The Walking Dead/Fear the Walking Dead (Beware of Spoilers)

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Rick is soooo gonna use the red machete on that dude...:tup:

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http://i.imgur.com/7MxKIHw.jpg

[Griffin]

The FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit was one fingerprint away from busting Carol when the apocalypse hit.

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Hey kids do you want Auntie Carol to read you all a bedtime story? :)



Noooooooooooooo!!!! :shock: :(

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Well, I didn't see that coming :-k

[DemonGeminiX]

Which part?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The end

[DemonGeminiX]

UFC!!! :cheers:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Things I took away from this episode:

I hate Sasha more and more each episode, I hope she dies and soon

Didn't realize that Michonne had bought that much into Team Alexandria and left Team Rick

The people carving the 'W' on the zombies/people before they change into zombies are making their way towards Alexandria and I think they will show up in the season finale next week

Rick's gonna have one hell of a headache in the morning

[DemonGeminiX]

Somebody had to knock Rick's ass out... he was goin' nuts.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Carol helped push him in that direction :nono:

[DemonGeminiX]

Things I took away from this episode:

I hate Sasha more and more each episode, I hope she dies and soon

Didn't realize that Michonne had bought that much into Team Alexandria and left Team Rick

The people carving the 'W' on the zombies/people before they change into zombies are making their way towards Alexandria and I think they will show up in the season finale next week

Rick's gonna have one hell of a headache in the morning

Sasha is somebody that I feel sympathy for. She told Noah that he wouldn't make it, in order to try to inspire him to fight harder to survive. Now he's dead. I would feel horrible too, so I can understand where she's coming from. It's a very human thing to be hard, with good intentions, on someone and feel bad when something bad happens to the person you were hard on.

Like I said, Rick was going nuts. Somebody had to knock his ass out.

I'm looking forward to seeing who they got doing the "W"s. That chick roped to the tree was alive when they carved that W in her head... before the walkers got to her. That's pretty ruthless and brutal. We talked about a certain suspect before, but I'm not so sure it's him.

Rick, headache... yeah. :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

Carol helped push him in that direction :nono:

Sure, but necessary evil?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Sasha is somebody that I feel sympathy for. She told Noah that he wouldn't make it, in order to try to inspire him to fight harder to survive. Now he's dead. I would feel horrible too, so I can understand where she's coming from. It's a very human thing to be hard, with good intentions, on someone and feel bad when something bad happens to the person you were hard on.

I still hate her :hand:


I'm looking forward to seeing who they got doing the "W"s. That chick roped to the tree was alive when they carved that W in her head... before the walkers got to her. That's pretty ruthless and brutal. We talked about a certain suspect before, but I'm not so sure it's him.

Yeah, what a horrible way to torture someone and kill them. Will Darryl and the ghey dude catch up to the W Crew before they make it to Alexandria? :-k

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Sure, but necessary evil?

To what end? And BTW, Rick was absolutely correct in everything he said. Look at how that other guy just completely LIED about everything that happened on that run. I'm surprised there is anyone left in Alexandria alive because they are a bunch of naive dumbasses.

[DemonGeminiX]

I still hate her :hand:

Hater McHaterson. [-(


Yeah, what a horrible way to torture someone and kill them. Will Darryl and the ghey dude catch up to the W Crew before they make it to Alexandria? :-k

ghey dude = Aaron :lol:

That was pretty fucked up. Whoever it is, I would sincerely hate for Aaron and Darryl to catch up to them. Anybody who could do that to a woman for any reason, if they're in a group, I don't suspect a two person team is gonna have much of a chance against them.

[DemonGeminiX]

To what end? And BTW, Rick was absolutely correct in everything he said. Look at how that other guy just completely LIED about everything that happened on that run. I'm surprised there is anyone left in Alexandria alive because they are a bunch of naive dumbasses.

Necessary evil to keep Jessie from getting more fucked up. Remember, Carol was abused by her dickhead husband, Ed. She knows how this shit progresses.

And of course Rick was right. But they ain't gonna listen.... yet.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Hater McHaterson. [-(

:tup:


ghey dude = Aaron :lol:

That was pretty fucked up. Whoever it is, I would sincerely hate for Aaron and Darryl to catch up to them. Anybody who could do that to a woman for any reason, if they're in a group, I don't suspect a two person team is gonna have much of a chance against them.

You knew who I meant tho :nana:

Yeah, and even if Darryl and Aaron catch up to them, Darryl is smart enough to know not to try anything alone. He would try to get ahead of them and warm everyone in Alexandria.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Necessary evil to keep Jessie from getting more fucked up. Remember, Carol was abused by her dickhead husband, Ed. She knows how this shit progresses.

And of course Rick was right. But they ain't gonna listen.... yet.

First thing Rick should do is pitch Michonne over the wall....fucking traitorous bitch [-(

[DemonGeminiX]

Yeah, and even if Darryl and Aaron catch up to them, Darryl is smart enough to know not to try anything alone. He would try to get ahead of them and warm everyone in Alexandria.

Can't argue with that.


First thing Rick should do is pitch Michonne over the wall....fucking traitorous bitch [-(

Nooooo.... :nono:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Traitorous bitch :hand:

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So that's the big underlying secret for this season??

That they're all complacent???????!!!!



:rofl:

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Both Lance and DGX mention that people are carving W's into other people, before they turn.

:-k Did I miss a scene or two? How do you know when the W's were carved?

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They were having such a problem with deciding what to do with the guy who hits his wife...

I dunno, how about you set up a jail area and decide the sentence, throw him in there and feed/clothe him etc because that's what you're doing right now anyways.

They made some constables to keep the peace, why not take society one step further?


and



that guy hits pretty well for being a surgeon :shock: ...think he'd want to protect his hands

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Carl and Enid :wank:


freaky kid sex :tup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

So that's the big underlying secret for this season??

That they're all complacent???????!!!!



:rofl:

Well, that and the fact that their complacency is getting people killed needlessly. And I think the big thing is the foreshadowing of the W Crew coming


Both Lance and DGX mention that people are carving W's into other people, before they turn.

:-k Did I miss a scene or two? How do you know when the W's were carved?

Because the chick that was tied to the tree and left to be executed by zombies had a W on her forehead.

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Well, that and the fact that their complacency is getting people killed needlessly. And I think the big thing is the foreshadowing of the W Crew coming



Because the chick that was tied to the tree and left to be executed by zombies had a W on her forehead.


She was a zombie when they got there...correct? So how would you know when the W was applied? :-s


could be a new tattoo that all of the cool zombie kids are getting..

[Teh One Who Knocks]

She was a zombie when they got there...correct? So how would you know when the W was applied? :-s


could be a new tattoo that all of the cool zombie kids are getting..

Because at both scenes, Darryl and Aaron made note that it had 'just happened'

[DemonGeminiX]

Both Lance and DGX mention that people are carving W's into other people, before they turn.

:-k Did I miss a scene or two? How do you know when the W's were carved?

When Aaron and Darryl come upon the corpse of the naked woman bound to the tree, Darryl mentions that she is recently killed. We've seen on multiple occasions that a dead person doesn't take long to reanimate as a walker after dying. So she dies really recently, and she's reanimating when Darryl lifts her head up. Someone bound her to the tree while she was alive so that walkers would get to her. I don't think whoever carved the W into her forehead is going to do it while the walkers are there eating her, or even hanging out to wait around until they're finished. Unless the walker parts were of the walker(s) that were eating her and they dismembered them after she was dead. But why would they leave her if they're taking dismembered walkers? Why not just wait around for her to reanimate, dismember her, and take her as well?

That's the way I see it.

[Hal-9000]

[-(

Could be like zombie farmers....branding their herds to make the round ups easier.



:howdy:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Carl and Enid :wank:


freaky kid sex :tup:

Carl will never score with her as long as he keeps wearing that stupid fucking hat :hand:

[DemonGeminiX]

:lol:

But they're not rounded up, they're all over the place.

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At times, that W looked pretty stylized...


All jokes aside, I'm gonna predict that they're put onto folks after they are dead.

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:lol:

But they're not rounded up, they're all over the place.


:shifty: ...so it appears.......

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Carl will never score with her as long as he keeps wearing that stupid fucking hat :hand:

Carl is a chick...they'll find some common ground and eventually rub donuts

[DemonGeminiX]

Carl will never score with her as long as he keeps wearing that stupid fucking hat :hand:

She's a little girl. Little girls go for stupid shit.

[DemonGeminiX]

:cheers:

Morgan!!!!


That season finale was intense. I can't believe Glenn didn't kill that douchebag.

[Griffin]

Morgan of "All life should be preserved!" saw his Messiah execute someone.
Gabriel may have a room mate.

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I found that episode completely underwhelming :|


There seems to be a trend with this show. Lackluster finales and really good season premieres that don't mess around.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I found that episode completely underwhelming :|


There seems to be a trend with this show. Lackluster finales and really good season premieres that don't mess around.

:-s

:snapout:

I'm with DGX, I thought it was an intense and great finale.

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[-( boring and non intense..

[Teh One Who Knocks]

[-( boring and non intense..

:snapout:

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Glen shoulda tied that guy to a tree and rang a bell...

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I thought Morgan was trying to get the W guys killed at the beginning of the episode when he stacked them in the wrecked car and started honking the horn to attract zombies....but I guess not since they reappeared at the canned food plant trap near the end?

[Griffin]

I think he put them in the car and honked the horn to attract the rest of their group, thus saving them from zombies.

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I thought Morgan was trying to get the W guys killed at the beginning of the episode when he stacked them in the wrecked car and started honking the horn to attract zombies....but I guess not since they reappeared at the canned food plant trap near the end?

Yeah I didn't really understand his motivation for honking the horn after saving them :-k

He somehow got the map that Abraham (?) wrote on when him and Rick split up? :-s


and the big W reveal was rather tame....wolves not men?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I think he put them in the car and honked the horn to attract the rest of their group, thus saving them from zombies.

Ah, maybe :thumbsup:


Yeah I didn't really understand his motivation for honking the horn after saving them :-k

He somehow got the map that Abraham (?) wrote on when him and Rick split up? :-s


and the big W reveal was rather tame....wolves not men?

Morgan found the map in the church after the others had all left for Washington.

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Morgan found the map in the church after the others had all left for Washington.

Oh right :thumbsup:

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Abraham and Eugene had a reconciliation :tup:

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http://i.imgur.com/xkFQJIZ.jpg

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I was hoping that Rick would give Michonne a big hug and forgive her...then crack her one over the head :x

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah, I felt that way before the finale, but what she said to him made sense...plus she made sure to let him know that she was still with him.

But it's her fault Deanna's husband is dead, if she hadn't tried to retire her sword, crazy guy wouldn't have had access to it to bring it to the meeting [-(

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Oh pish, crazy guy would have just had the materials on hand to build a bomb or used a paring knife or a rock or a piece of gum to cut that guy's throat...available katana had nothing to do with it [-(









:lol: so that's what the other side of a gun control argument feels like...idiotic :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Kinda sad though, Morgan walked up just as Rick shot crazy guy in the head, I think that was a look of disappointment on Morgan's face :(

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Yeah seems like he's been trailing Rick and Company for years now.....their path of that same 9 miles in a circular route :lol:


I like his pacifist angle and him showing up to see blood and gore covered Rick...right at the moment of truth was a little ironic IMO...

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah, I think Morgan kinda had Rick up on a pedestal of sorts, thinking Rick was above all that

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I don't know about anyone else here..but after a year of stabbing zombies in the head or cutting off their heads or bashing their heads until they don't move...it would make me a little like Sasha.

I did like the scene with her laying in the pit with the dead folks :thumbsup:

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Yeah, I think Morgan kinda had Rick up on a pedestal of sorts, thinking Rick was above all that


They spoke in Woodbury, correct?

Or was that in another town before The Governor?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I don't know about anyone else here..but after a year of stabbing zombies in the head or cutting off their heads or bashing their heads until they don't move...it would make me a little like Sasha.

I did like the scene with her laying in the pit with the dead folks :thumbsup:

I hate Sasha :x


They spoke in Woodbury, correct?

Or was that in another town before The Governor?

It was in an abandoned town before the Governor where he was a bit on the crazy side and had booby trapped part of the town to keep zombies/people away

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I hate Sasha :x



It was in an abandoned town before the Governor where he was a bit on the crazy side and had booby trapped part of the town to keep zombies/people away


You must admit...Sasha is becoming more understandable :thumbsup: ...and I predict she's going down in a BIG WAY :dance:


Rick and Morgan - Yes they were in a small apartment I seem to recall :-k

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I admit nothing :hand:

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kinda glossed over the fact they killed the only doctor...



:doh:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

He kinda left them no choice :dunno:

[Hal-9000]

and who doesn't love Daryl...

Just let me finish my smoke and I'll go sacrifice myself to thousands of zombies so you can get away.




:tup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I thought that someone big was gonna die, and the way thet had it set up, I thought it was either going to be Glen or Darryl

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He kinda left them no choice :dunno:

Restrain him in a chair, vice or skillsaw on the nuts, and let him do the doctoring stuff :tup:

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I thought that someone big was gonna die, and the way thet had it set up, I thought it was either going to be Glen or Darryl

I thought the same about Glen...


and if they toast Daryl, there goes 30 million viewers :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The g/f was all worried when it looked like Glen was gonna bite it :lol:

:shock: Oh no! They can't kill Glen! :(

[Hal-9000]

I had the same look as your g/f, trust me :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Hey, here's something I've been thinking about and now the more I have thought about it, the more it bugs me...how did Darryl and Aaron not hear all those zombies inside those trailers before they sprung the trap? That amount of zombies wouldn't exactly be quiet. :confused:

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:-k

Yes that was poor hunter skills for sure.


And what was really the goal of that elaborate trap? You take hours rounding up zombies (certainly dangerous) and for what? So the zombies can kill a guy and you get his boots? :-s

Those W guys really underwhelmed me....hope that story plays out into something better.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Well, I don't think the trap was so the zombies would kill whoever sprung it, that disabled car was right there on purpose so that whoever did spring the trap would take refuge in it. Then the W Crew would come, wrangle up the zombies, and presumably rob and torture whoever they found in the trap. I'm assuming they are terrorizing people just for the fun of it? I mean they are stealing all the possessions, so there is that, but there is no reason to kill and torture whoever they are robbing other than for the fun of it...so they are pretty deranged and I am sure they are going to be an issue in the next season when they find their way to Alexandria.

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that's a lot of work to get a couple of people :lol:


at the pinnacle of the scene with Daryl and Arron, I estimate there were at least 100 zombies in that parking lot...


why not just make a sign on top of the car - free food within :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://i.imgur.com/kNiu0Fq.jpg

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc2yZlh.jpg

[Hal-9000]

:lol: ^^

[DemonGeminiX]

The dude that plays the priest Gabriel was arrested on a DUI and possession of marijuana.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

You'd turn to booze and drugs if you lived in the zombie apocalypse :hand:

[DemonGeminiX]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3743822/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unWdvWPmiPk

[DemonGeminiX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwyMn1O9PYo

[DemonGeminiX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IByHGCpfRZc

[DemonGeminiX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1UPrFXHKA

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http://i.imgur.com/ARKhVWu.jpg

[DemonGeminiX]

Tonight. :cheers:

[Griffin]

The wolves or Father Gabriel?

[DemonGeminiX]

:-k

Good question. I was thinking it was the Wolves, but Gabe was there at the meeting and heard all of the intimate details of the plan.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Father Gabriel: I want to help too

.00000000005 seconds later

Rick: No, who's next?

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How about the kid of the guy Rick just killed? He looked angsty enough to have wanted Rick and company to suffer.


The Morgan story. I know he was some sort of big thing in the comics (pls don't discuss it or spoil the TV show).

We see him briefly like three seasons ago. Him and Rick have a minor interaction, then he shows up here months later like some sort of hero we should be fascinated with.
I don't get the hype.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

How about the kid of the guy Rick just killed? He looked angsty enough to have wanted Rick and company to suffer.


The Morgan story. I know he was some sort of big thing in the comics (pls don't discuss it or spoil the TV show).

We see him briefly like three seasons ago. Him and Rick have a minor interaction, then he shows up here months later like some sort of hero we should be fascinated with.
I don't get the hype.

As far as I know, this is the 3rd time Morgan has been around Rick on the TV show. The first time was back when Rick woke up in the hospital and started wandering the town. He came upon Morgan (and Morgan's kid I believe) holed up in a house. Morgan ended up having to shoot his own wife who kept trying to 'come home' after she became a walker. then the 2nd time was when Rick and Carl found him barricaded in some small town area and Morgan was a little on the crazy side. And now he's rejoined Rick ion Alexandria.

[Hal-9000]

The opening ep was strange in other areas...that cowardly guy who initially hated Rick and planned to kill him? He gets bitten in the face by a zombie, Rick, Michonne and that Morgan guy all know it...yet they both give Rick a bit of the the stinkeye after he kills him? He was luring hundreds of zombies with his womanly shrieking and was going to turn anyways wtf?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The opening ep was strange in other areas...that cowardly guy who initially hated Rick and planned to kill him? He gets bitten in the face by a zombie, Rick, Michonne and that Morgan guy all know it...yet they both give Rick a bit of the the stinkeye after he kills him? He was luring hundreds of zombies with his womanly shrieking and was going to turn anyways wtf?

Yeah, me an the g/f didn't understand that scene at all. It's not like Rick shoved that guy's face into the walker's mouth FFS. Both Morgan and Michonne are both like 'yeah, we know this is how it has to be' :wtf:

[Hal-9000]

And I have to ask the most obvious dumb question. What exactly was their plan going to accomplish by luring the 1000 zombie parade down the road? To try and rustle them like cattle for hundreds of miles only to leave them somewhere else and attack other people?

Wouldn't it be better to just leave them in the quarry where at least they could formulate a better method to kill all of them while they were trapped? Like find a tanker truck full of gas and BBQ their asses?

Don't get me wrong, loved the visuals. But Rick making a sandbag???? :lol: There's gotta be a better use of time vs results ffs..

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Yeah, me an the g/f didn't understand that scene at all. It's not like Rick shoved that guy's face into the walker's mouth FFS. Both Morgan and Michonne are both like 'yeah, we know this is how it has to be' :wtf:


Seems like they're getting into a morality thing. Rick and Morgan behind the car and Morgan says they're both killers. Heavily implying they've killed more than zombies. Isn't it a wee bit late for that? :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

And I have to ask the most obvious dumb question. What exactly was their plan going to accomplish by luring the 1000 zombie parade down the road? To try and rustle them like cattle for hundreds of miles only to leave them somewhere else and attack other people?

Wouldn't it be better to just leave them in the quarry where at least they could formulate a better method to kill all of them while they were trapped? Like find a tanker truck full of gas and BBQ their asses?

