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Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 01:17 PM
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press


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WASHINGTON – Republican Rick Santorum is looking to capitalize on a string of stunning victories that snapped his four-state losing streak and raised new questions about front-runner Mitt Romney's clout with conservatives.

Romney shrugged off his poor showing, but his losses Tuesday in Missouri, Minnesota and Colorado laid bare his stubborn weakness just when it looked as if his party was beginning to embrace him. Bringing up the rear of the Santorum surge: Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker who mostly skipped the contests and finished at or near the back of the pack in all three states.

Santorum cast the results as a victory for a purer form of conservatism than Romney has offered, heard more clearly by voters across the nation's midsection without a deafening TV air war that the former Massachusetts governor has dominated.

The former Pennsylvania senator said in a nationally broadcast interview Wednesday morning he thinks conservative Republicans "are beginning to get" that he represents the party's best chance to oust President Barack Obama.

He also used the opportunity to rip into Romney, mocking his criticism of Santorum's time in Washington in the U.S. Senate and Romney's attempt to be seen as the political outsider in 2012.

Santorum scoffed at Romney's criticism of his defeat for re-election to the Senate, saying, "A lot of folks lose races, but I didn't lose, like Gov. Romney, my principles. I wasn't a well-oiled weather vane."

He said he wants to make Obama "the issue in this race," not Romney and Gingrich.

"The American people are looking for someone that has a positive, uplifting view of the country," Santorum said.

"Mitt Romney is saying I'm not a conservative," he said. "I mean, that's laughable."

In the glow of victory Tuesday night, he told his supporters "we had an opportunity to see what a campaign looks like when one candidate isn't outspent 5- or 10-to-1 by negative ads impugning their integrity and distorting their record. This is a more accurate representation, frankly, of what the fall race will look like," a jubilant Santorum told a cheering crowd in St. Charles, Mo.

But it was far from clear that Santorum, who has a post office box for a campaign headquarters and relies on volunteers to handle scheduling, can quickly turn the momentum into the millions of campaign dollars he would need to overcome Romney. Still, he looked past the nomination fight.

"I don't stand here to be the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney, I stand here to be the conservative alternative to Barack Obama," Santorum said. On health care, cap and trade and the Wall Street bailout, he charged, "Mitt Romney has the same positions as Barack Obama."

In Denver, Romney congratulated his rival. The revived questions about Romney's appeal with conservatives at the party's core were even sharper in light of his aggressive push to court them in recent days. Santorum's shoestring candidacy thrived. And the GOP nomination fight many in the party hoped would resolve itself after Super Tuesday now threatened to rumble past March 6 — while Obama watches from his presidential perch in the White House, and waits.

"This was a good night for Rick Santorum," Romney told supporters in Denver on Tuesday night. He offered a bit of forced optimism: "We'll keep on campaigning down the road, but I expect to become our nominee with your help."

Romney added, "When this primary season is over, we're going to stand united as a party behind our nominee to defeat Barack Obama."

He wasn't the only loser.

On the first day of multi-state voting, the trio of contests exposed a glaring deficiency for Gingrich.

The former House speaker lacked the resources and organization to compete just as he's trying to project strength heading into the Super Tuesday elections. He made only minimal efforts in the three states that voted and stayed out of sight as the results rolled in. Gingrich is focusing on Ohio, where early voting has begun in the March 6 primary.

Texas congressman Ron Paul, meanwhile, reveled in his second-place win in Minnesota and vowed to keep collecting delegates to take to the GOP's national convention this summer.

To be fair, Tuesday's contests will have little bearing on the race for delegates. Missouri's nonbinding primary in particular was little more than an extensive warm-up routine. The state will hold an official caucus in March.

But even symbolic victories can produce or slow down momentum.

Romney's camp began downplaying the results hours before the voting began. Rich Beeson, his political director, released a memo earlier in the day noting that even Sen. John McCain lost 19 states on the way to capturing the GOP presidential nomination in 2008. And Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, the director of Romney's congressional endorsements, released a statement as the votes began showing his candidate had lost in Blunt's home state.

"I congratulate my friend Rick Santorum on his win tonight," Blunt said. "But the fact remains that this is a nonbinding primary, meaning Missouri's delegates are still very much up for grabs."

Following Maine's low-profile caucuses, which conclude Saturday, the candidates will have an extended lull. Beeson recently noted that momentum would be vital heading into the 17-day period without an election, something he likened to a grand canyon with no precedent in modern presidential politics.

"If you don't have momentum and resources coming into it, it's going to be hard to have momentum and resources coming out of it," Beeson said.

That was a week before he realized his boss would suddenly see his momentum disappear.

Santorum was interviewed Wednesday morning on CNN, Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" and MSNBC.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 01:17 PM
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Arkady Renko
02-08-2012, 01:41 PM
doesn't mean a lot in the grander scheme of things, does it? So he won three small-to-midsize states with a strong evangelical wing among registered republicans, but how many delegates does that actually give him?

Muddy
02-08-2012, 01:54 PM
I think he was predicted early to win in those areas anyway.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 01:56 PM
Not here in Colorado he wasn't

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 01:57 PM
doesn't mean a lot in the grander scheme of things, does it? So he won three small-to-midsize states with a strong evangelical wing among registered republicans, but how many delegates does that actually give him?

It's not a lot, and the caucuses here and the primary in Missouri were non-binding, so I don't believe he got any delegates in either of those 2 events.

Muddy
02-08-2012, 02:00 PM
Not here in Colorado he wasn't

I thought I heard Romney say a few days ago he expected Santorum to take the next primary or 2.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 02:04 PM
I thought I heard Romney say a few days ago he expected Santorum to take the next primary or 2.

Romney won huge here back in '08 and was predicted to win this year. Colorado isn't really an 'evangelical' hotbed, except for that idiot down in Colorado Springs and his Focus on the Family crap. It surprised the hell outta me when I saw the news this morning.

Might have to do with the fact that it was a caucus and not a primary.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 02:22 PM
Here's the Colorado results:

Rick Santorum: 26,372 - 40.24%
Mitt Romney: 22,875 – 34.9%
Newt Gingrich: 8,394 – 12.81%
Ron Paul: 7,713 – 11.77%
Write In: 57 - .09%
Rick Perry: 52 - .08%
Jon Huntsman: 46 - .07%
Michele Bachmann: 27 - .04%

PorkChopSandwiches
02-08-2012, 03:19 PM
did you vote?

RBP
02-08-2012, 03:20 PM
:ronpaul:

PorkChopSandwiches
02-08-2012, 03:31 PM
he should have, voting for Mitt is a wasted vote :dance: :ronpaul:

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 03:35 PM
did you vote?

No, it was a caucus here, not a primary

Acid Trip
02-08-2012, 03:39 PM
Santorum hates Libertarians (like myself and Ron Paul). I could never vote for him based on the following excerpt from one of his speeches:

In an NPR interview in the summer of 2005, Santorum discussed what he called the "libertarianish right," saying "they have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can't go it alone..."

Acid Trip
02-08-2012, 03:43 PM
If you enjoy sex or privacy at all then this quote will really piss you off.

Santorum has stated that he does not believe a "right to privacy" is part of the Constitution; he has been critical of the Supreme Court decision in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), which held that the Constitution guaranteed that right, and overturned a law prohibiting the sale and use of contraceptives to married couples. He has described contraception as "a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be,"

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 03:52 PM
If Santorum were to win the republican nomination, it would be a Reagan-esque landslide for Obama

PorkChopSandwiches
02-08-2012, 03:54 PM
He is a fuckin idiot, this win was a surprise to me. I was certain he was the next one to exit the race

Muddy
02-08-2012, 04:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3wwrw.jpg

Acid Trip
02-08-2012, 04:17 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3wwrw.jpg

:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 04:17 PM
He is a fuckin idiot, this win was a surprise to me. I was certain he was the next one to exit the race

Same here

JoeyB
02-08-2012, 10:50 PM
doesn't mean a lot in the grander scheme of things, does it? So he won three small-to-midsize states with a strong evangelical wing among registered republicans, but how many delegates does that actually give him?

As Missouri goes...so goes the nation. We've picked the winner in more elections than anyone else.


If Santorum were to win the republican nomination, it would be a Reagan-esque landslide for Obama

I doubt it...though, all of the major republicans in this race have massive flaws. But be honest, regardless of who is on the ticket (president/vice president combo) every republican will vote for them simply because they aren't Obama/Biden. It really doesn't even matter who it is, the votes are sealed up already.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-08-2012, 10:58 PM
Santorum hates Libertarians (like myself and Ron Paul). I could never vote for him based on the following excerpt from one of his speeches:

In an NPR interview in the summer of 2005, Santorum discussed what he called the "libertarianish right," saying "they have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can't go it alone..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU

perrhaps
02-09-2012, 02:53 PM
As Missouri goes...so goes the nation. We've picked the winner in more elections than anyone else.



I doubt it...though, all of the major republicans in this race have massive flaws. But be honest, regardless of who is on the ticket (president/vice president combo) every republican will vote for them simply because they aren't Obama/Biden. It really doesn't even matter who it is, the votes are sealed up already.

Before you read any further, Joey (and others), look around the room you're in and pick any one of the inanimate objects you see.

As a Pennsylvanian, I can assure you that Santorum will be crushed by Obama. Why? Because six years ago, Santorum lost by double-digits when he ran for reelection to the US Senate. His opponent was Bob Casey, who has less than one-half the personality of the inanimate object you chose.

Remeber, PA elected a very conservative GOP Senator (Toomey) two years ago, so it's not as if we've become a liberal electorate here.

Santorum can't even carry his own state. he has NO chance of beating Obama.

Acid Trip
02-09-2012, 03:12 PM
Before you read any further, Joey (and others), look around the room you're in and pick any one of the inanimate objects you see.

As a Pennsylvanian, I can assure you that Santorum will be crushed by Obama. Why? Because six years ago, Santorum lost by double-digits when he ran for reelection to the US Senate. His opponent was Bob Casey, who has less than one-half the personality of the inanimate object you chose.

Remeber, PA elected a very conservative GOP Senator (Toomey) two years ago, so it's not as if we've become a liberal electorate here.

Santorum can't even carry his own state. he has NO chance of beating Obama.

:lmao:

JoeyB
02-09-2012, 09:45 PM
Before you read any further, Joey (and others), look around the room you're in and pick any one of the inanimate objects you see.

As a Pennsylvanian, I can assure you that Santorum will be crushed by Obama. Why? Because six years ago, Santorum lost by double-digits when he ran for reelection to the US Senate. His opponent was Bob Casey, who has less than one-half the personality of the inanimate object you chose.

Remeber, PA elected a very conservative GOP Senator (Toomey) two years ago, so it's not as if we've become a liberal electorate here.

Santorum can't even carry his own state. he has NO chance of beating Obama.

I picked a speaker.

Normally I'd agree with you because Santorum is a massive douchebag. But the sentiment is strong and I firmly believe it is irrelevant who lands the republican ticket. Republicans will back him for simply not being Obama. It happened last time, trust me, 'not being Bush' was one of Obama's best assets; and though Obama wasn't running against Bush, obviously, it was a sentiment that vastly benefited him nonetheless.

I still think he'd lose mind you, but not by a landslide.

Most of all I love that even after all this time, spreadingsantorum.com/ still lands near the top of any Santorum google search.

perrhaps
02-09-2012, 10:00 PM
I picked a speaker.

Normally I'd agree with you because Santorum is a massive douchebag. But the sentiment is strong and I firmly believe it is irrelevant who lands the republican ticket. Republicans will back him for simply not being Obama. It happened last time, trust me, 'not being Bush' was one of Obama's best assets; and though Obama wasn't running against Bush, obviously, it was a sentiment that vastly benefited him nonetheless.

I still think he'd lose mind you, but not by a landslide.

Most of all I love that even after all this time, spreadingsantorum.com/ still lands near the top of any Santorum google search.

Well, here's one Republican who'd sit out that dance. I know lots of others here in PA who feel the same way.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-09-2012, 11:05 PM
Well, here's one Republican who'd sit out that dance. I know lots of others here in PA who feel the same way.

I would just have to write in :ronpaul: If he was the choice

JoeyB
02-09-2012, 11:08 PM
I would just have to write in :ronpaul: If he was the choice

Oh? You support Ron Paul? If only there had been a sign.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-09-2012, 11:09 PM
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Teh One Who Knocks
02-09-2012, 11:13 PM
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Muddy
02-10-2012, 12:14 AM
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Hmmm.. Dows up, unemployment's down.. Wasn't like that when the GOP was in there..