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Teh One Who Knocks
02-10-2012, 01:27 PM
The Associated Press


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WASHINGTON – Scientists say NASA is about to propose major cuts in its exploration of other planets, especially Mars. And NASA's former science chief is calling it irrational.

With limited money for science and an over-budget new space telescope, the space agency essentially had to make a choice in where it wanted to explore: the neighboring planet or the far-off cosmos.

Mars lost.

Two scientists who were briefed on the 2013 NASA budget that will be released next week said the space agency is eliminating two proposed joint missions with Europeans to explore Mars in 2016 and 2018. NASA had agreed to pay $1.4 billion for those missions. Some Mars missions will continue, but the fate of future flights is unclear, including the much-sought flight to return rocks from the red planet.

The two scientists, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the budget, said the cuts to the Mars missions are part of a proposed reduction of about $300 million in NASA's $1.5 billion planetary science budget. More than $200 million in those cuts are in the Mars program, they said. The current Mars budget is $581.7 million.

"To me, it's totally irrational and unjustified," said Edward Weiler, who until September was NASA's associate administrator for science. "We are the only country on this planet that has the demonstrated ability to land on another planet, namely Mars. It is a national prestige issue."

Weiler said he quit last year because he was tired of fighting to save Mars from the budget knife. He said he fought successfully to keep major cuts from Mars in the current budget but has no firsthand knowledge of the 2013 budget proposal.

Mars "has got public appeal, it's got scientific blessings from the National Academy," Weiler said in a phone interview from Florida. "Why would you go after it? And it fulfills the president's space policy to encourage more foreign collaboration."

Two years ago, President Obama said his ultimate goal was to send astronauts to Mars.

NASA spokesman David Weaver said that, just like the rest of the federal government, the space agency has to make "tough choices ... and live within our means."

To do so, Weaver said in an email, "NASA is reassessing its current Mars exploration initiatives to maximize what can be achieved."

Weaver said the United States is the only country to land on Mars and has a car-sized rover on its way to the planet.

One of the big problems for NASA's science budget is the replacement for the wildly successful Hubble Space Telescope. The James Webb Space Telescope, which would be about 100 times more powerful and would gaze farther into the universe than ever before, is now supposed to cost around $8 billion. It was originally estimated to cost $3.5 billion.

The other big part of NASA science spending — Earth sciences — is not being cut, the two scientists said.

Godfather
02-10-2012, 04:31 PM
How many of these planets in the Goldilocks Zone have they found now?! At least a few less than 10 light years away? I used to think Mars was a must, but now that it looks like there are a bunch of planets we should have a closer look at, we need to get satellites out there soon. What does a manned mission to mars really do for us compared to the growing prospect of finding life?

Time to spend a SHIT load of money on propulsion.

Acid Trip
02-10-2012, 06:37 PM
How many of these planets in the Goldilocks Zone have they found now?! At least a few less than 10 light years away? I used to think Mars was a must, but now that it looks like there are a bunch of planets we should have a closer look at, we need to get satellites out there soon. What does a manned mission to mars really do for us compared to the growing prospect of finding life?

Time to spend a SHIT load of money on propulsion.

The Discovery channel did a special on space propulsion systems. I wish I could remember the name because it went over things like solar sails, using nuclear explosions as a propulsion system, creating a mini black hole in front of the ship which would pull the spaceship forward and a few others.

Solar sails sounded feasible but the time/money investment for the rest of them (which achieved higher speeds) was insane. It'd be easier/cheaper to start Terra-forming Mars for future use.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-10-2012, 06:42 PM
The Discovery channel did a special on space propulsion systems. I wish I could remember the name because it went over things like solar sails, using nuclear explosions as a propulsion system, creating a mini black hole in front of the ship which would pull the spaceship forward and a few others.

Solar sails sounded feasible but the time/money investment for the rest of them (which achieved higher speeds) was insane. It'd be easier/cheaper to start Terra-forming Mars for future use.



Physics Of The Impossible w/ Dr. Michio Kaku?

http://science.discovery.com/videos/sci-fi-science-videos/

Muddy
02-10-2012, 06:50 PM
Physics Of The Impossible w/ Dr. Michio Kaku?

http://science.discovery.com/videos/sci-fi-science-videos/

Is that guy a real scientist? He throws some straight up crazy never gonna happen shit out there sometimes. I dont watch him..

PorkChopSandwiches
02-10-2012, 06:56 PM
Is that guy a real scientist? He throws some straight up crazy never gonna happen shit out there sometimes. I dont watch him..

Yeah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

He talks a lot about "in theory" Where you could accomplish these ideas they speak of, with the right technology or power. But we don't currently have the technology or power to be able to do it. He's interesting, I like how he can boil things down to terms a non-physicist can understand.

Acid Trip
02-10-2012, 06:59 PM
Physics Of The Impossible w/ Dr. Michio Kaku?

http://science.discovery.com/videos/sci-fi-science-videos/

That's the one! Thanks.

Muddy
02-10-2012, 08:03 PM
Yeah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

He talks a lot about "in theory" Where you could accomplish these ideas they speak of, with the right technology or power. But we don't currently have the technology or power to be able to do it. He's interesting, I like how he can boil things down to terms a non-physicist can understand.

Well shit, with the right technology and power you can do just about anything.! :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
02-10-2012, 08:04 PM
Well shit, with the right technology and power you can do just about anything.! :lol:

Well someone needs to figure out how to do it, so they know what needs to be developed ;)

Muddy
02-10-2012, 08:08 PM
I'm just not interested in his dreams.. I have my own.. :lol:

Good point though..

Hal-9000
02-10-2012, 09:45 PM
"It is a national prestige issue..."

NO, it's an issue of spending billions when your country is suffering a recession.Correct a few problems on Earth, then think about exploring Mars ffs....

really....what do we get in return for a trip to Mars? Intricate knowledge of why the soil is red?



Hard cost vs returns is idiotic when talking about space travel

Pony
02-10-2012, 10:15 PM
Intricate knowledge of why the soil is red?



High iron content.

Check please?

Hal-9000
02-10-2012, 10:23 PM
High iron content.

Check please?

Could you spend a couple of billion first, maybe send a remote go kart up there and get it stuck against a rock?

I'd feel much better with your results

KevinD
02-11-2012, 01:17 AM
Space exploration is NOT a waste of time nor money imho. At some point we ARE gonna have to leave this rock. To me it makes sense to study Mars and the Moon more, could be a valuable resource source, lol If nothing else, the moon would make a great place to park all the radioactive waste from nuke plants.

Muddy
02-11-2012, 02:07 AM
We wouldn't have to leave if you Republicans would stop poisoning the place and thinking gods gonna sort it all out in the end.. :)

KevinD
02-11-2012, 02:16 AM
We wouldn't have to leave if you Republicans would stop poisoning the place and thinking gods gonna sort it all out in the end.. :)

Once again I'm not a republican. And perhaps you should check and see just who's in charge of the worlds' dirtiest areas before making that accusation. lol

Muddy
02-11-2012, 02:22 AM
Im just having some fun..

KevinD
02-11-2012, 02:25 AM
Oh, I know, that was why the "lol" was at end of my posts. I try not to take anything on here too serious.