Don't get me wrong, loved the visuals. But Rick making a sandbag???? :lol: There's gotta be a better use of time vs results ffs..

That was the first thing the g/f asked...why don't they just set them on fire and burn them all in the quarry?

[Hal-9000]

Yo g/f is a smart cookie :thumbsup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Seems like they're getting into a morality thing. Rick and Morgan behind the car and Morgan says they're both killers. Heavily implying they've killed more than zombies. Isn't it a wee bit late for that? :lol:

Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense why they're playing this angle all of a sudden :confused:

[Hal-9000]

I love the show but to open the season with a huge situation like this, with nary an explanation why, and then to have morality rear it's ugly head six years later...a little disappointing.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I don't mind the way the new season opened with the zombie herding, I'm sure we'll find out more about the reasoning later on (hopefully). I definitely don't like the morality thing though. The way Morgan and Michonne acted, you would think that Rick had just killeed that asshole in cold blood, when in actuality he was just putting him out of his misery. It's not like anything could have been done for him anyway. He was dead as soon as that walker bit him.

[Hal-9000]

Sure, they'll let us know eventually. It's hard for me to critique shows I love. This year's just seemed weird. Epic in scope, and weird

[DemonGeminiX]

Morgan: He's Qui Chang Morgan. That's uber-Cool.

Morality: Dunno. But it was Ethan Embry. Rick killed a mid-late 90's heart throb from generic 90's teen films. That's a no-no.

Walker horde: I would have just had people stand around the clock and stick a walker in the head every time they squeezed through the trucks. Could've found more kung fu staffs and attached knives to the top end and just thrust in for shits and giggles.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Walker horde: I would have just had people stand around the clock and stick a walker in the head every time they squeezed through the trucks. Could've found more kung fu staffs and attached knives to the top end and just thrust in for shits and giggles.

I don't know why they just didn't light the whole pit on fire

[Hal-9000]

They could of made a whole bunch of pit traps with stakes at the bottom if they were that bored...

[HyperV12]

Duh, if they hadn't herded the walkers then there would've been no danger when the siren at the end went off - keep up people!

[Hal-9000]

That was my thought. It's a hell of lot of trouble to get thousands of zombies to march for miles. I hope they have an end game.

[Griffin]

At the very beginning of the episode they showed the quarry from the bottom angle where the two trucks were backed up. That direction led away from Alexandria.
Then the truck at the top which was blocking the exit fell in which opened a direct path toward town.
So the whole plan was to open the bottom and lure the zombies away.

[Griffin]

I'm hoping to see Tara and Rosita bump monkeys.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Morgan's an idiot

[Hal-9000]

Much better episode this week, enjoyed the carnage.

And I see that Carl turned 27 this season :)

[Hal-9000]

Morgan's an idiot

Why?

I'm not a real big fan of the character. He's pretty lame with that mop handle and does he really poke that rounded end into zombie brains?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Why?

I'm not a real big fan of the character. He's pretty lame with that mop handle and does he really poke that rounded end into zombie brains?

Did you watch him at all last night? :-s


Morgan: Hmmmm....here's a bunch of maniacs that have climbed the fences and are hacking people up into little pieces with machetes and axes, maybe I should just try and reason with them instead of being like Carol and just killing them :-k



Morgan = :dunce:

:lol:

[Hal-9000]

:lol:

Yes...but those are humans and he has a moral code to abide by. I can see trying to hang onto something living in that world. Plus it always helps when you know you can bootfuck 99% of the people around you.

I don't buy him as a stick master or even a badass in general so it's pretty hard for me to watch the actor getting all tough n stuff....now Daryl is a badass .....and Carol :lol:

[Hal-9000]

I didn't catch the full written JSS...what did it stand for?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I didn't catch the full written JSS...what did it stand for?

It was on the note that Enid left for Carl at the end of the episode: Just Survive Somehow

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:lol:

Yes...but those are humans and he has a moral code to abide by. I can see trying to hang onto something living in that world. Plus it always helps when you know you can bootfuck 99% of the people around you.

I don't buy him as a stick master or even a badass in general so it's pretty hard for me to watch the actor getting all tough n stuff....now Daryl is a badass .....and Carol :lol:

Trying to reason with these maniacs is just dumb, code or not :lol:

And the scene with him in the standoff with the 5 or 6 Wolves was just like in the old kung fu movies, they only came at him one at a time, almost 1-1/2 at a time. Don't rush him all at once and overpower him, that would be silly. Come at him spaced far enough apart so that he can hit you with his stick :facepalm:

[Hal-9000]

It was on the note that Enid left for Carl at the end of the episode: Just Survive Somehow

Thanks. The opening 10 seconds of the show with her standing watch while Mom and Dad were reading about fuses, is one of the best beginnings to a TV show in recent memory.

[Hal-9000]

Trying to reason with these maniacs is just dumb, code or not :lol:

And the scene with him in the standoff with the 5 or 6 Wolves was just like in the old kung fu movies, they only came at him one at a time, almost 1-1/2 at a time. Don't rush him all at once and overpower him, that would be silly. Come at him spaced far enough apart so that he can hit you with his stick :facepalm:


Yes you gotta move in really close, real quick when fighting stick guys otherwise all you'll hear is Thwock! Thwock! Thwock! on the noggin :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I think Carol's alias of Suzie Homemaker is blown :lol:

[Hal-9000]

Loved that quick bit of Carol Brady advice to that kid on the step

Your dad was bully and hurt people and someone killed him.

You can either let it affect you the rest of your life or move on.



:lol:

[HyperV12]

Where did the herd of walkers go to?? And Rick et al

[Hal-9000]

Where did the herd of walkers go to?? And Rick et al

Episode three my friend :thumbsup:



love the way they're handling this season, episode two was balls out and crazy

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Where did the herd of walkers go to?? And Rick et al

The events in both episodes were happening almost concurrently, so Rick and the rest along with the zombie horde were off doing what they were doing in episode 1 while we were watching episode 2 unfold. Like Hal just mentioned, they will both intersect I'm sure in episode 3

[Hal-9000]

Yeah the air horn goes off for something like under two minutes, so Rick and company will likely be already getting the stray walkers back on course. That attack on the town took less time than Carl needed to bake a cake...

A better question is did the Wolves know that Rick and the others were away from town and did they use Aaron's backpack full of info to determine Alexandria's location?

[HyperV12]

Yeah but Morgan was with Rick wasn't he and he got back. Anyhoo, episode 3 will be a doozy cos Morgan let 3-4 wolves go and they'll be back.

[Hal-9000]

Yes he was on the road crew too...that's what I was kinda getting at. It all happened so fast and they're all so close now.

Question - How come the Wolves attack like animals and never use guns?

[HyperV12]

I think it's just that they don't have any guns. Morgan met two in s5 finale and the gun they had was empty so....

[Hal-9000]

something about Enid knowing the Wolves....she had a strange line about them (can't recall) and she acted weirdly calm during the attack talking to Carl

Since the episode was focused on her at the beginning (and named after her JSS saying), I believe she knows the Wolves or has met them...


that turtle scene was great! :lol:

[HyperV12]

I think when she was in the car the zombie eating her parents had a W on its head, not sure but I think so. She certainly has a bigger role to play I agree. Was it a turtle or tortoise? Either way it was a good scene but do you watch QI?
There was an episode that covered Cooks expedition to the Galapagos and collecting giant tortoises to bring back to the UK to the zoological society and the reason that none made it back was that they were apparently delicious and we're all eaten on the voyage home! True story.

[Hal-9000]

You say turtles, I say spaghetti...it's all the same :yumyum:

No I haven't heard that story about Cook Islands, hilarious :lol:

[Hal-9000]

I think it's just that they don't have any guns. Morgan met two in s5 finale and the gun they had was empty so....

This is still bothering me. Almost every group in TWD world has guns. The Wolves group is huge, they must have some...or maybe their leader won't let the maniacs have any and he just sends them in with machetes...

speaking of machetes, did anyone notice that the zombies that the Wolves maimed, always had their arms and legs cut off? I wonder why..

[Hal-9000]

Watched the scene with Enid and Carl again. She starts talking about this place having too many blindspots and then says - That's how we....and then Carl cuts her off trying to be the hero.

She does say 'we' for sure and that tells me everything. She has met and is with the Wolves. Remember last season right after Carl met her and she was always leaving the compound alone?

That's why she appeared so calm and not freaked out in the least when bloodthirsty crazies were attacking their town. She knew or even helped orchestrate the attack. I'll bet in her background story there was a huge part after she ate the turtle, but before she ended up at Alexandria, where she met the Wolves, they saved her and/or taught her survival skills.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Watched the scene with Enid and Carl again. She starts talking about this place having too many blindspots and then says - That's how we....and then Carl cuts her off trying to be the hero.

Or was she referring to how her parents got killed? That's how we...got overrun by zombies because I couldn't keep lookout in every direction and warn my parents in time?

[HyperV12]

Or was she referring to how her parents got killed? That's how we...got overrun by zombies because I couldn't keep lookout in every direction and warn my parents in time?

That's where I went.

[Hal-9000]

Or was she referring to how her parents got killed? That's how we...got overrun by zombies because I couldn't keep lookout in every direction and warn my parents in time?

No she was referring to Alexandria, not the car. I watched the scene again and it seemed she was definitely hiding something about the attack.

[DemonGeminiX]

She said "that's how we were able to..." before he cut her off. Could be misdirection. She could just be a sad girl surviving on her own the only way she knows how. JSS - Just Survive Somehow. Or she could be a plant for the Wolves, but I'm not so sure. They don't strike me as the organized type.

"That's how we were able to..." sneak inside and kill all these people, you silly little sheep. (if she's with the Wolves)

OR

"That's how we were able to..." slip in and out of here unnoticed so easily, Carl. (when they were in the woods together)

:rip: Tortoise

[Griffin]

The wolves found Alexandria by the clues in Aaron's backpack that was left at the semi trailer trap.

[DemonGeminiX]

Yeah, back in last season's finale. They even showed that Aaron's really peeved that he dropped those when he found the backpack that the one dead Wolves dude was carrying.

I don't think Enid's a Wolves' plant, she's just a red herring to ratchet up the tension.

[DemonGeminiX]

:shock:

:rip: Glen. It wasn't where I was expecting you to die. Anybody that's read the comics would know what I'm talking about.

Hey! Maggie's single again! I call dibs. :drool:

[DemonGeminiX]

:-k

Or maybe not. They did show Nicholas falling on top of Glen as they were falling and they didn't really show guts being ripped out of Glen for certain. It was kind of a close in angle that would make you think it was Glen being ripped apart, but the perspective wasn't exactly explicitly clear. Maybe Glen gets covered in Nicholas blood and guts and he gets masked from the walkers and the walkers ignore him, allowing him to sneak away from the herd uneaten.

But I still have first dibs on Maggie when he does die.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

No she was referring to Alexandria, not the car. I watched the scene again and it seemed she was definitely hiding something about the attack.

You weren't in the room with the writers, you don't know for sure what she was referring to :hand:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:shock:

:rip: Glen. It wasn't where I was expecting you to die. Anybody that's read the comics would know what I'm talking about.

Hey! Maggie's single again! I call dibs. :drool:

You don't need to spoiler that stuff in this particular thread, the warning is already in the thread title (unless you're bring up comic stuff, which doesn't belong in here anyways :hand: ). I avoid all the TV show threads for shows I watch until I am caught up on episodes because I know what would be waiting if I went in early :lol: If you make the choice to read these threads without being caught up, then the fault is your own. Now spoilers about TV shows in other threads is a completely different story.

And yeah, :rip: Glen :( This death I think hit me harder than any of the previous on the show. I like Glen :sad2:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:-k

Or maybe not. They did show Nicholas falling on top of Glen as they were falling and they didn't really show guts being ripped out of Glen for certain. It was kind of a close in angle that would make you think it was Glen being ripped apart, but the perspective wasn't exactly explicitly clear. Maybe Glen gets covered in Nicholas blood and guts and he gets masked from the walkers and the walkers ignore him, allowing him to sneak away from the herd uneaten.

But I still have first dibs on Maggie when he does die.

Seeing how the writers have no problem killing off major characters, I think he's really dead. Although dumbass probably did land on top of him, I can't believe that he landed on top of Glen so perfectly as to prevent the walkers from sensing Glen. There were a LOT of freaking zombies all around them both. That fucking idiot is responsible for killing off two people from the group now and he took the cowards way out and never had to be ripped apart by zombies while alive :x

[DemonGeminiX]

Well, if he is dead, then there's no reason to hold back the ruthlessly brutal way he died in the comics... but I'll wait to see if he's really dead.


I'm still in denial. :(

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Like I said, his death (if he is indeed dead, there is rampant speculation that he isn't really dead...but that would be a completely implausible situation for him to survive and be against everything that has happened in the series so far when it comes to characters being killed off) hit me harder than any other character prior...I was just sitting there stunned as it unfolded.

[DemonGeminiX]

Odd that it's all of the characters closest to Maggie that are getting killed off and affecting people so hard. Beth was hard to take, as was Herschel.


Rick's in a particularly fucked up spot right about now.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah, me and the g/f were saying the same thing as the episode closed, Rick is in a world of hurt.

One thing I did like was when Michonne put that other black kid in his place (can't recall his name, he'll probably die soon anyways) when he felt Rick didn't care about the Alexandria people.

[DemonGeminiX]

Heath

[Teh One Who Knocks]

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[DemonGeminiX]

Yep, that's Heath. And that's Michonne tearing his ass down. :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

It was an epic badass smackdown :lol:

[Hal-9000]

You weren't in the room with the writers, you don't know for sure what she was referring to :hand:

:shifty:

[Hal-9000]

Glen isn't dead. The way they shot the scene telegraphs it. He'll get covered in walker goo and manage to sneak away in a sewer or hide in the garbage can.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Glen isn't dead. The way they shot the scene telegraphs it. He'll get covered in walker goo and manage to sneak away in a sewer or hide in the garbage can.

There were approximately 83427490857230984795687569370495867049587634095867 30495687304985673904856730985673904856903485703984 760938475 walkers in that fenced off area, there is no way that Glen survived that :rip:

[Hal-9000]

A couple of things...at no time did we see Glen's body. The shot was an odd horizontal, slanting slightly down view towards his face. As if he had something on top of him. And the shot ended with him screaming, still alive.

Major character like Glen dies? We're going to see every second of it (and him) until he stops moving and we'll see the method. Fans won't accept a maybe death in this show.

All smoke and mirrors. The scene was too vague by design. We'll see him in a couple of episodes :thumbsup:

[Hal-9000]

She said "that's how we were able to..." before he cut her off. Could be misdirection. She could just be a sad girl surviving on her own the only way she knows how. JSS - Just Survive Somehow. Or she could be a plant for the Wolves, but I'm not so sure. They don't strike me as the organized type.

"That's how we were able to..." sneak inside and kill all these people, you silly little sheep. (if she's with the Wolves)

OR

"That's how we were able to..." slip in and out of here unnoticed so easily, Carl. (when they were in the woods together)

:rip: Tortoise



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r98M1xSZLA8

[Teh One Who Knocks]

A couple of things...at no time did we see Glen's body. The shot was an odd horizontal, slanting slightly down view towards his face. As if he had something on top of him. And the shot ended with him screaming, still alive.

Major character like Glen dies? We're going to see every second of it (and him) until he stops moving and we'll see the method. Fans won't accept a maybe death in this show.

All smoke and mirrors. The scene was too vague by design. We'll see him in a couple of episodes :thumbsup:

:hand:

We saw the method, being disemboweled by a gazillion zombies :tup:

[Hal-9000]

Did Rick get his injury from a walker?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Did Rick get his injury from a walker?

The g/f asked that too, I believe (although I may be wrong) that he got it when he was trying to kill that walker that had the machete/knife lodged in its shoulder. I think he was cut by the blade.

[Hal-9000]

:hand:

We saw the method, being disemboweled by a gazillion zombies :tup:

I'll bet you that Glen is okay, still human and we'll see him get out of that zombie whirlpool :tup:

[Hal-9000]

The Wolves are going to roll into that back alley and start cleavin limbs. Then they'll see Glen and he'll become one of their leaders :tup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Those Wolves that went after Rick in the RV, were those the ones dumbass Morgan let go?

[Hal-9000]

Those Wolves that went after Rick in the RV, were those the ones dumbass Morgan let go?

I think so. In the past, every time someone let someone else go...they paid for it.

Bob let someone go...dead. Tyreese let someone go...dead. Hershel let someone go...dead.


Morgan is living on borrowed time according to how the show works :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

:-k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA

[Goofy]

Wow, what a start to this season it's been, it's finally turned into the show i'd been hoping for! :cheers:

Glen though :sad2: Didn't see that coming, thought he was too much of a main character to bite it :(

[Goofy]

Watched the scene again and it does look like they're chewing on a body thats on top of Glen........ but still, there's a hundred squillion zombies around him!

[HyperV12]

I don't think Glen is dead despite the zillions of zombies. The are going to have to come up with a better reason than him being covered in Nicholas' guts though. At the least, Nicholas could turn quickly and bite Glen and it's curtains. The wolves that Rick killed were the ones Morgan let go I think, the ones that got into the RV certainly were two of them. The RV engine will spring miraculously into life and he'll drive over the Zs and lead them back to the main herd.

[Hal-9000]

Glen will just wear the Nick meatsuit going - Unnnnghhhhh, unnghhhhh - and walk right the fck outta there :tup:

Bit of a nerd point. Remember the pilot when Rick was in the tank and met Glen by radio? Glen called him a dumb ass. Fast forward to this past episode and he did it again by radio :lol:

I am definitely in the Glen is not dead camp. If he is, will they find his mangled corpse? Not likely. Will he become a walker and get spotted by another cast member? No chance of that because they have no idea where Glen and Nick were. He was wearing Hershel's watch though...

Another thing. I watched the scene again and when they were on top of the dumpster the fence behind them was only about 6 inches over their heads. Yes it had curled barbed wire on top but wouldn't climbing that to safety be a better bet than standing there while the zombies surround them?

[Hal-9000]

http://i.imgur.com/jUwhMKR.jpg

[DemonGeminiX]

There were walkers behind the fence.

[Hal-9000]

There were walkers behind the fence.

I had a good look...they were less than two feet from the fence. Small jump really when your life is on the line. I always look at the black and white - surrounded by 200 walkers or jump to a fence and get cut up a little?

:-k

[Hal-9000]

also fence on the right in that scene...no barbed wire and within reach

it was in the background when Nick took his headshot....no walkers beyond and another way off the dumpster

[DemonGeminiX]

I had a good look...they were less than two feet from the fence. Small jump really when your life is on the line. I always look at the black and white - surrounded by 200 walkers or jump to a fence and get cut up a little?

:-k

No, there were walkers on the other side of the fence as well.

