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Teh One Who Knocks
05-10-2012, 01:45 PM
By Eric Pfeiffer | The Sideshow


In a controversial decision that is already sparking debate around the country, the New York Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday that viewing child pornography online is not a crime.

"The purposeful viewing of child pornography on the internet is now legal in New York," Senior Judge Carmen Beauchamp Ciparick wrote in a majority decision for the court.

The decision came after Marist College professor James D. Kent was sentenced to prison in August 2009 after more than 100 images of child pornography were found on his computer's cache.

Whenever someone views an image online, a copy of the image's data is saved in the computer's memory cache.

The ruling attempts to distinguish between individuals who see an image of child pornography online versus those who actively download and store such images, MSNBC reports. And in this case, it was ruled that a computer's image cache is not the same as actively choosing to download and save an image.

"Merely viewing Web images of child pornography does not, absent other proof, constitute either possession or procurement within the meaning of our Penal Law," Ciparick wrote in the decision.

See a copy of the court's full ruling on the child pornography decision (http://www.scribd.com/doc/92997011/120508-NY-ChildPorn-Ruling).

The court said it must be up to the legislature, not the courts, to determine what the appropriate response should be to those viewing images of child pornography without actually storing them. Currently, New York's legislature has no laws deeming such action criminal.

As The Atlantic Wire notes, under current New York law, "it is illegal to create, possess, distribute, promote or facilitate child pornography." But that leaves out one critical distinction, as Judge Ciparick stated in the court's decision.

"[S]ome affirmative act is required (printing, saving, downloading, etc.) to show that defendant in fact exercised dominion and control over the images that were on his screen," Ciparick wrote. "To hold otherwise, would extend the reach of (state law) to conduct—viewing—that our Legislature has not deemed criminal."

The case originated when Kent brought his computer in to be checked for viruses, complaining that it was running slowly. He has subsequently denied downloading the images himself.

Hal-9000
05-10-2012, 02:01 PM
that last sentence is a horrible horrible thing...

so the guy can have all the pedo porn he wants on his machine and the courts can't prove he saved it there himself....

If there's one area I wish the powers-that-be would would patrol, it's kiddie porn and imagery of people getting hurt or abused against their will

Nemowork Pt2
05-10-2012, 02:47 PM
Depends on the local law, under British statutes viewing it isnt illegal but downloading, paying for it and storing it is, basically i think its the defence that you can wander into places on the internet you didnt want to go and you shouldnt be penalised for stupidity.

Roughly speaking its like some guy offering to sell you drugs, you havent commited a crime until you offer to buy them or hand over the cash. Different laws work for different countries i guess?

On the other hand this guy obviously had illegal material downloaded onto his machine, he'd be toast right there and then!

PorkChopSandwiches
05-10-2012, 02:52 PM
It seems like a fair decision (overall), if you are out looking for porn online sometimes shit pops up and then is in your cache.

Not to say this guy wasnt guilty ;)

Acid Trip
05-10-2012, 03:10 PM
Ignorance is now an excuse for everything.

KevinD
05-10-2012, 04:44 PM
It seems like a fair decision (overall), if you are out looking for porn online sometimes shit pops up and then is in your cache.

Not to say this guy wasnt guilty ;)

My thought's exactly. From what the court case said, he didn't download them. That's not saying I think he's innocent though.

Hal-9000
05-10-2012, 04:48 PM
I think they may be also talking about who has access to the machine...as in, they find kiddie porn but can't prove GUY A put it on the machine or viewed it there...even if he's the PC owner

KevinD
05-10-2012, 04:51 PM
from what I'm reading, they found no images at all on his machine, just the cache. So, morale of the story is, if you d/l KP, keep it in your computer memory cache, lol

Acid Trip
05-10-2012, 04:51 PM
I think they may be also talking about who has access to the machine...as in, they find kiddie porn but can't prove GUY A put it on the machine or viewed it there...even if he's the PC owner

Unfortunately possession is 9/10ths of the law. If the PC is yours it'll be a tough battle to win.

Hal-9000
05-10-2012, 05:15 PM
I always like how these pervs get nailed by sending their pc's into BestBuy or similar :lol:


DURRRRHHHH

Goofy
05-10-2012, 05:19 PM
It seems like a fair decision (overall), if you are out looking for porn online sometimes shit pops up and then is in your cache.


100 images of child pornography? :-s

PorkChopSandwiches
05-10-2012, 05:21 PM
100 images of child pornography? :-s

Not this guy, but stuff in your cache can happen from a rouge ad even

redred
05-10-2012, 06:19 PM
I always like how these pervs get nailed by sending their pc's into BestBuy or similar :lol:


DURRRRHHHH

who would do such a thing
http://i.imgur.com/PnuY6.jpg

:lol:

Hal-9000
05-10-2012, 06:50 PM
do like Lance does...when it's time to format and install Windows again, he buys a new hard drive :lol:

RBP
05-11-2012, 12:04 AM
Interesting decision. Viewing of isn't possession of.

KevinD
05-11-2012, 12:10 AM
Yeah. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, pro or con. Haven't made a complete decision yet. The way I understand the laws, it actually isn't illegal to view it, just to have it, sell or trade it.
either way, the guy is a pedo, no doubt, but, apparently a smart one.