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AntZ
03-23-2011, 10:37 PM
Libya: Navy running short of Tomahawk missiles


The Navy could run out of Tomahawk missiles after a fifth of the Navy stockpile has been used against Libya, sources disclosed yesterday.



By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent

8:01AM GMT 23 Mar 2011




Defence insiders say as many as 12 of the weapons have been fired from the hunter–killer submarine Triumph in the past four days.

If this is correct, the Navy will have used up to 20 per cent of its 64 Tomahawks in the opening salvos of the war, leading to fears that it is "burning through" its armoury.

The situation could become an embarrassment for the Government if the submarine were the only vessel within range of a number of targets but could not fulfil the mission.

The submarines are stealthy and can loiter offshore unseen before going to depth to fire the Tomahawks.

The Block Four variant of the missile can travel more than 850 miles, can be retargeted in flight and can loiter above a target for more than two hours.


It is understood that plans are being made either to resupply Triumph or send another Trafalgar–class submarine to the Mediterranean as a substitute.

Triumph can carry up to 25 missiles or torpedoes. It is likely to have been loaded with as many as 20 of the long–range strike weapons. However, it is now likely to have used half its armoury.

Questions have been raised about why the number of Tomahawks was not increased during last year's Strategic Defence and Security Review which highlighted the role for submarines to be used for "strike capability".

"At this rate we are using up five or ten per cent of our stock per day and soon it could become unsustainable," a defence industry source said. "What if the strikes go beyond a second week? We will simply run out of ammunition."

Several of the 64 Tomahawks are being serviced because their fuel and computers need to be regularly checked.

However, a senior Navy source said: "If we need to have a submarine on task we will have a submarine on task. You have to remember that the UK is part of wider coalition."

The Navy has also indicated that it could rely on the American fleet to provide emergency stocks of Tomahawks if they ran out. :mrgreen:

A Ministry of Defence official said the Navy would still remain "poised to deliver missiles if it needs to".

He said: "As we take out static targets the number of opportunities to use the Tomahawk will decrease."

The battle to enforce the no–fly zone over Libya is costing the taxpayer millions of pounds a day.

The cost of the four–day operation to date is £28.5million, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.

The cost of putting four Tornado GR4 bombers, three Eurofighter Typhoons plus support aircraft into action is an estimated £3,216,000 a day. The Tornado costs £33,000 an hour to operate, including fuel, capital costs and crew training and the Typhoon costs £80,000 an hour.

The Storm Shadow missiles and submarine–launched Tomahawks cost £1.1million and £800,000 each.

Defence chiefs are said to be lobbying the Prime Minister to ensure that the extra costs are paid from the Treasury's reserve budget. "This is a huge issue for us," said a senior military planner. "Who is going to pay for this?"

The Government is paying almost £5billion a year for the 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8400079/Libya-Navy-running-short-of-Tomahawk-missiles.html

Max
03-23-2011, 11:08 PM
That's the unfortunate reality of getting into these kind of conflicts. Between this operation and the navy ships involved with the Japanese disaster, the US is going to end up spending hundreds of millions of tax dollars. I'm not saying that we shouldn't, but when countries like the US and UK are desperately trying to establish economic recoveries domestically, it's often hard for the public to understand these kinds of expenditures.

Godfather
03-24-2011, 03:21 AM
Why so proud :lol:

I'm almost sure I remember hearing the US Navy had ran out of Cruise Missiles when they invaded Iraq... not really that big a deal is it

AntZ
03-24-2011, 07:54 AM
Why so proud :lol:

I'm almost sure I remember hearing the US Navy had ran out of Cruise Missiles when they invaded Iraq... not really that big a deal is it


They did? :huh:

You heard wrong! :hand:

B.T.W. Weren't you in preschool then? :nana:

Godfather
03-24-2011, 04:21 PM
:lol: Perhaps



All the same, I'm 95% sure I remember hearing it and doing a quick google search I saw a few articles/forum posts that verify it... I only remember because it surprised me at the time.

Thinking about it, with each unit costing over a million dollars and with very little chance of them returning home, it's really not that shocking any country would keep a limited supply :lol:

AntZ
03-24-2011, 04:32 PM
:lol: Perhaps



All the same, I'm 95% sure I remember hearing it and doing a quick google search I saw a few articles/forum posts that verify it... I only remember because it surprised me at the time.

Thinking about it, with each unit costing over a million dollars and with very little chance of them returning home, it's really not that shocking any country would keep a limited supply :lol:


Post the articles!

I do remember that they used many of the old ALCM's during the first gulf war, mainly because they were old and outlived their useful life. I would believe that they exhausted the stock of first and second generation Tomahawks for the same reasons, better to use them then let them die with age. The new units are very advanced now!

Godfather
03-24-2011, 04:36 PM
I'm struggling to find a post-worthy article :lol:


I've just been googling "ran out of cruise missiles" using boolean searches and it's coming up with tons of forum/blog posts about it but nothing from a credible source :P

Max
03-24-2011, 05:13 PM
Ratheon has delivered over 2,000 block IV cruise missiles to the US Navy, but I have no idea how many of the weapons have been sold to the UK. They are expensive buggers, so I suspect the Brits don't keep huge inventories of them.

Raytheon has upgraded the weapon to be used much like harpoon missiles that target surface ships. It can now identify ship signatures, and has a more powerful penetration warhead for modern armor.