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JoeyB
10-31-2011, 11:20 PM
This article covers many bases, from the vaccine/autism link, the over vaccinated nature of American kids, the corruption of the CDC, to the shaky effectiveness of the flu shot.

The latest scandal to hit the CDC is explosive: what appears to be a deliberate cover-up of damning scientific data.

Thimerosal, a controversial mercury compound used as a preservative in certain vaccines, was removed from all vaccines in Denmark in 1992. A subsequent Danish study showed a marked decline in autism rates following the removal of thimerosal, indicating a clear link between mercury in vaccines and the development of autism.

Documents obtained by the Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs (CoMeD) through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) suggest that officials at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were fully aware of the Danish data, yet published an article about the study in the journal Pediatrics which excluded this information, manipulated the data to misrepresent the decline as an increase, and propagated the erroneous conclusion that thimerosal in vaccines does not cause autism.

As CoMeD noted, one of the Danish study’s co-authors was aware of the omission in the initial draft of the Pediatrics article, and alerted CDC officials in a 2002 email: “Attached I send you the short and long manuscript about thimerosal and autism in Denmark. I need to tell you that [your] figures do not include the latest data from 2001, but the incidence and prevalence are still decreasing in 2001.”

The lead author of the Pediatrics article seemed to be aware of the missing autism data, because he replied in an email, “I am not currently at the university but I will contact you and <names withheld> tomorrow to make up our minds.” Despite this, the data from 2001 showing a decline in autism was not mentioned in the draft of the Pediatrics article, and in a 2002 letter to the editor of Pediatrics, CDC officials encouraged expedited review and publication of the article. The misleading article was published by Pediatrics in 2003.

CoMeD, led by biochemist Brian Hooker, PhD, is demanding that the CDC launch an immediate investigation of the officials involved to determine if there was scientific fraud. CoMeD is also calling for a full retraction of the deceptive Pediatrics article.

The CoMeD work and other elements of this scandal have also been brilliantly reported by Tim Bolen on his must-read Bolen Report.

This is not the first scandal to hit the CDC in recent years. Earlier this year, Dr. Poul Thorsen, one of the co-authors of the Pediatrics article and “scientist-in-residence” at the CDC from 2000 to 2002, was indicted in Atlanta for fraud and money laundering in relation to his $11 million grant from the CDC. And just last week, Dr. Kimberly Quinlan Lindsey, a top CDC official, was arrested and charged with two counts of child molestation and one count of bestiality.

While thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, it is still routinely used in vaccines given to children in the Third World— in other words, to kids who may have compromised immune systems to start with, if their diet has been poor or the quality of the water they drink is bad. They need more protection, not less. In the US, thimerosal is still found in many flu shots, which are becoming increasingly routine for adults and strongly encouraged for the elderly and children.

Speaking of flu shots, a new study on the effectiveness of flu vaccines has been published in the British medical journal Lancet Infectious Diseases. The media is reporting that the study says flu shots are “only about 60% effective”—a lower percentage than the public had been told previously. Unfortunately, even the 60% figure is misleading.

In the study, test subjects were divided into two groups. The control group was not vaccinated; only 2.7 percent of them caught the flu. The treatment group received the vaccine, and of them, only 1.2 percent caught the flu. That means that for every 100 adults vaccinated, only 1.5 of them will avoid influenza as a result. Mike Adams has a fascinating analysis that reveals where the misleading 60% figure comes from (hint: it’s called “massaging the numbers,” and it’s an old statistical trick that the vaccine and pharmaceutical industries use to inflate their reports on the drug’s effectiveness).

Even the CDC admits, on its own website, that flu shot immunity is at best temporary. Why the shot does not confer the kind of immunity provided by other vaccines is not explained, but it presumably has to do with the changing nature of the flu virus. What is also not explained is why the CDC may recommend exactly the same shot two years in a row, which suggests that the agency does not think the flu virus has significantly changed, but the shot a year earlier is not expected to confer any remaining immunity. What is never explored is the possibility that the shot simply fails to confer much immunity at all, which could be tested by seeing if immunized people actually do get the flu, something that the government refuses to do.

