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Shady
03-01-2012, 07:56 PM
Read in to this what you will but it does provide an interesting scientific view.

People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
Natalie Wolchover, Life's Little Mysteries Staff Writer
Date: 28 February 2012 Time: 01:49 PM ET

The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.

The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.

As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries.

He and colleague Justin Kruger, formerly of Cornell and now of New York University, have demonstrated again and again that people are self-delusional when it comes to their own intellectual skills. Whether the researchers are testing people's ability to rate the funniness of jokes, the correctness of grammar, or even their own performance in a game of chess, the duo has found that people always assess their own performance as "above average" — even people who, when tested, actually perform at the very bottom of the pile.

We're just as undiscerning about the skills of others as about ourselves. "To the extent that you are incompetent, you are a worse judge of incompetence in other people," Dunning said. In one study, the researchers asked students to grade quizzes that tested for grammar skill. "We found that students who had done worse on the test itself gave more inaccurate grades to other students." Essentially, they didn't recognize the correct answer even when they saw it.

The reason for this disconnect is simple: "If you have gaps in your knowledge in a given area, then you’re not in a position to assess your own gaps or the gaps of others," Dunning said. Strangely though, in these experiments, people tend to readily and accurately agree on who the worst performers are, while failing to recognize the best performers.

The most incompetent among us serve as canaries in the coal mine signifying a larger quandary in the concept of democracy; truly ignorant people may be the worst judges of candidates and ideas, Dunning said, but we all suffer from a degree of blindness stemming from our own personal lack of expertise.

Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, recently implemented Dunning and Kruger's theories by computer-simulating a democratic election. In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters' own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.

Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."

http://www.livescience.com/18706-people-smart-democracy.html

PorkChopSandwiches
03-01-2012, 07:57 PM
no shit :vuvu:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-01-2012, 08:01 PM
I've been saying this for years, most people are completely ignorant when it comes to politics. I think you should have to pass a test before you are handed a ballot...simple questions that anyone who wants to vote should know.

Who is the Vice President?
Name one of your two state's senators.
Name just one Supreme Court justice.
Who is your congressional representative for your district.

If you can't answer questions like that, you have no business voting.

Muddy
03-01-2012, 08:46 PM
Who is the Vice President? - Joe Biden
Name one of your two state's senators. - Mark Warner and Jim Webb
Name just one Supreme Court justice. - Clarence Thomas
Who is your congressional representative for your district. - Eric Cantor

No search engine help, I promise..

FBD
03-01-2012, 09:29 PM
It certainly doesnt help having the fox guarding the hen house with how the media acts with this crap - at least long ago "journalists" were most interested in the objective truth - by and large the media has simply been doing "the people" a disservice for a great many years.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-01-2012, 10:05 PM
Who is the Vice President? - Joe Biden
Name one of your two state's senators. - Mark Warner and Jim Webb
Name just one Supreme Court justice. - Clarence Thomas
Who is your congressional representative for your district. - Eric Cantor

No search engine help, I promise..

I'm pretty confident that most people here at the forum could easily answer those 4 questions, I was more talking about the general public, especially those on the government dole ;)

Richard Cranium
03-01-2012, 10:14 PM
I wish people were smart enough to know that we have a Constitutional Republic not a democracy.

Big difference.

Acid Trip
03-01-2012, 10:17 PM
I wish people were smart enough to know that we have a Constitutional Republic not a democracy.

Big difference.

Someone paid attention in government class.

Iffy
03-01-2012, 10:19 PM
I agree with the article overall but offer this defense; Who the hell has time to research everything our government does which would allow for informed decisions

A voting license would be an interesting concept. You have to have a license to drive. My driving impacts less lives than my voting

While we're at it a license to breed would be nice too :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-01-2012, 10:26 PM
I wish people were smart enough to know that we have a Constitutional Republic not a democracy.

Big difference.

The article is about the democratic process, not the designation of the structure of government of the United States, big difference ;)


I agree with the article overall but offer this defense; Who the hell has time to research everything our government does which would allow for informed decisions

When there was an election for the city council here last time, before I cast my ballot, I sat and watched a 30 minute show on the local access government channel that had a round table with all three candidates vying for the open seat.


While we're at it a license to breed would be nice too :thumbsup:

That goes without saying ;)

Hal-9000
03-01-2012, 11:22 PM
Who is the Vice President? Spiro Agnew
Name one of your two state's senators. We have TWO??
Name just one Supreme Court justice. I know Diana Ross, but no Supremes
Who is your congressional representative for your district. That Obama dude?


I guess I can't vote :sad2: dammit

Godfather
03-02-2012, 03:55 AM
Not surprising science, most of us here can see that. Interesting someone had the balls to publish this :lol: Let's return to some form of Republic.

As was already mentioned, I think a study would have the same results with respect to reproduction too :wha:

Shady
03-02-2012, 05:13 AM
Not surprising science, most of us here can see that. Interesting someone had the balls to publish this :lol: Let's return to some form of Republic.

As was already mentioned, I think a study would have the same results with respect to reproduction too :wha:

A Galactic Republic?

And someone already did a study on reproduction and published it, its called Idiocracy. :thumbsup:

FBD
03-02-2012, 12:09 PM
When there was an election for the city council here last time, before I cast my ballot, I sat and watched a 30 minute show on the local access government channel that had a round table with all three candidates vying for the open seat.

:thumbsup: our candidates dont bother around here. at the local level the line between r & d is so blurred, all you really have to do is go look at the lawns of union members to figure out who not to vote for. they're practically required to put lawn signs up.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-02-2012, 12:27 PM
:thumbsup: our candidates dont bother around here. at the local level the line between r & d is so blurred, all you really have to do is go look at the lawns of union members to figure out who not to vote for. they're practically required to put lawn signs up.

I look at it this way, if I can't take 30 minutes to an hour out of my day once every year/2 years/4 years, whatever the election cycle happens to be, to familiarize myself with what's going on before I vote, then I have no business voting at all.