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Joebob034
02-10-2012, 03:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/us-marines-posed-nazi-symbol-afghanistan-185101573.html

US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan
Associated Press By JULIE WATSON

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SAN DIEGO (AP) — The Marine Corps on Thursday once again did damage control after a photograph surfaced of a sniper team in Afghanistan posing in front of a flag with a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS — a special unit that murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others.

The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naïve mistake.

The Marines believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts and never intended to be associated with a racist organization, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton, where the Marines were based.

"I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said. "It's not within who we are as Marines."

The Corps has used the incident as a training tool to talk to troops about what symbols are acceptable after it became aware of the photograph last November, Chapin said.

The image has since surfaced on an Internet blog, sparking widespread outrage and calls for a full investigation and punishment, including bringing those in the photograph and anyone who condoned it to court martial.

"This is a complete and total outrage," said Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, headquartered in Albuquerque, N.M.

His organization sent a letter to the head of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Amos, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Thursday, demanding punishment for those involved.

It was the second time this year the Marine Corps has had to do damage control for actions of its troops. It's also investigating a separate group of Marines recorded on video urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban fighters..

"First we have Marines peeing on dead bodies and now this," Weinstein said.

The Marines in the photograph are no longer with the unit. Chapin said she did not know if they are still in the Corps.

In the photo taken in the Afghanistan town of Sangin, the Marine Corps unit is posing with guns in front of an American flag and a large, dark blue flag with what appear to be the letters "SS" in the shape of white jagged lightning bolts.

Camp Pendleton spokesman, Master Gunnery Sgt. Mark Oliva, said he did not know where the flag came from but it was likely the property of one of the Marines in the photograph.

The photograph appeared on the blog for a military weapons company called Knight's Armament in Titusville, Fla. The company did not respond to emails or phone messages left by The Associated Press.

The SS, or Schutzstaffel, was the police and military force of the Nazi Party, which was distinct from the general army. Members pledged an oath of loyalty to Adolph Hitler.

SS units were held responsible for many war crimes and played an integral role in the extermination of millions of Jews along with gypsies and other people who were deemed undesirable. The SS was declared to be a criminal organization at the Nuremberg war crime trials.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, said he does not buy the explanation that posing with the flag was an innocent mistake and insisted the American public has a right to know what happened.

"If you look at any book on the Nazi period, this is the dreaded symbol of the SS, and to have a Marine Corps unit adopt it and put it beside the American flag when 200,000 Americans died to free the world of that dreaded symbol is just beyond the pale," he said.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-10-2012, 03:53 PM
I thought it was for Super Sport

Arkady Renko
02-10-2012, 04:01 PM
They did a lousy job on the "ZZTop" logo there.

Joebob034
02-10-2012, 04:09 PM
I thought it was for Super Sport

no it's for Sexy Squad

Teh One Who Knocks
02-10-2012, 04:13 PM
They did a lousy job on the "ZZTop" logo there.

:lol:

Godfather
02-10-2012, 04:22 PM
Joey is going to be pissed




I have a man crush on that entire squad :lol:

JoeyB
02-10-2012, 11:56 PM
a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS — a special unit that murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others.

The Marines believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts and never intended to be associated with a racist organization, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton, where the Marines were based.

Camp Pendleton spokesman, Master Gunnery Sgt. Mark Oliva, said he did not know where the flag came from but it was likely the property of one of the Marines in the photograph.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, said he does not buy the explanation that posing with the flag was an innocent mistake and insisted the American public has a right to know what happened.




Joey is going to be pissed




I have a man crush on that entire squad :lol:

I'm not pissed actually...pissing on corpses was an act of hate that (sadly, as I predicted) did lead to people being killed. However, this case is not so clear cut and it's important to answer the questions above before you go forward.

First, I am utterly impressed the writer of this story included the phrase "murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others" because usually, the Nazi regime is connected solely to Jewish deaths, overlooking the millions of others they annihilated. It's a historical slight I have commented on before (here or at AS)...but it's wrong. To avoid a massive branch debate I will not post my theory as to why that situation has come to pass.

Second, I wonder WHY they had this flag and where it came from. Somebody does have something to answer for in that regards.

Third, I sort of feel that guy (the flag owner) and possibly others in this photo are punking us by claiming innocence here, and I also wonder how many of these trained troops, who should know their own damn symbology, could have honestly made the mistake of not knowing this wasn't a sniper symbol. However! It is important to remember that mistakes like that could happen. Hell, the military has lowered it's IQ standards, add to that the reality that people make dumb errors...and yes, it's possible some of them knew nothing. But clearly, owing to the nature of the flag and the circumstances involved at least some of them were acutely aware of what that flag represents.

So this situation requires close but careful scrutiny. It's not anywhere near the order of the crime committed by the urinating marines though. I don't think this photo will lead to anyone being killed.

Muddy
02-11-2012, 02:08 AM
Smooth! Lol

deebakes
02-11-2012, 02:50 AM
:sad2:

KevinD
02-11-2012, 04:42 AM
Eh, much ado about nothing. When I was active duty, our unit flag consisted of a heraldic shield with "SS" on it. In my case, the SS was for Security Specialist. I have it on my tattoo. Bunch of PC BS if you ask me.

deebakes
02-11-2012, 05:10 AM
kd the nazi :sad2:


















j/k of course :lol:

KevinD
02-11-2012, 06:47 AM
K " kill a commie for mommie" d was my slogan back then..cold war era don'cha know. lol

deebakes
02-11-2012, 06:16 PM
still is fitting though, right? :lol: