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Teh One Who Knocks
01-22-2012, 03:07 AM
By DAVID ESPO and THOMAS BEAUMONT, Associated Press


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COLUMBIA, S.C. – Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich stormed to an upset victory in the South Carolina primary Saturday night, dealing a sharp setback to former front-runner Mitt Romney and suddenly scrambling the race for the Republican presidential nomination.

In victory, Gingrich praised his Republican rivals and attacked President Barack Obama and "elites in New York and Washington."

Obama is "the most effective food stamp president in history," he said. "I would like to be the best paycheck president in American history." Those declarations and his attack on the "elite news media" reprised two of his more memorable lines from a pair of debates that helped fuel his victory.

Exit polls showed he led among voters who said their top priority was picking a candidate who could beat Obama — a group that had preferred Romney in earlier contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Romney, the national front-runner until now, was unbowed. He vowed to contest for every vote "in every state" and unleashed a double-barreled attack on Obama and Gingrich.

Referring to Gingrich's criticism of his business experience, Romney said, "When my opponents attack success and free enterprise, they're not only attacking me, they're attacking every person who dreams of a better future. He's attacking you," he told supporters, the closest he came to mentioning the primary winner's name.

Returns from 89 percent of the state's precincts showed Gingrich with 40 percent of the vote to 27 percent for Romney. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was winning 17 percent, Texas Rep. Ron Paul 13 percent.

As the first Southern primary, South Carolina has been a proving ground for Republican presidential hopefuls in recent years. Since Ronald Reagan in 1980, every Republican contender who won the primary has gone on to capture the party's nomination.

Based on the vote total, Gingrich won at least 15 of the 25 Republican National Convention delegates at stake and none of the other contenders was yet assured of any.

But political momentum was the real prize with the race to pick an opponent to Obama still in its early stages.

Already, Romney and a group that supports him were on the air in Florida with a significant television ad campaign, more than $7 million combined to date.

Aides to the former Massachusetts governor had once dared hope that Florida would seal his nomination — if South Carolina didn't first — but that strategy appeared to vanish along with the once-formidable lead he held in pre-primary polls.

Romney swept into South Carolina 11 days ago as the favorite after being pronounced the winner of the lead-off Iowa caucuses, then cruising to victory in New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary.

But in the sometimes-surreal week that followed, he was stripped of his Iowa triumph — GOP officials there now say Santorum narrowly won — while former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman dropped out and endorsed Romney and Texas Gov. Rick Perry quit and backed Gingrich.

Romney responded awkwardly to questions about releasing his income tax returns, and about his investments in the Cayman Islands. Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, benefited from two well-received debate performances while grappling with allegations by an ex-wife that he had once asked her for an open marriage so he could keep his mistress.

By primary eve, Romney was speculating openly about a lengthy battle for the nomination rather than the quick knockout that had seemed within his grasp only days earlier.

Exit polling showed Gingrich, the former House speaker, leading by a wide margin among the state's heavy population of conservatives, tea party supporters and born-again Christians.

In a state with 9.9 percent unemployment, about 80 percent of all voters said they were very worried about the direction of the economy. Gingrich's edge over Romney among that group tracked the overall totals closely, the former speaker winning 41 percent and the runner-up 27.

The exit poll was conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks by Edison Research as voters left polls at 35 randomly selected sites. The survey involved interviews with 2,381 voters and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Santorum vowed to continue, although his weak third place finish could well portend financial difficulty for a campaign that has never been flush with cash. It's a wide-open race. Join the fight" he urged supporters at a rally in Charleston.

Paul had his worst finish of the year, and isn't expected to make a strong effort in Florida. Even so, he said to supporters, "Keep fighting." He has said he intends to focus his efforts on caucus contests in Nevada on Feb. 4 and Missouri several days later.

Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, pinned his South Carolina hopes on a heavy turnout in parts of the state with large concentrations of social conservatives, the voters who carried him to his surprisingly strong showing in Iowa.

Paul had a modest campaign presence here after finishing third in Iowa and second in New Hampshire. His call to withdraw U.S. troops from around the world was a tough sell in a state dotted with military installations and home to many veterans.

Romney's stumbles began even before his New Hampshire primary victory, when he told one audience that he had worried earlier in his career about the possibility of being laid off.

He gave a somewhat rambling, noncommittal response in a debate in Myrtle Beach last Monday when asked if he would release his tax returns before the primary. The following day, he told reporters that because most of his earnings come from investments, he paid about 15 percent of his income in taxes, roughly half the rate paid by millions of middle-class wage-earners. A day later, aides confirmed that some of his millions are invested in the Cayman Islands, although they said he did not use the offshore accounts as a tax haven.

Asked again at a debate in North Charleston on Thursday about releasing his taxes, his answer was anything but succinct and the audience appeared to boo.

Gingrich benefited from a shift in strategy that recalled his approach when he briefly soared to the top of the polls in Iowa. At mid-week he began airing a television commercial that dropped all references to Romney and his other rivals, and contended that he was the only Republican who could defeat Obama.

It featured several seconds from the first debate in which the audience cheered as he accused Obama of having put more Americans on food stamps than any other president.

Nor did Gingrich flinch when ex-wife Marianne said in an interview on ABC that he had been unfaithful for years before their divorce in 1999, and asked him for an open marriage.

Asked about the accusation in the opening moments of the second debate of the week, he unleashed an attack on ABC and debate host CNN and accused the "liberal news media" of trying to help Obama by attacking Republicans. His ex-wife's account, he said, was untrue.

RBP
01-22-2012, 03:29 AM
Better than Mitt imho.

deebakes
01-22-2012, 03:54 AM
http://i.imgur.com/WOaxM.jpg

Loser
01-22-2012, 04:21 AM
Nah, gingrich is much much worse than mitt. Mitt may be a flip flopper and general asshat, but newt can be bought, cheaply...

RBP
01-22-2012, 06:12 AM
Nope. Mitt's going to implode.

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 06:38 AM
Nah, gingrich is much much worse than mitt. Mitt may be a flip flopper and general asshat, but newt can be bought, cheaply...

Newt does make himself available for a paycheck. I was reading a laundry list of his 'cash deals' last month and it was amazing. But, I don't think the people who would consider voting for him will care.

RBP
01-22-2012, 06:47 AM
Newt does make himself available for a paycheck. I was reading a laundry list of his 'cash deals' last month and it was amazing. But, I don't think the people who would consider voting for him will care.

Do you consider Obama a shoe in?

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 06:51 AM
Do you consider Obama a shoe in?

No, why, do you?

Or, did you mean for the dem nomination? Because obviously he's already shoe'd in for that.

RBP
01-22-2012, 06:55 AM
No, why, do you?

Or, did you mean for the dem nomination? Because obviously he's already shoe'd in for that.

yes I get that part. I saw a discussion that said Obama can't lose and it made me think that you can't reproduce last cycle. He's vulnerable.

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 07:07 AM
yes I get that part. I saw a discussion that said Obama can't lose and it made me think that you can't reproduce last cycle. He's vulnerable.

He is vulnerable, and I promise you that both he and all the dems know it as well. In fact, there has been an undercurrent of that for some time now in official party messages, as well as messages from major liberal groups.

There is one huge factor at play here, the convergence of social events...you see, with the growing unrest towards the 1%, the power players in the rich boys at the top are worried that if they don't control the white house after the election, they may well suffer for it. So, I expect this election cycle will see unprecedented super-pac type spending as the billionaires do whatever it takes to put their men into office. Those lies and smear ads work, and again, I expect more than we've ever seen along that line. So it concerns me.

I'm not an Obama fan, as I've said a large number of times and I'm sure you've noticed. But he definitely, and by far, qualifies as the lesser evil here. I worry about the horrible consequences of any of these currently running republicans making it in.

RBP
01-22-2012, 07:17 AM
He is vulnerable, and I promise you that both he and all the dems know it as well. In fact, there has been an undercurrent of that for some time now in official party messages, as well as messages from major liberal groups.

There is one huge factor at play here, the convergence of social events...you see, with the growing unrest towards the 1%, the power players in the rich boys at the top are worried that if they don't control the white house after the election, they may well suffer for it. So, I expect this election cycle will see unprecedented super-pac type spending as the billionaires do whatever it takes to put their men into office. Those lies and smear ads work, and again, I expect more than we've ever seen along that line. So it concerns me.

I'm not an Obama fan, as I've said a large number of times and I'm sure you've noticed. But he definitely, and by far, qualifies as the lesser evil here. I worry about the horrible consequences of any of these currently running republicans making it in.

This hate of yours... it's distasteful. The current governance sucks. I don't think Romney would be any better, Newt, meh... idk what the answer is, but hating the engines of commerce isn't the answer either.

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 07:53 AM
This hate of yours... it's distasteful. The current governance sucks. I don't think Romney would be any better, Newt, meh... idk what the answer is, but hating the engines of commerce isn't the answer either.

I don't hate the engines of commerce. But the current corporate culture is one that favors only those at the top, stifles legitimate competition (which should be the main benefit of capitalism) and has slowly decayed the middle class and made the poorer even more so. It is reprehensible.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-22-2012, 11:28 AM
Better than Mitt imho.

I agree


Nah, gingrich is much much worse than mitt. Mitt may be a flip flopper and general asshat, but newt can be bought, cheaply...

And the current president can't? Gee, I wonder why he has put off making a decision on the pipeline from Canada until after the election? :-k

:rolleyes:

Muddy
01-22-2012, 12:25 PM
You guys can call me crazy.. But this primary was in the bible belt... That's why Newt won.. A lot of these folks down here aren't going to vote for a Mormon..

FBD
01-22-2012, 04:43 PM
:lol: south carolina is bible belt?

Joey still doesnt get that the more regulation you have, the larger the business is, the easier it is to deal with it. =stifles competition. So who's doing the stifling? Who's getting bought?

Funny as hell that supposedly Newt can be bought and Obama cant :lol: hahaha yyyyyeah. Class warfare card anyone? How's about another stimulus bill?

Its simple - Newt won because he was articulating conservative values the best.

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 09:31 PM
You guys can call me crazy.. But this primary was in the bible belt... That's why Newt won.. A lot of these folks down here aren't going to vote for a Mormon..

That's not crazy at all.

Muddy
01-22-2012, 09:55 PM
:lol: south carolina is bible belt?




Uh.... Yes..

You're not that fuggin clueless are you?

See, you dont know everything... :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt

http://i.imgur.com/krO6l.png




Its simple - Newt won because he was articulating conservative values the best.

And you think Im on the Koolaid... :lol:

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 09:56 PM
Uh.... Yes..

You're not that fuggin clueless are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt

That's very unfair of you Muddy. I'm willing to credit him with being that clueless.

Leefro
01-22-2012, 09:59 PM
Don't you think he's a bit old ?

PorkChopSandwiches
01-22-2012, 10:06 PM
I'm just glad he supports censoring the internet
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/in-gingrich-backed-censoring-the-web-111756.html

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 10:07 PM
Don't you think he's a bit old ?

Muddy? No, he's slightly younger than I am.



As for Newt, we put the corpse of Reagan into office in 84, so no, he isn't.

Muddy
01-22-2012, 10:23 PM
How old was Reagan?

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 11:03 PM
How old was Reagan?

In his case it wasn't really the age so much as the dementia, which is not a good thing for a president to have. But he was 73 when reelected.

Truthfully...I consider age a good thing, I'm not one of these people who says 'too old'. In fact, I feel there is a wisdom that can only be gleaned from age and experience. Obviously, not everyone acquires said wisdom. But jokes aside, I would never negatively judge a person for being elderly.

Muddy
01-22-2012, 11:33 PM
What if they are an old pervert?

deebakes
01-22-2012, 11:36 PM
last time we had an old pervert in office, people seemed satisfied :-k





8-[

Muddy
01-22-2012, 11:45 PM
last time we had an old pervert in office, people seemed satisfied :-k





8-[

Clinton?

deebakes
01-22-2012, 11:47 PM
:idk:

i didn't say any names on purpose :lol:

JoeyB
01-22-2012, 11:48 PM
What if they are an old pervert?

They get to grab ass and the secret service covers it up.


Clinton?

Clinton wasn't old.

Muddy
01-22-2012, 11:51 PM
Im sorry if I ruined everyones fun... :(

deebakes
01-22-2012, 11:53 PM
not mine :tup:

Muddy
01-22-2012, 11:54 PM
Dee, I want you to set one mouse free for me tomorrow in my honor..

deebakes
01-23-2012, 12:01 AM
done :tup:



















the traps on the floor will get him if the gas doesn't :oops:

Muddy
01-23-2012, 12:11 AM
No Homie.. Set him loose behind your house... In one of those Ohio corn fields... :dance:

JoeyB
01-23-2012, 12:22 AM
No Homie.. Set him loose behind your house... In one of those Ohio corn fields... :dance:

Make it two set free!

Southern Belle
01-23-2012, 12:23 AM
I voted for Newt because I think he has a chance of beating Obama and don't think Mitt could. And not voting for Mitt didn't have a damn thing to do with his being a Mormon. In fact, I've not heard a single comment here in SC among people I know (who are very conservative) about Mitt being a Mormon. Nobody really cares. All we want is Obama out.

JoeyB
01-23-2012, 12:28 AM
All we want is Obama out.

Regardless of who he is and what he stands for? Shouldn't those qualities matter most in your candidate?

Southern Belle
01-23-2012, 12:32 AM
Who he is and what he stands for? He's a successful politician who can get Obama out of office. I think he's more qualified to be president than any of the other Republican candidates besides Ron Paul. I'd love for Ron Paul to be president but he'll never make it because people have forgotten that the Constitution is the basis of our government and Ron Paul is the only true constitutionalist out there.

Leefro
01-23-2012, 12:43 AM
I'm just glad he supports censoring the internet
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/in-gingrich-backed-censoring-the-web-111756.html

That should be in all voters mind ;)

deebakes
01-23-2012, 12:57 AM
Make it two set free!

maybe i should just drop one in blue paint for you and see what happens :shrug:

JoeyB
01-23-2012, 07:31 AM
maybe i should just drop one in blue paint for you and see what happens :shrug:

Don't dude.