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Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 12:58 PM
By Mark Hachman - PC Magazine


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OnStar has begun notifying customers that it may continue to collect and use information about the vehicle even if the customer terminates his or her subscription.

In a privacy notice that will take effect this December, OnStar said that it would collect data as long as a data connection was active, including such details as the location and speed of the vehicle, as well as such fine-grained details as the odometer readings and tire pressure.

The privacy statement lists it as being effective as of Dec. 2011, although the statement also notes that the changes were made to the January 2011 privacy statement.

In the privacy notification, OnStar said that it will share the information it collects with credit card processors and data management companies, as well as roadside assistance providers, emergency services providers, law enforcement, and wireless and satellite service providers.

The data collection can be halted, however; OnStar must deactivate the data connection. "Unless the Data Connection to your Vehicle is deactivated, data about your Vehicle will continue to be collected even if you do not have a Plan," the privacy policy states. "It is important that you convey this to other drivers, occupants, or subsequent owners of your Vehicle. You may deactivate the Data Connection to your Vehicle at any time by contacting an OnStar Advisor."

What data does OnStar collect? The company provides a detailed list:

OnStar collects basic contact information, billing information with credit-card information, and details of the car, such as the make, model, and vehicle identification number (VIN);

vehicle information, including diagnostic trouble codes, oil life, tire pressure, and fuel economy, as well as when your fuel was last refilled;

crash information, including the direction of the crash, whether air bags were deployed, and whether the driver and passenger were wearing their seat belts;

anonymized location information, such as the location and speed of the car, via the installed GPS.

In the latter case, OnStar begins by saying that it only collects the GPS location of the vehicle in case of a crash, or lost vehicle. But it also adds that it may collect the information "when needed by us or our Service Providers for our quality, research or troubleshooting purposes" or simply "for any purpose, at any time, provided that following collection of such location and speed information identifiable to your Vehicle, it is shared only on an anonymized basis."

OnStar also collects information on the details of calls made by the associated Hands-Free Calling service.

In July, OnStar launched the OnStar FMV, an aftermarket rear-view mirror with the OnStar service built in. In July, OnStar also added the capability to track their own cars with a beta service. Ford, which competes against OnStar with its Sync service, also recently announced the capability to allow users to call its customer service centers from within the vehicle to inquire about business addresses and phone numbers.

Whether or not OnStar really anonymizes the data is irrelevant, according to Jonathan Zdziarski, a senior forensic scientist at Via Forensics who wrote about the change in the policy.

"This is too shady, especially for a company that you're supposed to trust your family to," he wrote. "My vehicle's location is my life, it's where I go on a daily basis. It's private. It's mine. I shouldn't have to have a company like OnStar steal my personal and private life just to purchase an emergency response service. Taking my private life and selling it to third party advertisers, law enforcement, and God knows who else is morally inept. Shame on you, OnStar. You disgust me."

OnStar also noted that customers with concerns can email its privacy manager at privacymanager@onstar.com, or call the company at (877) 299-1372.

OnStar representatives could not be reached for comment after hours.

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 02:12 PM
I'm just curious, does anyone here own a GM vehicle?

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 02:20 PM
Not me, and I doubt I will ever consider GM for a vehicle after the whole bailout mess and the stupid government (read: taxpayer) financed credits towards the stupid Chevy Volt.

I'm already looking around at new vehicles and so far all I'm looking at is Ford and Toyota

Muddy
09-22-2011, 02:23 PM
Id consider a GMC 2500 diesel if they got the price right.. They are supposed to be long lasting work horses..

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 02:31 PM
Are you a car or truck guy Lance?

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 02:35 PM
Are you a car or truck guy Lance?

Truck....last 2 vehicles have been Rangers and I have loved them. Never had anything major go wrong with them.

But after an e-mail with a Ford dealer, I might have to go with Toyota next; he said Ford is discontinuing the Ranger and I don't have need of a full-sized truck.

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 02:52 PM
My buddy has a Honda Ridgeline and he absolutely loves it. It's bigger than a Ranger but by no means a full size pickup.

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 02:54 PM
I'm not crazy about the looks of the Ridgeline

Muddy
09-22-2011, 03:08 PM
A fella here at work has a Ridgeline and he didn't flush the transmission at 60k miles or whatever they recommend.. The transmission went out.. He drives in a typically hilly area.. I wouldn't recommend that vehicle Lance, given where you live.

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 03:12 PM
I'm not crazy about the looks of the Ridgeline

I hear you. I wasn't crazy about the Honda Element when my wife wanted one because it's a huge box on wheels. I have to tell you though it's a perfect little SUV. Tons of room inside, all wheel drive, rubberized flooring so dirt/rocks/snow are easily removed, and decent gas mileage.

After we bought it I quickly stopped giving a shit how a car looked as long as it was reliable and did what we wanted.

Look at the cool shit her Element can do. Park somewhere and you can turn the inside into a huge bed!

