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redred
12-08-2011, 06:11 PM
The Home Office has announced longer jail sentences for murders motivated by hostility to a transgender person.

The starting point used by the judge to set the tariff - or minimum term - will double from 15 to 30 years.

Ministers say an amendment will be added to the Legal Aid Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill.

The Ministry of Justice later confirmed that the 30-year minimum would also apply for murders motivated by hatred towards a disabled person.

Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said: "Hate crimes are abhorrent, they leave sections of society living in fear and at risk of unprovoked violence.

"These proposals make clear offenders should be in no doubt that they face a more severe sentence for these unacceptable crimes."

In September this year Leon Fyle, 23, was jailed for life for the murder of Destiny Lauren, a pre-operative transgender person who worked as a prostitute.

Fyle, who was convicted after a retrial, was given a 21-year tariff.

'Breaking down barriers'
There are no specific figures for violence or hostility towards trans people but it is believed to be on the increase.

The murder of Ms Lauren, who had been born Justin Samuels, was one of a number of recent murders of transgender people.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the government had launched a strategy in England and Wales to drive out transgender prejudice.

On Thursday the Home Office launched the first ever national strategy to promote transgender equality.

Unveiling the plan on YouTube, Home Office Minister Lynne Featherstone said: "It's an important step, but I recognise that government can only go so far.

"So we will be working with schools, businesses and communities so that together, we can drive change and help consign transphobia to the past."

April Ashley, who became the first person to undergo sex-change surgery in Britain in 1960, said: "There are so many support groups out there, unlike when I did my transition 52 years ago when there was no help at all.

"Today's announcement shows we are moving forward to breaking down barriers and educating people."

The Gender Identity Research and Education Society welcomed the plan: "It contains a welcome range of commitments from major government departments to improve the lives of trans people.

"Trans people recognise that there is much more to do and will continue their productive relationship with the government."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16089715

Teh One Who Knocks
12-08-2011, 06:14 PM
I think 'hate crime' laws are a dangerous and slippery slope

PorkChopSandwiches
12-08-2011, 06:26 PM
I think 'hate crime' laws are a dangerous and slippery slope

I hate the hate crime laws, why does me getting killed any less criminal then if a gay guy gets killed :roll:

DemonGeminiX
12-08-2011, 06:38 PM
I hate the hate crime laws, why does me getting killed any less criminal then if a gay guy gets killed :roll:

:nono:

Because the gay guy has a better eye for fashion.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-08-2011, 07:39 PM
that makes sense, but what about a black guy

Richard Cranium
12-08-2011, 07:41 PM
I guess it's time for me to pick a new hobby..

RBP
12-08-2011, 07:44 PM
I tend to agree that hate crime laws are not good.

RBP
12-08-2011, 07:45 PM
I guess it's time for me to pick a new hobby..

:shock:

RBP
12-08-2011, 07:47 PM
Do people hate handicapped people, like enough to beat them up?

Teh One Who Knocks
12-08-2011, 07:53 PM
I tend to agree that hate crime laws are not good.

It's tantamount to being a thought crime.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-08-2011, 08:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZEWC3NGZtI

redred
12-08-2011, 08:05 PM
Do people hate handicapped people, like enough to beat them up?

only when they park in able bodied parking spaces:outtahere:



(joking big time with that remark)

Acid Trip
12-08-2011, 08:14 PM
I tend to agree that hate crime laws are not good.

I'm with you. Why is one person's death a more serious offense than anothers? Because they want to make an example, that's why.

Hugh_Janus
12-08-2011, 11:09 PM
(joking big time with that remark)
:ghey:

Griffin
12-08-2011, 11:56 PM
hate crime? :-k

...are love murders really that common?

DemonGeminiX
12-09-2011, 12:04 AM
that makes sense, but what about a black guy

:-s

On average, they're better at professional sports.


Do people hate handicapped people, like enough to beat them up?

:-s

No one's tried to take me on yet.

Southern Belle
12-09-2011, 12:06 AM
I hate the hate crime laws, why does me getting killed any less criminal then if a gay guy gets killed :roll:

Exactly. I'm about sick of reverse discrimination. If you're white, Christian, normal, you don't have a chance.

Hugh_Janus
12-09-2011, 12:07 AM
*full nelsons DGX*

DemonGeminiX
12-09-2011, 12:08 AM
*full nelsons DGX*

:-s

What are you doing rubbing my shoulders? I'm not that kind of guy.

[-(

Teh One Who Knocks
12-09-2011, 12:09 AM
:gay:

Hugh_Janus
12-09-2011, 12:11 AM
:-s

What are you doing rubbing my shoulders? I'm not that kind of guy.

[-(
you will be when I'm finished with you :dance:

:gay:

*teabags lance*

Teh One Who Knocks
12-09-2011, 12:12 AM
*teabags lance*

:fire:

DemonGeminiX
12-09-2011, 12:17 AM
you will be when I'm finished with you :dance:

:-s


:overkill:

Hugh_Janus
12-09-2011, 12:19 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/wsth8i.gif

DemonGeminiX
12-09-2011, 12:26 AM
:acid:

deebakes
12-09-2011, 02:17 AM
that makes sense, but what about a black guy

:hand:

PorkChopSandwiches
12-09-2011, 04:02 PM
my bad

Hal-9000
12-09-2011, 05:48 PM
people, people...two sets of genitals = longer sentences.It is two people we're talking about...

Deepsepia
12-11-2011, 11:49 AM
I think 'hate crime' laws are a dangerous and slippery slope

Agreed on that one.

We give a lot of weight to some aspects of "state of mind" in punishment-- premeditated murder is very different than a crime of passion-- but "hate" crimes are a problem. The thing is, you're constitutionally permitted to hold appalling views. You are also entitled to equal protection under the law, in spite of your appalllimg views.

Hate crime seems to me to be a largely unnecessary category. Murderers can get much higher sentences for "aggravating circumstances" -- a crime motivated by racial hatred would fall into that category generally