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Teh One Who Knocks
12-18-2011, 12:47 PM
By Revital Blumenfeld - Haaretz News


A woman passenger on a public bus from Ashdod to Jerusalem Friday was told by an ultra-Orthodox male passenger to move to the back of the bus. The man held the door of the bus open and would not allow it to move for approximately 30 minutes.

When other passengers began to complain about the delay, the driver called the police. The policeman who arrived on the scene spoke with the man and then also asked the woman, Tanya Rosenblit, to move to the back of the bus. When she refused, the man who had been holding the door alighted and the bus continued on its way.

Rosenblit, who said she was dressed modestly, was traveling on Egged bus 451 to get to work in Jerusalem. She said a Haredi man, who boarded two stops after she did, refused to allow the driver to close the door after he saw Rosenblit. Rosenblit said the man called her a derogatory word for a non-Jewish woman, and told the driver it was his right to have her sit in the back and that he had paid to be able to do so.

At that point, Rosenblit said other passengers called on the driver to intervene because they were late. Some wanted to get off the bus and have their money refunded. At that point, Rosenblit said, the driver called the police.

The policeman who arrived on the scene took the man aside for "a pleasant conversation," Rosenblit said, after which the policeman asked her if she would move to the back of the bus.

After Rosenblit refused, the man who had held the door got off and Rosenblit continued on her way. "The reason I am posting this story is not to declare that Orthodox Jews as pure evil ... I want to point out that this is a social and educational problem," Rosenblit wrote on her Facebook page.

Egged spokesman Ron Ratner condemned the incident, but said such incidents were increasing and that Egged's directives clearly prohibit the driver from "permitting or creating any separation on the bus unless it is voluntary," and instructing to call the police in such cases. Ratner advised Rosenblit to submit a complaint to Egged's ombudsman so the incident could be scrutinized more closely.

deebakes
12-18-2011, 03:24 PM
Rosenblit Parks ftw! :tup:

JoeyB
12-18-2011, 09:08 PM
Rosenblit Parks ftw! :tup:

Rosa Parks...one of the least deserving titled 'heroes' ever.

deebakes
12-18-2011, 09:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3FddL.gif

Arkady Renko
12-21-2011, 12:38 PM
Rosa Parks...one of the least deserving titled 'heroes' ever.

ya think? do tell....

JoeyB
12-21-2011, 09:31 PM
ya think? do tell....

Honestly? Alright, but only in a nutshell. So briefly: Her action was one of frustration, nothing more. Other people had already done the same thing. It was rather a complete and utter non event, she was arrested, fined, and released. End of story...almost. Civil rights leaders then picked up on it and used her as a symbol. It was only as a symbol that she became an icon. And she pretty much milked it for all it was worth. My opinion. Others vary. I've always found her to be the slightest of the civil rights era icons.

And for the record, there were a lot of genuinely motivated heroes to be found in that time period, from MLK on down...but Rosa, to my way of thinking, is not one of them. Some of those true heroes were among those who championed Rosa, but I suspect even they knew it was pure symbolism. But a good story can sometimes be all it takes to get the ball rolling.

On her own though, without that backing and without becoming a poster girl of the movement, without the forced artificiality of her iconographic status, she would have been nothing. It was always the movement, never her.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not anti-Rosa Parks. She was involved in the civil rights movement both before and after the bus incident, she was a decent person. I just feel that some truth to the whole thing wouldn't hurt, historically speaking.

Hal-9000
12-21-2011, 10:50 PM
so now blacks get to ride at the front of the bus and women have the back?


:confused: these rules are hard to keep up with

deebakes
12-22-2011, 02:14 AM
what's a bus? :-k

Southern Belle
12-22-2011, 03:15 AM
Good for her. What is it with the men in the middle east? Buncha barbarians the lot of them. I'm glad the women are bowing up on them.

Arkady Renko
12-22-2011, 12:41 PM
Honestly? Alright, but only in a nutshell. So briefly: Her action was one of frustration, nothing more. Other people had already done the same thing. It was rather a complete and utter non event, she was arrested, fined, and released. End of story...almost. Civil rights leaders then picked up on it and used her as a symbol. It was only as a symbol that she became an icon. And she pretty much milked it for all it was worth. My opinion. Others vary. I've always found her to be the slightest of the civil rights era icons.

And for the record, there were a lot of genuinely motivated heroes to be found in that time period, from MLK on down...but Rosa, to my way of thinking, is not one of them. Some of those true heroes were among those who championed Rosa, but I suspect even they knew it was pure symbolism. But a good story can sometimes be all it takes to get the ball rolling.

On her own though, without that backing and without becoming a poster girl of the movement, without the forced artificiality of her iconographic status, she would have been nothing. It was always the movement, never her.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not anti-Rosa Parks. She was involved in the civil rights movement both before and after the bus incident, she was a decent person. I just feel that some truth to the whole thing wouldn't hurt, historically speaking.

Oh, sure, I can totally see your point there, it's all a matter of perspective. there were probably thousands of people who took much greater risks in order to defy segregation and a lot of them got killed, tortured raped or maimed (or all of these). Still it's often those mundane everyday gestures that make the biggest impressio on people, which is why Rosa Parks' examlpe lent itself nicely to the cause.

JoeyB
12-22-2011, 09:43 PM
Oh, sure, I can totally see your point there, it's all a matter of perspective. there were probably thousands of people who took much greater risks in order to defy segregation and a lot of them got killed, tortured raped or maimed (or all of these). Still it's often those mundane everyday gestures that make the biggest impressio on people, which is why Rosa Parks' examlpe lent itself nicely to the cause.

Exactly, and remember, she was not the first to do the bus thing, just the one who became the image. Again, not hating on her, just find people fawning over her to be somewhat misinformed.

Symbols are everything though...which is why our army has a propaganda section. You still, to this day, sometimes see that image of the people in Iraq tearing down Saddam's statue...despite the fact the whole thing was conceived and completely staged by our military.

But it was priceless at the time.

I see Rosa that way, it's just she was hoisted onto a pedestal instead of being torn off one.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-22-2011, 09:53 PM
Now the busses are all black so its a non-issue

PorkChopSandwiches
12-22-2011, 09:54 PM
:racist:

Arkady Renko
12-23-2011, 12:20 PM
*segregates Porky from the long bus*

deebakes
12-23-2011, 11:50 PM
*segregates Porky from the long bus*

that's hot :drool:

PorkChopSandwiches
12-23-2011, 11:51 PM
:lol: