011, 04:44 PM
Im agreeing with you, its probably what happened, and not a typo

Muddy
09-02-2011, 05:21 PM
*neck chop*

Hal-9000
09-02-2011, 06:14 PM
And look at the guy in the picture, thats a good looking 45.

I look better

Hal-9000
09-02-2011, 06:16 PM
You what's going to happen...the kids will become so traumatized by the hike from hell, that they'll never leave the house again :lol:

Hey kids, wanna go swimming? :)
Nooooo! :shock:

we're playing X-box until we're 50

Hal-9000
09-02-2011, 06:44 PM
that's FBD :shock:



holy underwear..

Acid Trip
09-02-2011, 06:56 PM
My grandfather was a champ... Taught me most of the values I keep.

My grandpa taught me how to cheat at cards and golf. :rip:

Acid Trip
09-02-2011, 06:57 PM
You what's going to happen...the kids will become so traumatized by the hike from hell, that they'll never leave the house again :lol:



They'll get disability and live off the system for life now.

Hal-9000
09-02-2011, 07:01 PM
I have a fair amount of simulators on pc

been looking for a good weight lifting sim..

Teh One Who Knocks
09-02-2011, 07:49 PM
I have a fair amount of simulators on pc

been looking for a good weight lifting sim..

You haven't mastered this one yet :hand:

http://i.imgur.com/LpQbH.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
09-02-2011, 07:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Nvisc.jpg

Oooo...with all new vehicles :)

Hal-9000
09-02-2011, 08:01 PM
I liked the Warehouse Simulator :lol:

Organize, warehouse and lose zillions of dollars worth of stock...

yup I'll get right on that :|

Joebob034
09-02-2011, 08:23 PM
makin men outta them boys

Muddy
09-02-2011, 08:25 PM
Grampa will beat your fuckin asss... :lol:

Griffin
09-02-2011, 08:36 PM
I guess I've doing the grandparent thing all wrong...so much for me getting grandpa of the year. *sigh*

deebakes
09-02-2011, 10:28 PM
Give the kids the chair :hand: