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redred
09-23-2011, 11:54 PM
US officials now say the fall to Earth of Nasa's six-tonne UARS satellite could occur early on Saturday (GMT).

Estimates of where debris might fall will be narrowed hours before impact.

And a UK team studying the trajectory says the most likely time for re-entry could be after 23:00 GMT Friday, and as late as 03:00 GMT on Saturday.

Most of the decommissioned and now unpowered spacecraft should simply burn up, but modelling work suggests perhaps 500kg could survive to the surface.

UARS is the largest American space agency satellite to return uncontrolled into the atmosphere in about 30 years.

As of 15:30 GMT on Friday, the satellite was orbiting at an altitude between 160km and 170km (100 miles by 105 miles).

If the estimates for its re-entry are correct, it means the spacecraft will not come in over North America.

"The spacecraft orbits the Earth in 90 minutes, so even if we're off by a few minutes in the prediction - that's thousands of kilometres down range," said Mark Matney, an orbital debris scientist from Nasa's Johnson Space Center.

"We'll be able to know generally a few hours before, but we'll only get a final report after it re-enters. Even then, we won't know where the pieces fall because they'll be scattered over a 500-mile path," he told BBC News.

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Statistically speaking, the most likely epitaph for the satellite is UARS R.I.P. (Remains In Pacific)”

Dr Stuart Eves
Kettering Group
The Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS) will start to tumble rapidly when it engages the top of the atmosphere, about 100km up.

Mechanical forces will rip off less robust structures such as the solar array and antennas.

The heating that the satellite then experiences as it plunges deeper into the atmosphere will start to deform and melt low-temperature materials and then vaporise them.

Components expected to survive are made from high-temperature metals such as stainless steel, titanium and beryllium.

Some 26 items have been suggested as impactors. The largest is one of UARS' instrument tables and weighs over 150kg.

With more than 70% of the Earth's surface covered by water, the chances are that any debris will fall into the ocean.

But if the re-entry does occur over populated areas of land, it should make for a spectacular streak across the sky, even in daylight.


Astrophotographer Thierry Legault's video of the falling UARS
The British Kettering Group of amateur satellite observers has been running predictions based on orbital data released by US authorities.

The group's latest estimates put a re-entry somewhere between 23:00 GMT and 15:00 GMT (00:00-16:00 BST).

"Statistically speaking, the most likely epitaph for the satellite is UARS R.I.P. (Remains In Pacific)," said group member Dr Stuart Eves.

"But there is still a chance that observers in the UK with clear skies could be treated to a 'fireball' display moving generally from north-west to south-east across the sky."

The UARS satellite was deployed in 1991 from the space shuttle Discovery on a mission to study the Earth's upper atmosphere.

It contributed important new understanding on subjects such as the chemistry of the protective ozone layer and the cooling effect volcanoes can exert on the global climate.

Liability question
Nasa has warned members of the public not to touch any pieces of the spacecraft that may survive the re-entry, urging them to contact local law enforcement authorities.

"I've seen some things that have re-entered and they tend to have sharp edges, so there's a little concern that they might hurt themselves if they try to pick them up," said Dr Matney.

Experts have calculated the probability of anyone anywhere on Earth being injured by a falling UARS component as 1 in 3,200.

Under the terms of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, the US government retains ownership of the debris and could, if it so wished, seek to take possession of any items found on the ground.

With those ownership rights also comes absolute liability if a piece of UARS were to damage property or injure someone.

"There is something called international responsibility; they're internationally liable," explained Joanne Wheeler of law firm CMS Cameron McKenna, and an expert representative for the UK on the UN Subcommittee for the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space.

"The Americans have to retain jurisdiction and control, and that pretty much can be interpreted as ownership. So they own it up there, they own it if it comes down to Earth and they're liable if it crashes into something."

Tracking stations will typically witness the uncontrolled return of at least one piece of space debris every day; and on average, one intact defunct spacecraft or old rocket body will come back into the atmosphere every week.

Something the size of UARS is seen perhaps once a year. Much larger objects such as space station cargo ships return from orbit several times a year, but they are equipped with thrusters capable of guiding their dive into a remote part of the Southern Ocean.


