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Teh One Who Knocks
01-02-2012, 08:52 PM
By James Tozer - The Daily Mail


A BMW driver is threatening to sue her local council claiming plans for a blanket 20mph speed limit will damage its powerful engine.

Diane Greenwood, 47, says her £25,000 car struggles to cope in fourth gear at such low speeds and she will be forced to drive around in third, putting extra strain on the engine and creating more pollution.

The mother-of-two is part of a growing campaign of motorists opposed to plans backed by Lib Dem coalition members for cars to be restricted to 20mph on all residential streets.

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However supporters of the new lower limits angrily dismissed her claims as selfish and ill-informed – and pointed out that they are already widespread in Germany, where BMWs are built.

Mrs Greenwood, whose husband Ken runs a construction company, mainly uses her diesel engine BMW 320d on short journeys around her home town of Cleveleys, Lancashire.

But the local county council is proposing to restrict speeds to 20mph on all roads passing through built-up areas except major through-routes by next year, saying it will cut emissions and accidents.

'I’ve been driving around this area for 30 years and seen speeds get slower and slower, and no-one’s been run over in that time,’ she said yesterday.

'In fourth gear, my car tries to push to 22mph, so I have to change down to third, which uses more fuel and puts more of a strain on the car.

'I’m all in favour of 20mph limits outside schools, but the roads around here are nice and wide, so not only is it pointless but it actually negates what they’re trying to achieve.

'It’s all very well saying I should get a smaller car, but I’ve only had my BMW for a year and it’s my pride and joy – why should I buy a small car if I don’t want one?

'If anything happens to my car, I’m going to sue the council and force them to cover the costs – it’s a matter of principle as far as I’m concerned.’

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According to the '20’s Plenty For Us’ campaign, Lancashire is the biggest of 27 local authorities covering 7.4million people currently committed to making 20mph the default speed limit for residential areas.

Campaign manager Anna Semlyen dismissed Mrs Greenwood’s objections, saying they were based on prejudice and not fact.

'If she’s a BMW driver, she’s not that interested in the environment, is she?’ she said. 'BMW drivers generally have them for status reasons.

'In any case, most people only spend about half a mile of their journeys on residential streets, so it’s not going to do damage to their cars, and the facts show emissions are actually reduced.

'And BMWs are made in Germany where many towns have a speed limit of 30 kilometres an hour, which is 18.6mph, so if they can’t cope with 20mph it doesn’ t say much for the German car industry.

'She’s just ignorant, and she wouldn’t win even if she did try to sue.’

According to the campaign’s figures, 20mph zones can cut casualties by more than a fifth while reducing emissions by 12 per cent and increasing journey times by on average just 40 seconds.

However Department for Transport analysis of a voluntary 20mph scheme introduced in Portsmouth in 2007 found average speeds dropped by barely 1mph while deaths and serious injuries actually increased.

In Lancashire, a group of motorists are planning a 5mph go-slow protest to highlight what they say is the harmful effect of the £9million scheme.

'It’s just ridiculous,’ said driving instructor Derek Ronson, from Preesall.

'It takes so long to get from A to B at this speed, yet there’s a 30mph limit past two schools.

'It would be fine on side roads, residential areas and near schools, but it’s crazy to put it in place on main roads as well.’

However Paul Binks, Lancashire County Council’s road and transport safety manager, said: 'People are much more likely to survive and have fewer injuries if involved in an accident at 20mph than 30mph.

'The impact on the environment is likely to be neutral as the roads included in the scheme already have relatively low average speeds and a further small reduction will have a minimal effect on air quality.

'It is quite difficult to drive efficiently at 30mph on many residential roads as the busy environment requires repeated acceleration and braking – driving at 20mph encourages a smoother driving style resulting in lower emissions.’

Wider support for 20mph zones is understood to be a condition agreed by the Lib Dems in return for backing an increase in the motorway speed limit to 80mph.

deebakes
01-02-2012, 09:51 PM
good for her :tup:

















she passed her driver's test finally!

Loser
01-02-2012, 11:51 PM
Every street where I currently live is 55mph.

Goofy
01-03-2012, 02:04 AM
I'd be happy with 20mph in residential areas if they increase the motorway/dual carriageway limits to 80mph :tup:

JoeyB
01-03-2012, 05:14 AM
I'd like to surgically weave her into the fabric of her car seat and then molest her trapped but still flailing body.

deebakes
01-03-2012, 05:15 AM
:wtf:

JoeyB
01-03-2012, 05:18 AM
:wtf:

Fuck the what now?

deebakes
01-03-2012, 05:29 AM
apparently car seats in joey's world :-k

JoeyB
01-03-2012, 05:34 AM
apparently car seats in joey's world :-k

In Joey's World, all men have heated car seats. As long as you keep feeding them, obviously.

Godfather
01-03-2012, 07:21 AM
I didn't know 3-Series came in diesel. Cool.

DemonGeminiX
01-03-2012, 10:28 AM
Her steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car.

:-k

Shady
01-03-2012, 11:11 AM
While I'm not quite sure on the cars gear ratio's, rev limit and ideal shifting spots, it seems to me like she is already fucking the car up by trying to drive the car in 4th gear at 22mph :huh:. Now I know diesels normally rev lower in general than normal but that just doesn't seem right to be in 4th gear while still mid 20's. If i remember right, BMW have either a 6 or 7 speed gear box but still that seems crazy to me.

Bottom line, if your car is close to stalling out in a gear, you're driving in the wrong gear. Engines are designed to work under extreme stresses, even if it is only 700 more rpm.

KevinD
01-03-2012, 04:34 PM
When I was in the service, one of the bases I was posted at had a base wide speed limit of 20mph. I had a little 4cly 4 speed manual (non overdrive) S-10 at the time. It would lug badly in 4th at 20 and would pull about 2500rpms in 3rd iirc. I can kinda see her point.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-03-2012, 04:37 PM
:waa:

Acid Trip
01-03-2012, 05:14 PM
I didn't know 3-Series came in diesel. Cool.

You can get just about any BMW as a diesel in Europe.

FBD
01-03-2012, 06:00 PM
4th gear? what the hell is she in 4th gear for going 20? my explorer would damn near stall if I had it in 4th going 20mph.

and if its an automatic, what is she watching the fkn gears??

that said, doesnt anyone realize making these rules that cars have gotten exponentially better at braking in the last 50 years, yet it make sense to reduce the speed limit?


ass backwards people, asssss backwards.

KevinD
01-03-2012, 06:08 PM
Cars, and tires, have indeed gotten much better over the last 50 years or so. Almost to the point where they are so easy to drive, that people don't pay as much attention while they are driving. Then you figure on how the demographics of drivers have changed, throw in makeup, newspapers, cell phones, etc.

I 'm not against lowering the limits in areas where you can prove that speed is a factor, but I will stand by my opinion that (at least here in the states) they need to make it mandatory to pass a written and driving test EVERY time you renew your license.

Hal-9000
01-03-2012, 06:16 PM
4th gear? what the hell is she in 4th gear for going 20? my explorer would damn near stall if I had it in 4th going 20mph.

and if its an automatic, what is she watching the fkn gears??

that said, doesnt anyone realize making these rules that cars have gotten exponentially better at braking in the last 50 years, yet it make sense to reduce the speed limit?


ass backwards people, asssss backwards.

That's the part that got me...I don't even drive a standard and she's talking about trying to put the vehicle in 4th all the time going around 20 or 30 mph?


:rofl: go away

Godfather
01-03-2012, 07:12 PM
You can get just about any BMW as a diesel in Europe.

That's awesome, I'd love a diesel vehicle. My cousin has a black VW Jetta in diesel. Really, really nice car.

Hugh_Janus
01-03-2012, 07:22 PM
dude.... BMW 330D Msport is an AWESOME car and one of the fastest reral world A to B cars I've driven

Hugh_Janus
01-03-2012, 07:24 PM
and I got sidetracked from what I came in here to post.... which was this --> :facepalm:

Godfather
01-03-2012, 07:29 PM
dude.... BMW 330D Msport is an AWESOME car and one of the fastest reral world A to B cars I've driven

So is Msport the equivalent to what they market as the M-series in North America? Because the M1, M3 & M5 are bad-ass cars.

In a perfect world my next car 5-7 years down the line will be a 135i coupe. Not outrageously priced either.

Hugh_Janus
01-03-2012, 07:35 PM
no, M-sport is a like trim pack with suspension tweaks, body kit and other bits and bobs. The M cars are totally different beasts

Acid Trip
01-03-2012, 09:05 PM
135i coupe

Excellent choice. Twin turbo = good times

Hugh_Janus
01-04-2012, 12:04 AM
I think I'd prefer the 123d