[Hal-9000]

One of the overriding narratives in this season is Rick's belief that you have to let some people die. They are too dumb and will likely cause harm to you, if you have to help them.

I find that the Nick/Glen relationship plays into this theory in spades. Rick is telling Deanne, Morgan this theory and to lesser degree members of his group.

That's why I think Glen is still alive. It would be too pat if Glen helped someone and then just paid for it instantly. If/when Glen dies...Maggie will be in the episode and I don't think they would leave a main character's death as a mystery in terms of what the other cast members see. Simply, if Glen dies they would see it or find his body.

And I could be completely wrong and Glen turns into a zombie, walks into Alexandria and Maggie has to kill him :lol:

[Hal-9000]

No, there were walkers on the other side of the fence as well.

No?

Yes I saw them :lol: I'm just telling you what my opinion is about the lesser of two fates. If you think standing there on a dumpster is the way to go, fill your fucking boots man :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

But if they jump the fence they land into the walkers on the other side of the fence and die anyway. They were stuck.

[Hal-9000]

:-k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA

Area to the right I mentioned doesn't show any walkers behind it (where the vid is frozen before the start with Nick)...better choice if you want to live and notice how they made a point of showing Glen hit the ground first hard? The angle when guts are getting pulled seems more apparent each time I watch it that Nick is on top of him...if he lives, how he gets away is going to be sooooo important to the fans of the show..

you can't do a death fake out scene and then have a lame reason as to how Glen gets away, too many people will cry foul

[Hal-9000]

But if they jump the fence they land into the walkers on the other side of the fence and die anyway. They were stuck.

Just going on what I can see...and they don't show a whole lot of walkers behind the fence. To me, it's the lesser of evils because looking up that alley it's shitshow for sure ....

[DemonGeminiX]

http://i.imgur.com/jUwhMKR.jpg

They would never make that jump AND that fence is tall. A double height fence. You're not going to see anything behind it because walkers don't grow to be 9 feet tall. But if they're on the other side of the fence from behind, there's good reason to assume that they'll be on the other side to the right from the pic's vantage point. The brush could be hiding the walkers. I'm telling you man, they were stuck.

[DemonGeminiX]

Just going on what I can see...and they don't show a whole lot of walkers behind the fence. To me, it's the lesser of evils because looking up that alley it's shitshow for sure ....

:hand:

There was a ton of walkers behind the fence. You just didn't get a good look at them.

[DemonGeminiX]

If Glen's going to survive this shitstorm, he's not going to do it on his own. There's no way he can get out on his own. They might introduce some new characters that save him, although I really can't see how they would manage to do that or how they would know Glen and Nick was there to begin with.

If Glen survives this, call Fonzi and tell him to bring his water skis.

And they would totally pull a Maggie sees undead Glen and has to put him down. These show writers are complete dicks. And Maggie is some sort of albatross. All the people she loves biting the dust...

[Hal-9000]

They would never make that jump AND that fence is tall. A double height fence. You're not going to see anything behind it because walkers don't grow to be 9 feet tall. But if they're on the other side of the fence from behind, there's good reason to assume that they'll be on the other side to the right from the pic's vantage point. The brush could be hiding the walkers. I'm telling you man, they were stuck.
Most dumpsters are about five feet off of the ground. In the shot I posted (and your video) there is exactly one body width of walkers in between the back of the dumpster and the fence. You seem to keep saying contrary things to what I can see. Okay, you can't/won't make the jump, that's cool. I would try because it's certainly not even 10 feet to the fence from the dumpster.


I saw some sets of hands reaching up in the shot that I posted above so yes we are shown at least five walkers standing behind the fence.(blue arrows) It implies much...walkers standing on the ground behind the fence and one set of hands on the left is 1.5 feet from the top of the fence, most sets of hands are two feet from the top of the fence. Using your reasoning that the walkers are not nine feet tall, that means the fence is not really too high and well within reach of two people standing five feet up in the air on a dumpster.


http://i.imgur.com/LoOvcCv.jpg

[Hal-9000]

If Glen's going to survive this shitstorm, he's not going to do it on his own. There's no way he can get out on his own. They might introduce some new characters that save him, although I really can't see how they would manage to do that or how they would know Glen and Nick was there to begin with.

If Glen survives this, call Fonzi and tell him to bring his water skis.

And they would totally pull a Maggie sees undead Glen and has to put him down. These show writers are complete dicks. And Maggie is some sort of albatross. All the people she loves biting the dust...

A lot of people on the net agree with you. If Glen lives, it would be a total rip off and they would not be impressed with the writers.

I was just going to ask your opinion on, if he did survive, how does he get out of there?

1. Someone else comes along and has a method to disperse 300 zombies. Sound? Ray of light? A zombie machine gun??
2. Glen gets covered in zombie goo and they leave him alone so he can get away. Doesn't make sense because that means Nick would have to have turned at light speed.
3. Net pundits are talking about some space in the bottom of the dumpster, I didn't see that.

Regardless of what happens, I believe they'll do a whole bunch of episodes and get back to Glen about episode 10.

[Hal-9000]

They could do a really horrible thing.

Have Glen be missing for about six episodes. Then go back to the same scene and show it from another angle. Nick lands on top of Glen, Glen is okay while the zombies kill Nick.
Then show Glen clamoring to get away, he almost makes it up the fence to freedom only to be brought down and eaten by zombies.

Double dick move :lol:

[Yt Trash]

On a blog i seen on Reddit, it was stated that Glenn's death did not make it to "The Talking Dead" In Memoriam of the dead. So....

[DemonGeminiX]

How far and high can you jump from a standing position, without a running start? There's no room on the dumpster to get a running start and given that the edges are taken away from them because of the walkers reaching for them, they wouldn't be able to jump from the edge of the dumpster. Look at the pic again: their size relative to the distance they'd have to cover in a jump for the fence... keep in mind that they've not been portrayed as athletes by any stretch of the imagination. There's no way they could make that jump. And I still say there's walkers on the other side of the fence.

I'll say more when I get back... I gotta run.

[Hal-9000]

How far and high can you jump from a standing position, without a running start? There's no room on the dumpster to get a running start and given that the edges are taken away from them because of the walkers reaching for them, they wouldn't be able to jump from the edge of the dumpster. Look at the pic again: their size relative to the distance they'd have to cover in a jump for the fence... keep in mind that they've not been portrayed as athletes by any stretch of the imagination. There's no way they could make that jump. And I still say there's walkers on the other side of the fence.

I'll say more when I get back... I gotta run.

I can jump five feet and it doesn't take an athlete to do that. On that point, these guys have been running around in that world for a bit now so I would imagine with a limited diet and the running they do, they would be pretty good at something like this. Coupled with absolute fear and adrenaline they could make a simple jump like that no problem. Both to the back fence and the longer jump to the fence to the right (where your video thumbnail shows Nick facing us).

Rather than argue with me about what I can and can't do, here is what I saw. The first two shots are the most telling because the dumpster looks to be almost against the fence when Nick and Glen first approach it.

The last couple of screens show Nick jump at the fence (screens 5-8). He starts on the ground, beyond the dumpster...and jumps up to the fence. When he falls back off of it, he's sitting behind the dumpster. On top of the dumpster, it's an easier jump.

It's a small point in the scene where I suggested the heroes could have tried something different. These screens support that easily. Of course the writers didn't want to stage it that way because it ruins the hopelessness of their situation and keeps them on the dumpster until Nick shoots himself and drags Glen down.


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[Hal-9000]

As a matter of fact in the last screen where Nick falls back off of the fence, he's behind the dumpster edge when he lands on the ground again. The gap wasn't that big, ok? :lol:

[Hal-9000]

On a blog i seen on Reddit, it was stated that Glenn's death did not make it to "The Talking Dead" In Memoriam of the dead. So....

Yeah I bet the producers are being careful with any of the normal processes when it comes to the possible death of a main character like Glen. They set the scene up that way to start this....us debating it on the internet. Intentionally shocking and vague at the same time.

[DemonGeminiX]

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on the dumpster jump thing.


I was just going to ask your opinion on, if he did survive, how does he get out of there?

1. Someone else comes along and has a method to disperse 300 zombies. Sound? Ray of light? A zombie machine gun??
2. Glen gets covered in zombie goo and they leave him alone so he can get away. Doesn't make sense because that means Nick would have to have turned at light speed.
3. Net pundits are talking about some space in the bottom of the dumpster, I didn't see that.

Regardless of what happens, I believe they'll do a whole bunch of episodes and get back to Glen about episode 10.

See here's the thing: If Nick's on top of him and that's who they're tearing apart, Nick can't be covering Glen completely, so what's to prevent the walkers from getting at Glen's legs? Or his head? Just a thought.

The only way I see Glen getting out of this is if somebody lures the horde away with sound and takes out the few that have remained to feed. They would have had to be watching everything unfold from the get go and had followed everybody on their assignments. I thought it might be a character from the comics that I absolutely know they've cast but hasn't appeared yet. I'm not going to name him, but I know for a fact that this new character's coming this season. It's just a matter of when and where the powers that be have chosen to insert him. I can see his group saving Rick from the RV as well, because as it stands, Rick's in an impossible situation too.

I can't see the zombie goo thing, because well, he'd have to kill zombies to do that, and seeing as how he's surrounded, as soon as he moves, they'll swarm him and it's goodnight Glen.

I don't know about the space underneath the dumpster, but I was thinking earlier, why didn't they just jump into the dumpster and cover themselves? Or ran up the fire escape on the building? Regardless, I think Glen's options for hiding have disappeared. The only way for him to survive this FUBAR situation that he fell into would be an act of God... or Jesus. And Fonzi's strapping on his water skis.

[DemonGeminiX]

Well, if he could crawl away to a sewer access or something... but still, how does he go unnoticed by all those walkers?

:-k

Fonzi's getting ready to do the jump.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

If Glen survives this, call Fonzi and tell him to bring his water skis.

This ^^

The show makes a point of making this world as realistic as possible (as realistic as can be in a world overrun by zombies) and the characters in the show that have been in no-win situations before haven't survived and the situation Glen is in is pretty much an impossible no-win situation...this isn't the Kobayashi Maru where you can cheat. If the writers allow Glen to cheat death and escape the 20 bazillion zombies in that fenced in alley, then they have have jumped a shark of epic proportions. There would be no plausible explanation of any kind that would allow Glen to survive this. As DGX mentioned, okay, so maybe Nick did fall on top of Glen and what we actually see in that scene is Nick getting ripped apart, but there is no way that Nick fell perfectly atop Glen as to completely cover his body, his head is clearly visible to the walkers and again, as DGX mentioned, as soon as Glen moved or a body part was uncovered, Glen is zombie food. Glen is clearly crying/screaming in that scene, making noise, another thing which attracts walkers. And at this point, even if a new or another character comes along, I doubt that they have any method to lure away THAT many zombies, especially ones that are currently feeding. Plausibility, that's what would be required to allow Glen to survive this, and unless they are going to go the route of someone having supernatural powers (which itself is implausible) there is no way that Glen could plausibly survive this.

And as for making the jump over the fence? The walkers on the other side of the fence would have torn them apart. To make that leap and expect to land perfectly on your feet and be able to take off on a dead run to escape those walkers is again, out of the realm of plausibility.

[Yt Trash]

I predict....... That next Episode will blow records on viewership. People are going to tune in to see what happened to Glen.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

3. Net pundits are talking about some space in the bottom of the dumpster, I didn't see that.

http://i.imgur.com/MKH19SF.png

Yeah, in this view you can see the bottom of the dumpster, it is way too low to the ground for Glen to climb under. And even if he could manage to somehow wedge himself under it, it would be a slow process because of it being so low to the ground, But I don't think there is anywhere close to enough clearance for him to have slid underneath it.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I predict....... That next Episode will blow records on viewership. People are going to tune in to see what happened to Glen.

I bet they do one of those tangent episodes or an episode that completely takes up the whole hour in another place/time where they don't even come anywhere close to discussing/showing what happened to Glen in the next episode.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Janey Tracy - Outer Places


http://i.imgur.com/Lf1LjjL.jpg

Goddammit, Walking Dead. You beat the odds and gave us last week's "JSS," a perfectly paced, brutally violent, and unbearably tense episode. It takes a lot for a show to deliver arguably one of the series's best episodes six seasons in. Last night's episode, "Thank You," wasn't quite as great, but it did shock the fans to their cores with a tragic, unsentimental, and even more gory than usual death of a beloved original character. It was not at all an ambiguous death, but Scott Gimple and co. are acting really cagey about admitting that this character is dead. And if he's not, that's really, really, mind-numbingly stupid.

Spoilers ahead!

Approximately three-quarters into the episode, Glenn and Nicholas found themselves trapped in a horde of walkers, taking refuge by standing on a dumpster, but not really having a way out. Glenn is extremely resourceful, as we all know, so they probably would have made it out. But as we've seen, Nicholas is a coward, so he says "Thank you," presumably for Glenn forgiving and sparing him last season, shoots himself in the head, and sends them both tumbling to the ground. We see Glenn on the ground, walkers swarm him, and then he's literally ripped apart, and the walkers start eating his intestines. There is nothing ambiguous about this death, or at least there shouldn't be.

I'm a huge horror fan, and even I felt a little bit sick after watching this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA

Fans started to hope that Glenn somehow made it out of this situation, which sounds ridiculous if you've seen the episode. We don't technically see him die, I suppose, but no one could survive those injuries, and even if he somehow made it out of there, he's been bitten and scratched by the walkers, so he would die very quickly anyway. Some said that Nicholas may have fallen onto Glenn, shielding him from the walkers, but there's no good reason to think that. The angle does only show him from the shoulders up, but he looks like he's being torn apart from very near his shoulders, not from down below where we can't see. And (sorry to be morbid) but he looks very much like he's screaming out of pain, not fear. And even if Nicholas did fall onto him, they are completely swarmed, and it would be completely far-fetched to think Glenn could escape without so much as a scratch or bite. By any reasonable interpretation of events, Glenn should be dead as a f*cking doornail.

But after last night's episode of The Talking Dead and Robert Kirkman's wishy-washy statement about Glenn's "death," I think this is more than just wishful thinking. I think these fans are right, and Glenn didn't die last night. First, Steven Yeun wasn't on Talking Dead, which would mark the first time the show didn't feature the actor whose character just died. I doubt they would diverge from that trend for the first time with a character as beloved as Glenn. The hosts carefully avoided actually saying that Glenn is dead, and Scott Gimple issued a prepared statement that read:


"Dear fans of The Walking Dead, this is a hard story to tell, and when we were planning to tell it, we knew our friends over at Talking Dead would be talking to you about it, and knowing you'd talking and feeling and commiserating, I knew we should say something about it, lest our silence say something we didn't mean to say or not say so I will say this," Gimple wrote. "In some way, we will see Glenn, some version of Glenn or parts Glenn again, either in flashback, or current story, to help complete the story."

"Or current story." Or current story??

The Walking Dead is sci-fi, and the genre is known for "deaths" that don't exactly take (that's why you always double-tap). But the show has always been more grounded than that; some are comparing Glenn's death to Jon Snow's, but this isn't fantasy. When people die on TWD, they stay dead. And yes, I know the argument here is that Glenn never actually died, not that he's coming back to life, but if that's true, this show has really jumped the shark. It's not ambiguous, it's just plain manipulative, not to mention a cop-out. They haven't killed an original character since Andrea back in season three (and no one cared about her anyway), and although Glenn's death was tragically unheroic, it worked with the themes of the show. He was forgiving of Nicholas, and he was killed for his kindness, because in the post-apocalypse, no good deed goes unpunished. Glenn is a cunning person, which allowed him to stay alive for this long, but according to everything the show has told us about this brave new world, someone that soft-hearted was never going to be the one that survives in the long run.

To be clear, I absolutely love Glenn, and was heartbroken when he died (although we were somewhat prepared for it). And to some extent, I understand why they're doing this; Glenn's death in the comics is one of the most iconic scenes in the entire series, and this fake-out will make that death more surprising, I guess. But if The Walking Dead is going to become a show that manipulates its viewers so blatantly and depicts core characters pulling off increasingly far-fetched escapes from near-death situations, it will be placed squarely in the realm of "guilty pleasure," at best.

http://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/10241-the-walking-dead-might-have-just-jumped-the-shark-with-an-idiotic-fake-out-death

[Hal-9000]

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on the dumpster jump thing.



See here's the thing: If Nick's on top of him and that's who they're tearing apart, Nick can't be covering Glen completely, so what's to prevent the walkers from getting at Glen's legs? Or his head? Just a thought.

The only way I see Glen getting out of this is if somebody lures the horde away with sound and takes out the few that have remained to feed. They would have had to be watching everything unfold from the get go and had followed everybody on their assignments. I thought it might be a character from the comics that I absolutely know they've cast but hasn't appeared yet. I'm not going to name him, but I know for a fact that this new character's coming this season. It's just a matter of when and where the powers that be have chosen to insert him. I can see his group saving Rick from the RV as well, because as it stands, Rick's in an impossible situation too.

I can't see the zombie goo thing, because well, he'd have to kill zombies to do that, and seeing as how he's surrounded, as soon as he moves, they'll swarm him and it's goodnight Glen.

I don't know about the space underneath the dumpster, but I was thinking earlier, why didn't they just jump into the dumpster and cover themselves? Or ran up the fire escape on the building? Regardless, I think Glen's options for hiding have disappeared. The only way for him to survive this FUBAR situation that he fell into would be an act of God... or Jesus. And Fonzi's strapping on his water skis.

In terms of jumping off of the dumpster, yes we will disagree. And you will never travel with me during the next zombie apocalypse :lol:

Before reading Lance's post, I predict the single or double death fake out. He has either died already or he will appear to die, live on for a brief time and then get killed. The latter seems likely as the writers probably want to milk every last drop of fan sympathy and shock.

[Hal-9000]

This ^^

The show makes a point of making this world as realistic as possible (as realistic as can be in a world overrun by zombies) and the characters in the show that have been in no-win situations before haven't survived and the situation Glen is in is pretty much an impossible no-win situation...this isn't the Kobayashi Maru where you can cheat. If the writers allow Glen to cheat death and escape the 20 bazillion zombies in that fenced in alley, then they have have jumped a shark of epic proportions. There would be no plausible explanation of any kind that would allow Glen to survive this. As DGX mentioned, okay, so maybe Nick did fall on top of Glen and what we actually see in that scene is Nick getting ripped apart, but there is no way that Nick fell perfectly atop Glen as to completely cover his body, his head is clearly visible to the walkers and again, as DGX mentioned, as soon as Glen moved or a body part was uncovered, Glen is zombie food. Glen is clearly crying/screaming in that scene, making noise, another thing which attracts walkers. And at this point, even if a new or another character comes along, I doubt that they have any method to lure away THAT many zombies, especially ones that are currently feeding. Plausibility, that's what would be required to allow Glen to survive this, and unless they are going to go the route of someone having supernatural powers (which itself is implausible) there is no way that Glen could plausibly survive this.

And as for making the jump over the fence? The walkers on the other side of the fence would have torn them apart. To make that leap and expect to land perfectly on your feet and be able to take off on a dead run to escape those walkers is again, out of the realm of plausibility.

Mentioned the things in your first paragraph and agree. It would have to be a savior of epic proportions and logic for the fans to say - Okay, I could see Glen getting out of that.

And I am saying this and have said this about the ^%$#! fences. Listen up. All I mentioned was that they could have tried to jump to the fence either behind them or beside them, because both were doable. And both options were better than staying surrounded on the dumpster and dying. (well duhhh). I never said anything about landing perfectly on your feet (?) and we never see how many walkers are on the other side of the fence. You are arguing a complete unknown. You try for the fence, you climb to the top....and it's next week's episode. There were no walkers pictured to the right of them and a handful only behind them in terms of behind the fence. If there were another 300 or 400 like in the alley in front of them, I'm sure they would have shown them.


/

[DemonGeminiX]

If they kill Glen now, which seems to be the route they took, I'll accept it, although I think it's unfortunate because his death in the comic book was different, and it would have been that much more heart wrenching to watch on screen. It was fucking brutal.

[Goofy]

Listen up. All I mentioned was that they could have tried to jump to the fence either behind them or beside them, because both were doable.

But the director told them to climb up on the dumpster for that scene........ you do what the boss says :shrug:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

. The wolves that Rick killed were the ones Morgan let go I think, the ones that got into the RV certainly were two of them. The RV engine will spring miraculously into life and he'll drive over the Zs and lead them back to the main herd.

When he let them out they had no guns though, did they find them mysteriously on the way to the RV

[Hal-9000]

Janey Tracy - Outer Places


http://i.imgur.com/Lf1LjjL.jpg

Goddammit, Walking Dead. You beat the odds and gave us last week's "JSS," a perfectly paced, brutally violent, and unbearably tense episode. It takes a lot for a show to deliver arguably one of the series's best episodes six seasons in. Last night's episode, "Thank You," wasn't quite as great, but it did shock the fans to their cores with a tragic, unsentimental, and even more gory than usual death of a beloved original character. It was not at all an ambiguous death, but Scott Gimple and co. are acting really cagey about admitting that this character is dead. And if he's not, that's really, really, mind-numbingly stupid.

Spoilers ahead!

Approximately three-quarters into the episode, Glenn and Nicholas found themselves trapped in a horde of walkers, taking refuge by standing on a dumpster, but not really having a way out. Glenn is extremely resourceful, as we all know, so they probably would have made it out. But as we've seen, Nicholas is a coward, so he says "Thank you," presumably for Glenn forgiving and sparing him last season, shoots himself in the head, and sends them both tumbling to the ground. We see Glenn on the ground, walkers swarm him, and then he's literally ripped apart, and the walkers start eating his intestines. There is nothing ambiguous about this death, or at least there shouldn't be.

I'm a huge horror fan, and even I felt a little bit sick after watching this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA

Fans started to hope that Glenn somehow made it out of this situation, which sounds ridiculous if you've seen the episode. We don't technically see him die, I suppose, but no one could survive those injuries, and even if he somehow made it out of there, he's been bitten and scratched by the walkers, so he would die very quickly anyway. Some said that Nicholas may have fallen onto Glenn, shielding him from the walkers, but there's no good reason to think that. The angle does only show him from the shoulders up, but he looks like he's being torn apart from very near his shoulders, not from down below where we can't see. And (sorry to be morbid) but he looks very much like he's screaming out of pain, not fear. And even if Nicholas did fall onto him, they are completely swarmed, and it would be completely far-fetched to think Glenn could escape without so much as a scratch or bite. By any reasonable interpretation of events, Glenn should be dead as a f*cking doornail.

But after last night's episode of The Talking Dead and Robert Kirkman's wishy-washy statement about Glenn's "death," I think this is more than just wishful thinking. I think these fans are right, and Glenn didn't die last night. First, Steven Yeun wasn't on Talking Dead, which would mark the first time the show didn't feature the actor whose character just died. I doubt they would diverge from that trend for the first time with a character as beloved as Glenn. The hosts carefully avoided actually saying that Glenn is dead, and Scott Gimple issued a prepared statement that read:


"Dear fans of The Walking Dead, this is a hard story to tell, and when we were planning to tell it, we knew our friends over at Talking Dead would be talking to you about it, and knowing you'd talking and feeling and commiserating, I knew we should say something about it, lest our silence say something we didn't mean to say or not say so I will say this," Gimple wrote. "In some way, we will see Glenn, some version of Glenn or parts Glenn again, either in flashback, or current story, to help complete the story."

"Or current story." Or current story??

The Walking Dead is sci-fi, and the genre is known for "deaths" that don't exactly take (that's why you always double-tap). But the show has always been more grounded than that; some are comparing Glenn's death to Jon Snow's, but this isn't fantasy. When people die on TWD, they stay dead. And yes, I know the argument here is that Glenn never actually died, not that he's coming back to life, but if that's true, this show has really jumped the shark. It's not ambiguous, it's just plain manipulative, not to mention a cop-out. They haven't killed an original character since Andrea back in season three (and no one cared about her anyway), and although Glenn's death was tragically unheroic, it worked with the themes of the show. He was forgiving of Nicholas, and he was killed for his kindness, because in the post-apocalypse, no good deed goes unpunished. Glenn is a cunning person, which allowed him to stay alive for this long, but according to everything the show has told us about this brave new world, someone that soft-hearted was never going to be the one that survives in the long run.

To be clear, I absolutely love Glenn, and was heartbroken when he died (although we were somewhat prepared for it). And to some extent, I understand why they're doing this; Glenn's death in the comics is one of the most iconic scenes in the entire series, and this fake-out will make that death more surprising, I guess. But if The Walking Dead is going to become a show that manipulates its viewers so blatantly and depicts core characters pulling off increasingly far-fetched escapes from near-death situations, it will be placed squarely in the realm of "guilty pleasure," at best.

http://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/10241-the-walking-dead-might-have-just-jumped-the-shark-with-an-idiotic-fake-out-death


This guy brings up the point that I saw. All of the intestines and bowels coming from about Glen's shoulder level with him screaming. It's obviously Nick on top of Glen. So that leaves Glen laying there surrounded by 300 zombies and what next?

It's telling that the actor didn't appear on the post show recap, as other actors have who died. And the cagey comments by producers. Who knows....they may have written a brilliant scene where Glen can live, but as I mentioned, they probably won't show the result of that scene until near the end of the series.

[DemonGeminiX]

When he let them out they had no guns though, did they find them mysteriously on the way to the RV

The blonde one picked one up in front of Morgan before he ran off.

[Hal-9000]

If they kill Glen now, which seems to be the route they took, I'll accept it, although I think it's unfortunate because his death in the comic book was different, and it would have been that much more heart wrenching to watch on screen. It was fucking brutal.

I actually know about Glen's fate in the comic book to a degree.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

When he let them out they had no guns though, did they find them mysteriously on the way to the RV

One of the Wolves that Morgan let get away grabbed a gun of a dead Alexandria person before he ran off

[Teh One Who Knocks]

If they kill Glen now, which seems to be the route they took, I'll accept it, although I think it's unfortunate because his death in the comic book was different, and it would have been that much more heart wrenching to watch on screen. It was fucking brutal.

They've proven many times that they aren't following the comic book for a lot of stuff.

[Hal-9000]

When he let them out they had no guns though, did they find them mysteriously on the way to the RV

There's entire blogs arguing about whether the Wolves have guns or not...or why they may not have guns :lol:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

This guy brings up the point that I saw. All of the intestines and bowels coming from about Glen's shoulder level with him screaming. It's obviously Nick on top of Glen. So that leaves Glen laying there surrounded by 300 zombies and what next?

It's telling that the actor didn't appear on the post show recap, as other actors have who died. And the cagey comments by producers. Who knows....they may have written a brilliant scene where Glen can live, but as I mentioned, they probably won't show the result of that scene until near the end of the series.

All I can think is that the reason they didn't have Glen on the Talking Dead is because the writers knew the scene would be controversial and they are loving the drama and attention of people thinking and hoping that Glen survived, when in fact he's dead.

[DemonGeminiX]

They've proven many times that they aren't following the comic book for a lot of stuff.

Actually they are. They changed little things here and there, they changed some of who survived and who died, but they haven't strayed from the general course of events... yet.

[Hal-9000]

I can only see one way Glen lives. Someone has a machine that's so loud the zombies can't resist it. This person stands at the opening of the alley, starts the sound and they all move back the way they came.

They've already used sound as a plot device with the truck airhorn, so it probably won't happen.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

The blonde one picked one up in front of Morgan before he ran off.


One of the Wolves that Morgan let get away grabbed a gun of a dead Alexandria person before he ran off

Yeah, I think I recall that now

[Hal-9000]

All I can think is that the reason they didn't have Glen on the Talking Dead is because the writers knew the scene would be controversial and they are loving the drama and attention of people thinking and hoping that Glen survived, when in fact he's dead.

Yep, they're milking it. Look at what happened with the writer/producer of The Sopranos. He ends the series on such a fcking ambiguous note, people are still arguing about it today, nine years later.

He coyly says - Everything is there, if you look for it.....when asked about what actually happened. People have analyzed that five minute scene frame by frame, second by second right down to the sound cues.

[Goofy]

Yep, they're milking it. Look at what happened with the writer/producer of The Sopranos. He ends the series on such a fcking ambiguous note, people are still arguing about it today, nine years later.

No wonder, it was a fucking shitty ending to a fucking magnificent show :meh:

[Hal-9000]

No wonder, it was a fucking shitty ending to a fucking magnificent show :meh:

So what do you think happened?

Spoiler box for those who don't know about The Sopranos ending

I think it was simple. He died. Bobby says it on the third last episode and someone else says the exact same line about dying - You never hear it coming.
Why would they go blackscreen and create a scene with such tension for something that never happens?

[Goofy]

So what do you think happened?

Spoiler box for those who don't know about The Sopranos ending

I think it was simple. He died. Bobby says it on the third last episode and someone else says the exact same line about dying - You never hear it coming.
Why would they go blackscreen and create a scene with such tension for something that never happens?


Yeah, obviously that was what they were going for (Tony being killed), i just think it sucked big huge hairy donkey balls :shrug: The first time i watched it i ended up downloading it again thinking that the end was actually cut off of my download :lol: I'd rather it finished in a bloodbath tbh, would far rather have seen him go down in a blaze of glory :tup: With that shitty black screen ending it leaves it up to the viewer's interpretation/imagination........ if i wanted that i'd read a fucking book ffs, i watch tv to see the whole story :x

Strange thing is, i didn't really start watching it until it was pretty much over! A couple of my mates were always talking about it in the pub and i got fed up of being the odd one out so downloaded series 1 one saturday............ think i watched 14 episodes on the sunday if memory serves me correctly 8-[

:rip: Gandolfini, fuckin' great actor

[Hal-9000]

Yeah, obviously that was what they were going for (Tony being killed), i just think it sucked big huge hairy donkey balls :shrug: The first time i watched it i ended up downloading it again thinking that the end was actually cut off of my download :lol: I'd rather it finished in a bloodbath tbh, would far rather have seen him go down in a blaze of glory :tup: With that shitty black screen ending it leaves it up to the viewer's interpretation/imagination........ if i wanted that i'd read a fucking book ffs, i watch tv to see the whole story :x

Strange thing is, i didn't really start watching it until it was pretty much over! A couple of my mates were always talking about it in the pub and i got fed up of being the odd one out so downloaded series 1 one saturday............ think i watched 14 episodes on the sunday if memory serves me correctly 8-[

:rip: Gandolfini, fuckin' great actor

Yes agreed. The series didn't deserve that shite. One thing I read made a lot of sense (no spoilers). When a producer/director/writer creates 43 minutes of a TV episode, they show you exactly the scenes they figure are necessary to tell the viewer what just happened. Only in B movies and crappy TV do they put in garbage scenes just to fill up a time limit. So in the most simple terms, they are creating a series of visuals that describe an idea from start to finish. They create scenes from the ground up, literally, and put them in the episode for a reason.

It's the Checkov's gun theory for stories, plays and movies. You don't have a 20 minute scene of cats and then never refer to the cats again. Same with TV episodes, you don't create an entire scene and then never acknowledge the scene or the contents in that scene again.

The guy trying to explain this theory was a script writer and says that good TV writers will show an audience almost everything they need to see. Same guy worked with the person who wrote the Breaking Bad episode that featured a certain shot of a house plant/flower...that ended up becoming a huge part of season five.

[Hal-9000]

Why I mention all of that script writing/shot choice stuff above is because there's a reason they showed Glen in that odd position and camera angle and not just a straight down shot or side shot of him getting mauled. It would have been very jarring for them to show intestines and viscera being pulled right out of Glen's stomach or him getting bitten on the neck/face...even once. It didn't happen.

Whether it's no death, delayed death or instant death...they're doing something unusual with that whole scene. Otherwise why keep showing Glen from the perspective of being below, or at foot level when he first fell off of the dumpster?

[DemonGeminiX]

I've read several interviews on the net with the showmakers, producers, etc... and based on what they're saying, how they're phrasing things, I'm getting the vibe that Glenn survives this incident. They don't say outright that he lives, I'm just getting the vibe from what they're saying that he lives.


Fonzi's approaching the ramp...

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I've read several interviews on the net with the showmakers, producers, etc... and based on what they're saying, how they're phrasing things, I'm getting the vibe that Glenn survives this incident. They don't say outright that he lives, I'm just getting the vibe from what they're saying that he lives.


Fonzi's approaching the ramp...

They have to know that if Glen survives this, that they will be accused of jumping an epic shark and that nobody will look at the show the same way again.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://i.imgur.com/nkgz0Xj.jpg

[Hal-9000]

I have faith that the writers know how invested the fans are and won't screw this up...they're pretty careful about showing things that fit into other things weeks or seasons later :thumbsup:

[Goofy]

Fonzi's approaching the ramp...


http://i.imgur.com/nkgz0Xj.jpg

:confused:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:confused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

[Goofy]

I did not know that :lol: Used to watch Happy Days when i was a kid but don't remember ever seeing that episode. tbh, the first few episodes of this season have been as good as any imho so i don't see it as being the downhill slide moment :)

[Hal-9000]

:lol:

It's amazing how many people who love TV and modern culture don't know that reference.....because so many shows eventually do end up jumping the shark :lol:

[Goofy]

:lol:

It's amazing how many people who love TV and modern culture don't know that reference.....because so many shows eventually do end up jumping the shark :lol:

It must be more of an American thing, i've never heard anyone this side of the pond say that

[Hal-9000]

Heroes was a good example....great first season and through a writer's strike the series just went down the shitter...people died, BUT NO they're alive again!

It usually happens when a show sets up some internal rules for their world and then does something that goes against everything they formerly did or had in place.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

http://i.imgur.com/c6P48Jt.jpg


:rofl:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

It must be more of an American thing, i've never heard anyone this side of the pond say that

You never watched Happy Days, Fonzie LITERALLY jumps the shark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I can honestly say that if Glen survived that whole scene without some sort of plausible explanation, and by plausible I mean we have to believe that ic absolutely could have happened and it's not something convoluted that the writers devised while sitting there purposely plotting a fake-out death, then I won't ever look at the show the same again.

[Hal-9000]

You never watched Happy Days, Fonzie LITERALLY jumps the shark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE

Gawd I remember watching that with my family as a kid...they promoted it like it was the first moon landing on TV

[Hal-9000]

I can honestly say that if Glen survived that whole scene without some sort of plausible explanation, and by plausible I mean we have to believe that ic absolutely could have happened and it's not something convoluted that the writers devised while sitting there purposely plotting a fake-out death, then I won't ever look at the show the same again.

Let me plant my flag here....I predict one of two outcomes.

1. Glen will get away for awhile (10 seconds to two weeks) and then get killed with a shocking scene out of no where.
2. Someone will come to that alley and use sound to draw the zombies away/Glen scurries under the dumpster or goes into a nearby sewer.

[Goofy]

My money's on Daryl riding to the rescue :ok:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

My money's on Daryl riding to the rescue :ok:

Daryl headed back and met up with the guys leading the zombie horde away from Alexandria

[Goofy]

Daryl headed back and met up with the guys leading the zombie horde away from Alexandria

He'll jump over a shark...... then that barbed wire fence :ok:

[Goofy]

zombie sharks :shock:

[Hal-9000]

He'll jump over a shark...... then that barbed wire fence :ok:

I knew it could be done [-(

[Griffin]

Have any of you read the Walking Dead series of novels ( not comics ) by Robert Kirkman?

I Predict the street collapsing under weight into a tunnel.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I Predict the street collapsing under weight into a tunnel.

http://i.imgur.com/ZHNlx4x.jpg

[Goofy]

Have any of you read the Walking Dead series of novels ( not comics ) by Robert Kirkman?

I Predict the street collapsing under weight into a tunnel.

I actually have the novels at home, got them for free! My mum works part time for a house cleaning company and one of their customers was clearing out a heap of books, she grabbed the zombie ones for me :lol:

[Griffin]

that's a good mummy.
The story line in the novels is completely different from the show.I haven't read the comics so have now idea how they relate.

[Hal-9000]

Have any of you read the Walking Dead series of novels ( not comics ) by Robert Kirkman?

I Predict the street collapsing under weight into a tunnel.

:thumbsup: out of the fryin pan..

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Now one of the big theories that has Glen surviving is that the whole thing was a hallucination by Nicholas :facepalm:

[DemonGeminiX]

If Nicholas is hallucinating stuff, the rest of the group should put him down.

[-(

[Hal-9000]

Now one of the big theories that has Glen surviving is that the whole thing was a hallucination by Nicholas :facepalm:

Yeah he went into fugue state on top of that dumpster...hope this isn't the answer

[Hal-9000]

If Nicholas is hallucinating stuff, the rest of the group should put him down.

[-(

Glen should tape him to the front of his body and call it Nick-Kevlar :tup:

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yeah he went into fugue state on top of that dumpster...hope this isn't the answer

If that is how they keep Glen alive and it was all a fake-out 'dream sequence' kinda ploy, then they went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond just jumping the shark

[Teh One Who Knocks]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/detail-may-prove-that-walking-dead-character-is-alive_562f9dd7e4b00aa54a4b4480

[DemonGeminiX]

:|

Might as well make the whole show one big nightmare that Rick has while he's still in a coma at the hospital.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

The 'dream sequence' or any variance of it, is the biggest cop-out in TV and if TWD pulled that, I will never look at the show the same way again.