UARS orbits the Earth between 57 degrees North and South
Nasa calculates some 26 components may survive the fall to Earth
The largest is a moveable instrument platform weighing almost 160kg
In total, about half a tonne may make it all the way to the surface
The risk of any one of 7bn people being hit is 1 in 3,200, Nasa says
Jo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15034073

redred
09-23-2011, 11:55 PM
right all i hope is that it doesn't wake me up i've had a few ciders and could do without it

Hugh_Janus
09-24-2011, 12:38 AM
with the week I've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if the fucker landed on my head

Hal-9000
09-24-2011, 01:21 AM
We first heard it will miss everyone and hit the ocean..then they said northern Russia, then northern Canada *gulp* and now it's below the equator in the ocean...

1/3200 probability you'll get a piece landing on your head..out of 7 billion? I'm staying indoors tonight..

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 01:23 AM
If there's any justice in this world, it'll land on Ahmadinejad.

Hal-9000
09-24-2011, 01:28 AM
500kg of white hot metal, exploding into bits over a 500 mile area...this could get wild

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 01:33 AM
If it hits my car, I'm suing space.

8-[

Hal-9000
09-24-2011, 01:35 AM
:lol:


I brought that up today...asked what happens if chunks hit your house or car.Does you insurance cover it? Guys at work didn't know.

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 01:38 AM
I think insurance companies would call that an "act of God", which I find ironic because the damn thing was probably built by a bunch of freakin' atheists.

JoeyB
09-24-2011, 06:32 AM
:lol:


I brought that up today...asked what happens if chunks hit your house or car.Does you insurance cover it? Guys at work didn't know.

I know you despise facebook, but Allstate Insurance was addressing this earlier over there and said most homeowner policies would cover the damages.

Godfather
09-24-2011, 07:08 AM
(insurance guy chimes in - my knowledge is based on my province but may apply elsewhere)

Most Comprehensive (all-risk) homeowners policies do cover falling aircraft and spacecraft as well as falling debris, as do comp policies for tenants and condos. If you carry comprehensive or specified perils coverage on your vehicle you should have coverage as well.

Broad form and Fire & EC policies may not offer this coverage however.

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 07:39 AM
I think my last comment in this thread was funny.

[-(

Godfather
09-24-2011, 07:46 AM
Maybe :lol: But "Act of god" isn't in any insurance policy I have ever seen... I've read that 50% of Canadians don't think there is coverage for any 'act of God,' which is just incorrect. At least up here, such wordings are a myth and even in a basic policy many 'acts of god' are covered.

Forest-fire, lightening, hail and snow storms are included... even earthquake coverage can be purchased.

Even for atheists :lol:

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 07:54 AM
:|

Godfather
09-24-2011, 07:56 AM
Insurance is killing me on the inside isn't it :-k

JoeyB
09-24-2011, 07:59 AM
I think my last comment in this thread was funny.

[-(

Buck up little camper, it was funny.


Insurance is killing me on the inside isn't it :-k

You're already dead.

DemonGeminiX
09-24-2011, 07:59 AM
GF, you make me wanna cry.

:facepalm:















:lol:

Godfather
09-24-2011, 08:03 AM
:lol: Some days I wana cry too


Anyways... I have to go to bed. Insurance isn't going to sell itself on a beautiful Saturday morning :meh:

JoeyB
09-24-2011, 08:04 AM
GF, you make me wanna cry.

:facepalm:















:lol:

I take back my comment.

Teh One Who Knocks
09-24-2011, 11:09 AM
They said on the news last night that you have a better chance of winning the Powerball lottery jackpot than you do of getting hit by a piece of this satellite

redred
09-24-2011, 11:32 AM
They said on the news last night that you have a better chance of winning the Powerball lottery jackpot than you do of getting hit by a piece of this satellite

i don't know my head feels like i got hit by a satellite ,damn cider

beowulf
09-24-2011, 06:58 PM
allegedly a bit fell near calgary................im disapointed.......took me hours to paint that bullseye on hals house and it still missed! :meh: