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Teh One Who Knocks
09-17-2011, 03:08 PM
By Eoghan Macguire, for CNN


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(CNN) -- An encoding device synonymous with one of the most remarkable episodes of World War II espionage will go under the hammer in London later this month.

A version of the three rotor Enigma machine -- used by the German military to encrypt messages, the code of which was subsequently cracked by a team at the legendary Bletchley Park complex -- will be auctioned at Christie's on September 29.

Although the number of the ciphering machines still in existence is thought to remain in the thousands, "it is rare for one to come up for sale," says Christie's specialist, James Hyslop. "Many are believed to have been produced but it's not a particularly high survival," he adds.

During the wartime period, the Enigma machine was the most advanced device of its kind, a forerunner of the first modern computer systems.

Originally produced by a Dutch company for commercial use in the aftermath of the First World War, the technology was snapped up for sole use by the German military in 1929.

Employing a complex series of interchangeable rotors, the machine would encode messages before sending them via Morse code to an identical device in another location.

If the receiving Enigma was attuned to the same settings -- one of a possible 158 million million million combinations -- the encrypted message would then be automatically decoded.

The mindboggling numbers involved led the Germans to believe that it was "impossible to crack" the Enigma, Hyslop explains, hence its importance to the Nazi war machine.

Unbeknown to Hitler's charges however, a group of code breakers based at Bletchley Park in the English countryside had devised a way to do just that.

Led by the English mathematician Alan Turing, this small army of cryptologists, linguists, scientists and data analysts managed to create a system that at its peak was breaking as many as 6,000 encrypted German Enigma messages every day.

"The importance of the Enigma machine and the efforts of those at Bletchley to decode it cannot be underestimated," says Simon Greenish, Director of the Bletchley Park Museum.

"Historians have, until comparatively recently, recognized that Bletchley played a very significant part in the war, shortening it by at least two years," he says. "But some are now beginning to say that perhaps it made the difference in terms of winning (the war)."

The extraordinary efforts of those involved, Greenish adds, played a vital role in gathering the intelligence that helped shape pivotal battles such as D-Day, the Russian campaign, the North African campaign and the battle for the Atlantic.

Greenish claims the role played by the Enigma in determining the outcome of WWII alone is enough to guarantee its status as a relic of great historical importance.

But according to Hyslop, the machine's significance goes way beyond its wartime contribution.

Its technological complexity also makes it an attractive item to collectors of "early science, mathematics, history and computing instruments," he says.

"In November last year, we set the world record price (£67,250, $106,164) for an Enigma machine at auction," says Hyslop.

Given that the market for scientific devices of rich historical importance have remained unaffected by the financial downturn, he adds "we're hoping we might be able to push that again this time round."

deebakes
09-17-2011, 03:23 PM
:wank:

Hal-9000
09-17-2011, 05:54 PM
that's a really cool story (The Enigma Machine) about how the device and a handful of men changed the course of the war....it was one of those - How would have the war turned out without it scenarios?
We'd probably have names like Meursault and be eating schnitzel constantly..

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 09:41 PM
that's a really cool story (The Enigma Machine) about how the device and a handful of men changed the course of the war....it was one of those - How would have the war turned out without it scenarios?
We'd probably have names like Meursault and be eating schnitzel constantly..

I saw that one, mister...

Muddy
09-19-2011, 09:44 PM
I think the movie U-571 was all about obtaining one of those machines... Good movie..

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 09:48 PM
I think the movie U-571 was all about obtaining one of those machines... Good movie..

it was, but the brits hate it for its historical inacuracy...

Muddy
09-19-2011, 09:49 PM
What do you mean?

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 09:54 PM
there was a good story about one of the mathematicians who originally worked on the code...
I guess he came after a few initial scientists and would sit in the office apparently daydreaming at his desk.
The other guys called him the equivalent of a skiver or a dog fucker, until they realized he cracked the code that broke
German communications :lol:

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 09:56 PM
What do you mean?

in the movie they showed a US sub capturing the device even though the entire operation was apparently hatched and executed by the brits.

Muddy
09-19-2011, 09:58 PM
Gotta sell them tickets, Baby! :lol: ( Id be pissed also)

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 09:59 PM
they never get the villains mixed up though.

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:00 PM
they never get the villains mixed up though.

Was just reading how Germany and Finland decimated Leningrad...you and Jez should be ashamed! :x

Muddy
09-19-2011, 10:00 PM
they never get the villains mixed up though.

:hugs:

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:02 PM
The Enigma machine has always been a mystery to me..


















:dance:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-19-2011, 10:02 PM
:tumble:

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:05 PM
:x

You can't post the tumbleweed at the same time I make my posts fss!!!

you have to give it time


(it's like creepy paparazzi following me everywhere....:()

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 10:06 PM
Was just reading how Germany and Finland decimated Leningrad...you and Jez should be ashamed! :x

don't believe a single world of that vile soviet propaganda. What really happened was the Wehrmacht used their howitzers to lob big loaves of black bread at the poor starving russians, and fucking Stalin's spin doctors claimed they shelled the place instead.

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:07 PM
:lol: the caring communists

Teh One Who Knocks
09-19-2011, 10:08 PM
:x

You can't post the tumbleweed at the same time I make my posts fss!!!

you have to give it time


(it's like creepy paparazzi following me everywhere....:()

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Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:10 PM
hal...candids while out and about at night looking into the windows of other stars...

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 10:13 PM
about as bad as the funny fascists

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:18 PM
I've shot and grenaded over 5000 Germans playing video games...I don't think they'd let me visit Berlin-ville

Muddy
09-19-2011, 10:21 PM
I like the Germans.. They fucked up.. But really, what people wouldn't follow their leader into a bad situation? We count on these people (leaders) to represent and guide us.. Plus with all the propaganda out there, and lack of information sharing at the time...

DemonGeminiX
09-19-2011, 10:25 PM
I had a few friends from Germany in college. Some of the greatest guys I've ever known. I wouldn't hesitate to visit Germany if given the chance.

I actually have a little German in my family heritage, and from what I've been told, my Mom's Uncles know descendants of my German family line somewhere over there.

Teh One Who Knocks
09-19-2011, 10:27 PM
I've been to Germany :dance2:


Well, okay, it was only on a train, unless you count the 30 minute stop in Cologne where we got off the train for a few minutes :sad2:

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:30 PM
Ever since the '76 Olympics I've been afraid of German women :|

Muddy
09-19-2011, 10:30 PM
I want to dance with the techno viking in the streets...

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 10:31 PM
I've shot and grenaded over 5000 Germans playing video games...I don't think they'd let me visit Berlin-ville

as long as you don't talk shit about our cars or our beer, we don't hold grudges.


I like the Germans.. They fucked up.. But really, what people wouldn't follow their leader into a bad situation? We count on these people (leaders) to represent and guide us.. Plus with all the propaganda out there, and lack of information sharing at the time...

I dunno, it's easy to say it from my armchair with over 60 years of freedom behind us, but it seems to me that the entire master race and annihilation business was so obviously evil to the bone that a lot more people should have stood up against it. But then again, it also seems the timewas kinda ripe for this kind of murderous mass frenzy. Nowadays hitler would probably just spend his life in a loony bin or prison instead of running the place.

Muddy
09-19-2011, 10:34 PM
as long as you don't talk shit about our cars or our beer, we don't hold grudges.



I dunno, it's easy to say it from my armchair with over 60 years of freedom behind us, but it seems to me that the entire master race and annihilation business was so obviously evil to the bone that a lot more people should have stood up against it. But then again, it also seems the time was kinda ripe for this kind of murderous mass frenzy. Nowadays hitler would probably just spend his life in a loony bin or prison instead of running the place.

I think it boils down to the sharing of information I mentioned earlier... There wasn't this instant disbursement of info. like we have now..

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 10:41 PM
true, nowadays it would be much easier for the opposition to network covertly

Muddy
09-19-2011, 10:43 PM
The atrocities would have been front and center....

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 10:48 PM
true, nowadays it would be much easier for the opposition to network covertly

I've said it before half jokingly...Eugenics is a good idea in theory when you read some of the latest news stories of the world :lol:

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 11:00 PM
travis bickle got a few things right, too.

Hal-9000
09-19-2011, 11:02 PM
travis bickle got a few things right, too.

You talkin to me? :-s

Arkady Renko
09-19-2011, 11:11 PM
YOU TALKING TO ME?

Muddy
09-19-2011, 11:24 PM
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