Regular readers will know about vitamin D as a natural way to prevent and treat influenza viruses—including Swine Flu. A Japanese study last year showed that schoolchildren who were given vitamin D3 supplements were three times less likely to develop cold or flu symptoms as children who did not take the vitamin.

Speaking of Japan, an article in a respected medical journal points out that infants there get twelve vaccines, not the twenty-six that US infants are supposed to get. Infant mortality is also less than half what it is overall in the US. Clearly it needs more research. The same article states that the US administers more infant vaccines than any other developed nation and ranks behind 33 developed nations in infant mortality.

Griffin
10-31-2011, 11:24 PM
A man walks into the dentist's office and after the dentist examines him, he says, "that tooth has to come out. I'm going to give you a shot of Novocain and I'll be back in a few minutes."

The man grabs the dentist's arm, "no way. I hate needles I'm not having any shot!"

So the dentist says, "okay, we'll have to go with the gas."

The man replies, "absolutely not. It makes me very sick for a couple of days. I'm not having gas."

So the dentist steps out and comes back with a glass of water, "here," he says. "Take this pill."

The man asks "What is it?"

The doc replies, "Viagra."

The man looks surprised, "will that kill the pain?" he asks.

"No," replies the dentist, "but it will give you something to hang on to while I pull your tooth!"

Loser
10-31-2011, 11:25 PM
TL: DR, will read later, sorry.

Just wanted to say something.

I've never had a flu shot or the flu. The only person I know who has had the flu shot was my eldest brother.

He got a flu shot once, and when he did, he was laid up in a hospital for a week.

JoeyB
10-31-2011, 11:31 PM
TL: DR, will read later, sorry.

Just wanted to say something.

I've never had a flu shot or the flu. The only person I know who has had the flu shot was my eldest brother.

He got a flu shot once, and when he did, he was laid up in a hospital for a week.

Yeah, a lot of people get sick from it~!! I'd never have one myself. As a timesaver for you, here is what you need to know about the flu shot from the article. The drug it is mixed with is the one likely causing autism.

While thimerosal has been removed from most vaccines in the US, it is still routinely used in vaccines given to children in the Third World— in other words, to kids who may have compromised immune systems to start with, if their diet has been poor or the quality of the water they drink is bad. They need more protection, not less. In the US, thimerosal is still found in many flu shots, which are becoming increasingly routine for adults and strongly encouraged for the elderly and children.

Speaking of flu shots, a new study on the effectiveness of flu vaccines has been published in the British medical journal Lancet Infectious Diseases. The media is reporting that the study says flu shots are “only about 60% effective”—a lower percentage than the public had been told previously. Unfortunately, even the 60% figure is misleading.

In the study, test subjects were divided into two groups. The control group was not vaccinated; only 2.7 percent of them caught the flu. The treatment group received the vaccine, and of them, only 1.2 percent caught the flu. That means that for every 100 adults vaccinated, only 1.5 of them will avoid influenza as a result. Mike Adams has a fascinating analysis that reveals where the misleading 60% figure comes from (hint: it’s called “massaging the numbers,” and it’s an old statistical trick that the vaccine and pharmaceutical industries use to inflate their reports on the drug’s effectiveness).

Even the CDC admits, on its own website, that flu shot immunity is at best temporary.

KevinD
10-31-2011, 11:39 PM
It continues to astound me that folks who are willing to see "conspiracies" in stuff like this, still will not admit that "Global Warming" so called data has been manipulated by Government agencies (who often seem to make a buck or two on this) and by scientists (who definitely make a buck or two at the government trough.

(I'm not pointing to anyone here in particular, so please don't take offense)

DemonGeminiX
11-01-2011, 12:30 AM
It continues to astound me that folks who are willing to see "conspiracies" in stuff like this, still will not admit that "Global Warming" so called data has been manipulated by Government agencies (who often seem to make a buck or two on this) and by scientists (who definitely make a buck or two at the government trough.

(I'm not pointing to anyone here in particular, so please don't take offense)

I hate to break the news to you, Kev, but global warming has been proven true by the skeptical scientists who were trying to disprove it. It's time to accept that it's real, bro.

KevinD
11-01-2011, 12:38 AM
Really? I missed that post.
BTW, my personal beef with "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" isn't that it is happening, but more so that It's all mankind's fault.

DemonGeminiX
11-01-2011, 12:45 AM
Really? I missed that post.
BTW, my personal beef with "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" isn't that it is happening, but more so that It's all mankind's fault.

Well, that is a matter of contention. But, it is true that the climate has changed, and it probably will continue.

The article wasn't that long ago. I bet if you google news search on global warming or climate change, you'd find it.

deebakes
11-01-2011, 01:08 AM
my employer just today had a mandatory vaccination program at a mass dispensing flu clinic that all employees were required to get :-k

KevinD
11-01-2011, 01:11 AM
I found this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/skeptics-own-study-finds-climate-change-real-but-says-scientists-should-be-more-critical/2011/10/31/gIQAYjXQYM_story.html

And while it is interesting, I wouldn't call it definitive by any means. Not saying he's wrong. Not enough data in the article.

I also found this ( What his partner had to say, supposedly)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/9584-self-proclaimed-climate-change-convert-accused-of-deception

And another that seems to refute Mueller's conclusions, including a graph taken from Mueller's own data.

http://thegwpf.org/the-observatory/4230-best-confirms-global-temperature-standstill.html

At this point, I'd have to say it's still up in the air. (pun intended) lol

Teh One Who Knocks
11-01-2011, 01:14 AM
my employer just today had a mandatory vaccination program at a mass dispensing flu clinic that all employees were required to get :-k

http://i.imgur.com/1PVJt.jpg

KevinD
11-01-2011, 01:16 AM
Back onto the OP,

I have had all the normal vaccinations as a child that were required then. Also from Military service. Over the last 6 years, I have had extensive additional vaccinations due to travel. This year was the first time I got a "Flu" shot. I'd have to check my shot records to see which one it was. So far, no ill effects.
When my youngest daughter was younger, she was diagnosed with Asperger's (mild autism) After researching it, I have come to the conclusion that I have had this all my life, and believe my Mother has it as well. Now, my mother is old enough that she didn't have any immunizations when she was young, and her parents had none. This proves nothing though.

deebakes
11-01-2011, 01:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1PVJt.jpg

:zombie:

RBP
11-01-2011, 02:18 AM
The immunization-autism link has long been disproven but the myth continues.

deebakes
11-01-2011, 02:21 AM
just like that hiv-aids junk :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
11-01-2011, 02:26 AM
The immunization-autism link has long been disproven but the myth continues.

Same with the flu shot thing...I've never had a flu shot, but I have had the flu more than once so that obviously means...

...someone is sneaking into my apartment and giving me flu shots when I'm asleep :shock:




:tinfoil:

Griffin
11-01-2011, 02:32 AM
...someone is sneaking into my apartment and giving me flu shots when I'm asleep :shock:




that's why I lock my doors, set my burglar alarm and sleep under the dirty clothes pile in the laundry room.

Teh One Who Knocks
11-01-2011, 02:40 AM
that's why I lock my doors, set my burglar alarm and sleep under the dirty clothes pile in the laundry room.

That doesn't sound like a bad idea :-k

Griffin
11-01-2011, 02:41 AM
I've found that no one will disturb my dirty undies.

deebakes
11-01-2011, 02:42 AM
I've found that no one will disturb my dirty undies.

except probably the crabs :-k

JoeyB
11-01-2011, 05:19 AM
my employer just today had a mandatory vaccination program at a mass dispensing flu clinic that all employees were required to get :-k

I'd question the legality of that, as they are forcing you to have a medical procedure...but honestly, fucked if I know.

Passive medical screenings, such as 'pee in this cup' are one thing, but this is invasive. There is a big difference between the two.

Don't get it, challenge their authority.


Back onto the OP,

I have had all the normal vaccinations as a child that were required then. Also from Military service. Over the last 6 years, I have had extensive additional vaccinations due to travel. This year was the first time I got a "Flu" shot. I'd have to check my shot records to see which one it was. So far, no ill effects.
When my youngest daughter was younger, she was diagnosed with Asperger's (mild autism) After researching it, I have come to the conclusion that I have had this all my life, and believe my Mother has it as well. Now, my mother is old enough that she didn't have any immunizations when she was young, and her parents had none. This proves nothing though.

Dude...I truly believe autism is caused by a lot of things. I also believe that certain chemical compounds used in the delivery fluids of vaccinations are one of the causes. It's not the drug itself.


The immunization-autism link has long been disproven but the myth continues.

Did you read my article? And, I really wish I remember where I read it, but there was a study awhile back to determine the dangers of a new vaccine...they used the two traditional study groups, the ones who had the vaccine and those who received a blank shot. It was a blind test, neither those giving the shots nor those receiving them had any idea who was getting what. In the end they found no distinction in incidence of side effects between the two groups, though both had some rather serious effects. As it turns out, rather than giving a saline shot, the drug company ordered that the group not receiving the vaccination be given the carrier of the drug...that soupy chemical mix that all vaccinations are held in. This was done because to make sure there was no difference between the two and to make their vaccine appear safe. Basically, they knew what was causing the damage. Again...as I said above, it is the chemicals in the carrier liquid that are causing a lot of damage. It was one of those, Thimerosal, that was outlawed in Denmark and led to the reduction of autism cases as reported in this article. But, that is only one problem chemical.


I've found that no one will disturb my dirty undies.

Hal hasn't read about this yet, has he?

Deepsepia
11-01-2011, 03:32 PM
With respect, this article is dangerous nonsense. Vaccine paranoia and vilification of the CDC is one of the memes running around the blogosphere.

The vaccine-autism "link" for example, has been exhaustively researched-- it's fiction.

Vaccines are the single best bet you can make for your child's health. Starting with Edward Jenner and the smallpox, vaccines have made things that plagued humanity history. Ask your grandparents about polio, about the wards filled with iron lungs. Ask a woman who's just gotten a diagnosis of cervical cancer whether she'd like her daughter to get an HPV vaccine.

The CDC is one of the many things that the US Federal government does that are considered "best in the world". When there's an outbreak of a new disease somewhere, it's the CDC (and to a lesser extent, the WHO) who run it down. These are the guys who keep Ebola and SARS from your house, and they deserve support, not condemnation.

JoeyB
11-01-2011, 09:45 PM
With respect, this article is dangerous nonsense. Vaccine paranoia and vilification of the CDC is one of the memes running around the blogosphere.

The vaccine-autism "link" for example, has been exhaustively researched-- it's fiction.

Vaccines are the single best bet you can make for your child's health. Starting with Edward Jenner and the smallpox, vaccines have made things that plagued humanity history. Ask your grandparents about polio, about the wards filled with iron lungs. Ask a woman who's just gotten a diagnosis of cervical cancer whether she'd like her daughter to get an HPV vaccine.

The CDC is one of the many things that the US Federal government does that are considered "best in the world". When there's an outbreak of a new disease somewhere, it's the CDC (and to a lesser extent, the WHO) who run it down. These are the guys who keep Ebola and SARS from your house, and they deserve support, not condemnation.

They deserve careful watching over like any federal agency does, and when they allow harmful activities, it should be questioned.

Again, as apparently nobody has bothered to read any of my postings on this...it is not the actual vaccines in question here...the material that prevents polio or flu and other diseases...it is the carrier fluid, the mixture in which the biological material is suspended, that is causing all these problems. This needs to be addressed, and freaking out over how awful Polio is does not in any way help end the health implications associated with the carrier fluids.

Acid Trip
11-01-2011, 09:50 PM
Well, that is a matter of contention. But, it is true that the climate has changed, and it probably will continue.

The article wasn't that long ago. I bet if you google news search on global warming or climate change, you'd find it.

The Earth changed climates/temperatures for billions of years BEFORE mankind ever existed. Four ice ages and subsequent melts prove that. How did all that happen without humans?

Point is the Earth's climate is always changing regardless of what we do. Can you definitively prove climate change is because of humans? No.

Edit: Back to the flu...

The one year I didn't get the flu shot I got it and was out of work for a week. I've gotten the flu shot every year since (11 years running) and have yet to get the flu again. Even when friends caught the flu (friends I routinely smoke blunts with) I never got it.

Global Warming: http://www.cato.org/special/climatechange/cato_climate.pdf