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2007/december_2007/dec07_honda-element-2.jpg

Outside (wrong color but same year)

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2007/december_2007/dec07_honda-element-1.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 03:13 PM
http://www.mountainstatestoyota.com/new/Toyota/2011-Toyota-Tacoma-8568c1230a0d06490190b03ce492d3b4.htm#

I just found this one that I kinda like

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 03:13 PM
A fella here at work has a Ridgeline and he didn't flush the transmission at 60k miles or whatever they recommend.. The transmission went out.. He drives in a typically hilly area.. I wouldn't recommend that vehicle Lance, given where you live.

So you are going to knock one of the most reliable trucks on the market because the owner was an idiot and didn't flush the transmission when he was supposed to? Ok....

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 03:14 PM
I hear you. I wasn't crazy about the Honda Element when my wife wanted one because it's a huge box on wheels. I have to tell you though it's a perfect little SUV. Tons of room inside, all wheel drive, rubberized flooring so dirt/rocks/snow are easily removed, and decent gas mileage.

After we bought it I quickly stopped giving a shit how a car looked as long as it was reliable and did what we wanted.

Look at the cool shit her Element can do. Park somewhere and you can turn the inside into a huge bed!

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2007/december_2007/dec07_honda-element-2.jpg

Outside (wrong color but same year)

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2007/december_2007/dec07_honda-element-1.jpg

Yeah, that's kinda cool, but I still want it to look like a truck :lol:

The Ridgeline looks too much like the Chevy Avalanche which I think are horribly ugly.

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 03:16 PM
Yeah, that's kinda cool, but I still want it to look like a truck :lol:

The Ridgeline looks too much like the Chevy Avalanche which I think are horribly ugly.

Man the Avalanche was a total disaster for Chevy! Sort of like the Aztek for Pontiac.

Muddy
09-22-2011, 03:19 PM
So you are going to knock one of the most reliable trucks on the market because the owner was an idiot and didn't flush the transmission when he was supposed to? Ok....

Absolutely... The guy was at 61k or something.. It wasn't like a total gross neglect of maintenance.. And from my seat it isn't one of the most reliable when used in a hilly environment.. It may be fine driving across flat Texas with no hills or snow or anything out of the ordinary that a car couldn't handle. But as a "truck"? Hell no...

Teh One Who Knocks
09-22-2011, 03:32 PM
http://www.mountainstatestoyota.com/new/Toyota/2011-Toyota-Tacoma-8568c1230a0d06490190b03ce492d3b4.htm#

I just found this one that I kinda like

http://www.mountainstatestoyota.com/new/Toyota/2011-Toyota-Tundra-69d015e70a0d06490141fedb5b3b42ec.htm

I can actually get a Tundra for about the same price :wha:

Muddy
09-22-2011, 03:38 PM
The Mpg's suck on trucks..

Acid Trip
09-22-2011, 03:44 PM
It may be fine driving across flat Texas with no hills or snow or anything out of the ordinary that a car couldn't handle. But as a "truck"? Hell no...

Oh look, it's another out-of-stater thinking they know something about Texas. Central to West Texas is VERY hilly and gets snow as well.


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Muddy
09-22-2011, 03:55 PM
Oh look, it's another out-of-stater thinking they know something about Texas. Central to West Texas is VERY hilly and gets snow as well.


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:tumble:

FBD
09-22-2011, 09:57 PM
that honda element is fantastically ugly! cant buy something that ugly :lol:

they're discontinuing the ranger? sheeit.

as long as they dont drop the explorer :dance:

and fk GM.

and FK Onstar. if I had that crap in my car I would rip it out and mail it to onstar with a big middle finger attached. :razz:

Hal-9000
09-22-2011, 10:52 PM
I'm just curious, does anyone here own a GM vehicle?

Father has a Buick Allure with Onstar.He swears by it as he doesn't have a cell phone.The added safety features of Onstar are pretty cool....what they're talking about in this article is not cool however.They can't use data from a vehicle without the owner's permission.

Hal-9000
09-22-2011, 10:54 PM
So you are going to knock one of the most reliable trucks on the market because the owner was an idiot and didn't flush the transmission when he was supposed to? Ok....

Wait wait...who cares if the guy lives in a mountain area or drives on hills? Owner didn't flush his transmission right at 60k so the vehicle crapped out? Seems a little weak to me...

JoeyB
09-22-2011, 10:57 PM
and FK Onstar. if I had that crap in my car I would rip it out and mail it to onstar with a big middle finger attached. :razz:

Now, where exactly are you getting these middle fingers from?


:tumble:

Seconded.

Godfather
09-23-2011, 07:06 AM
Truck....last 2 vehicles have been Rangers and I have loved them. Never had anything major go wrong with them.

But after an e-mail with a Ford dealer, I might have to go with Toyota next; he said Ford is discontinuing the Ranger and I don't have need of a full-sized truck.

WTF? Discontinuing the ranger seems strange. There are tons on the road and they're priced great. I guess there are always the Mazda B series, they're effectively the same.

Although the Tacoma is one awesome vehicle. Easily my favorite truck, just expensive.