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Teh One Who Knocks
12-23-2011, 03:22 PM
By Aristea Brady - CBS Minnesota


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ST. PAUL (WCCO) – The grill in Tin Cup’s kitchen is always busy. In fact, their grill recently produced two one-pound burgers for the cable TV show “Man Vs. Food.”

But on a Sunday in October, near some small tents in front of the bar, hot dogs were cooking on a backyard grill.

You don’t need a permit to grill hot dogs at your home, but you do need a permit to grill them outside a bar in St. Paul. The owners of Tin Cup’s bar learned that the hard way, and had to pay a $500 fine.

“I think it’s a little stiff for a first-time offence, especially if you try to do everything that they did, and try to do it right,” said customer Tom Kapaun. “Maybe the City Council is mad they weren’t invited.”

The hot dogs were being grilled to give away, not to sell, but in the end that didn’t matter.

“We gave them away free, nobody had to purchase anything in order to get a free hot dog,” said Tin Cup’s co-owner Gidget Bailey.

The law says restaurants can’t give away food they make in their kitchens, so that’s why the hot dogs were cooked outside. The owners say they had asked the state health department about the grilling, but not the city.

“They told me there was no fire zone out there, so I was OK there,” said Bailey. “Was I going to be serving them outside? I said, ‘No, I would be bringing them inside for the patrons to eat inside.’ And they said then I did not have to pull a special event permit.”

The city ruled, however, that a special permit was needed. But now that the fine is paid, Tin Cup’s owners have had T-shirts made, poking fun at the whole ordeal. The shirts read: “Got a permit for that weiner?”

“You have to have a sense of humor about it. It would drive you crazy if you took it too seriously,” said co-owner Joan Knippenberg.

Acid Trip
12-23-2011, 05:46 PM
Isn't bureaucracy wonderful!

JoeyB
12-23-2011, 10:01 PM
Health regulations when it comes to food should be strict, I support this.

Acid Trip
12-23-2011, 10:19 PM
Health regulations when it comes to food should be strict, I support this.


The law says restaurants can’t give away food they make in their kitchens, so that’s why the hot dogs were cooked outside. The owners say they had asked the state health department about the grilling, but not the city.

The health department signed off on it. They even went on to say he didn't need the special permit the city later said he needed. Classic case of one hand not talking to the other.


“They told me there was no fire zone out there, so I was OK there,” said Bailey. “Was I going to be serving them outside? I said, ‘No, I would be bringing them inside for the patrons to eat inside.’ And they said then I did not have to pull a special event permit.”

JoeyB
12-23-2011, 10:25 PM
The health department signed off on it. They even went on to say he didn't need the special permit the city later said he needed. Classic case of one hand not talking to the other.

A businessman in the food industry should have known to check with both. Regulations vary.

Seriously, food borne illnesses from restaurants are rampant...any regulation is a good regulation.

But in the end, nothing changed, the food was still served...the guy who owns the place is pretending to be a victim, though if you look this over it was an extraordinarily minor event, and he will make lots of money selling his t-shirts and milking this for all it is worth.

But...it was his fault. He didn't check. Don't blame the city or the law.