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Teh One Who Knocks
03-02-2011, 03:39 PM
By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press


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WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.

The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Samuel Alito dissented.

Roberts said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church.

"Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," Roberts said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."

Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said.

Matthew Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.

The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.

They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.

The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession.

Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked Matthew's parents for the way they brought up their son.

Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million.

The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability.

Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism."

While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.

Roberts described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."

But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."

Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment."

She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins."

Southern Belle
03-02-2011, 03:45 PM
If the media idiots would just ignore them.....

Hugh_Janus
03-02-2011, 05:14 PM
I wonder if that fred phelps' funeral will be picketed :-k

Godfather
03-02-2011, 06:40 PM
I totally get that if they had ruled against these fundamentalist nut-bags it would start that whole very slippery slope where all of a sudden you can start ruling where people can and cannot speak their mind. In as much as I hate it, I do believe the courts were right...


So this needs to be dealt with in a more grassroots way.. like belle said, the media ignoring them would be a brilliant start. Friends of the fallen standing between the protesters and the families is another great one. We've seen that a few times and it's very powerful.



...An ex-spec ops operator going off the rails and lighting a few of them up wouldn't be the worst thing either now would it :-k

RBP
03-02-2011, 07:49 PM
...An ex-spec ops operator going off the rails and lighting a few of them up wouldn't be the worst thing either now would it :-k

:-s

Loser
03-02-2011, 09:19 PM
...An ex-spec ops operator going off the rails and lighting a few of them up wouldn't be the worst thing either now would it :-k


It'll happen eventually. It's really only a matter of time.

RBP
03-02-2011, 09:24 PM
I hope not.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-02-2011, 09:27 PM
...An ex-spec ops operator going off the rails and lighting a few of them up wouldn't be the worst thing either now would it :-k


It'll happen eventually. It's really only a matter of time.

I agree....and I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened yet.

If I had a family member in the military that came back KIA and these motherfuckers came anywhere near the funeral, I would seriously consider it.

beowulf
03-02-2011, 09:28 PM
i was reading how Anonymous hacked Westbro website for fun a week or so ago...................westbro went off the rails and calling Anon all the names and actually told them 'to bring it on'


*gets popcorn cos this might be fun to watch*

http://i55.tinypic.com/21mw7ro.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
03-02-2011, 09:42 PM
i was reading how Anonymous hacked Westbro website for fun a week or so ago...................westbro went off the rails and calling Anon all the names and actually told them 'to bring it on'


*gets popcorn cos this might be fun to watch*

http://i55.tinypic.com/21mw7ro.jpg

I think that these fuckheads at Westboro could get any kind of threat against them and no one anywhere in the world would feel sorry for them in the least.

beowulf
03-02-2011, 09:46 PM
but you know Anonymous could do it with ease and make it very amusing for the rest of us

like someone on the forum i was on the other day put it.......be fun to have the whole westboro website turned into a full on gay porn site with added meatspin :lol::lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-02-2011, 09:48 PM
That would be freaking hilarious :lol:

:thumbsup:

beowulf
03-02-2011, 09:58 PM
hahahaha....just read a better idea on a blog.................fill the westboro site with porn pics of mohammed so they get a jihad unleashed on them :lol:

Godfather
03-02-2011, 10:06 PM
I hope not.

Ahh you know I didn't mean it seriously... I'm not even in favor of capital punishment to be honest....

But I find this shit so vile... and if some moderate Canuck finds it extraordinarily offensive, it's anyone's guess how long before someone more radical and closer to a KIA just loses it :wha:

Godfather
03-02-2011, 10:09 PM
These guys are the best solution :thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders

Hugh_Janus
03-02-2011, 10:15 PM
i was reading how Anonymous hacked Westbro website for fun a week or so ago...................westbro went off the rails and calling Anon all the names and actually told them 'to bring it on'


*gets popcorn cos this might be fun to watch*

http://i55.tinypic.com/21mw7ro.jpg

last 2 lines of the bbc report


It called the threat a "bad miscalculation", and appeared to goad Anonymous to action, with the phrase "bring it!".

The church's website, godhatesfags.com was unavailable.

:lol: