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redred
03-24-2011, 11:04 AM
Children under 10 licensed to use shotguns, BBC learns


Thirteen children under the age of 10 have been issued with shotgun certificates in the UK over the past three years.
The youngest child to be granted a licence was seven years old, figures obtained by BBC News show.
Last year, the Association of Chief Police Officers suggested under-10s should be banned from using shotguns.
The British Association for Shooting and Conservation says children use shotguns for sports and on farms.
The statistics were released by 51 police forces under the Freedom of Information Act. Dorset was the only constabulary not to provide information.
Between 2008 and 2010, 7,071 licences were issued to under-18s.
Devon and Cornwall police granted the most certificates, 418, followed by West Mercia, 346, and Norfolk, 324.
No minimum age
Ten shotgun certificates were issued to nine-year-olds. Two forces - West Mercia and Cumbria - each approved a licence application for an eight-year-old.
In 2008, Gloucestershire police granted a licence to a seven-year-old child.
Under current laws, there is no minimum age for applying for a shotgun certificate in the UK. The decision to grant a licence rests with a senior police officer.
But when using a shotgun, children must be supervised by an adult until they turn 15.
The British Association for Shooting and Conservation says children use shotguns for sports such as clay pigeon shooting, and on family-run farms.
Spokesman Steve Bloomfield said age was "irrelevant" as the decision on granting a licence was made by a very experienced police officer who would visit the family involved.
He added that the certificate simply allowed a child to be trained and educated by an adult.
"It's far better to take a young person with their parents, or to a club, and allow them to use that shotgun and be trained from whatever age," he said.
"And the age is irrelevant. It's the mental aptitude, and the stability of the family, and the stature of that young person that decides it, the age doesn't decide it at all."
Last October, the Commons Home Affairs Committee reported that a "large number" of young people enjoyed shooting in a safe and responsible manner.
But the committee was told by Assistant Chief Constable Adrian Whiting, lead spokesman on firearms legislation for the Association of Chief Police Officers, that there should be an "absolute minimum age" of 10 for shooting with firearms and shotguns.
Public protection
Ten is the age of criminal responsibility in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The Home Affairs Committee concluded that the laws should be "simplified and clarified" and that there was "no good reason" to maintain the current differences in age restrictions between shotguns and firearms - where people have to be 14 before being granted a licence.
The Home Office is currently reviewing firearms laws and is expected to publish its response to the committee's report by early summer.
A spokesman said: "Public protection is the first duty of any government and our firearms laws are among the toughest in the world.
"It is right that we keep them under review and we are prepared to tighten them further if necessary. Those controls must also be proportionate and fair and all options are on the table.
"We are carefully considering the recommendations made by the Home Affairs Select Committee, the Association of Chief Police Officers and any issues raised in the parliamentary debate, before deciding what further action might be necessary."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12840557

redred
03-24-2011, 11:06 AM
my take of this is so what surly they are doing things the right way in getting the paper work to own and use a gun ,rather than some little street scum running around cities with a gun in one hand and a bag of drugs to sell in the other

FBD
03-24-2011, 08:40 PM
"It's far better to take a young person with their parents, or to a club, and allow them to use that shotgun and be trained from whatever age," he said.
"And the age is irrelevant. It's the mental aptitude, and the stability of the family, and the stature of that young person that decides it, the age doesn't decide it at all."

this. train them proper and be honest from the getgo and you get some amazing results. keeping people in the dark and telling them bad things doesnt help them.

beowulf
03-24-2011, 09:07 PM
you can guarentee tho that these kids who have a ticket have parents who are also involved in shooting sports of one sort or another............there will already be adequate security in the home......there will already be adequate supervision and training taking place.....i would also go one step further and say that they are either of the 'landed gentry' so going out to do some poncy shooting with beaters or gillies.............or are farmers kids, for who a shot gun is a tool

i think its a good thing............i was brought up with shot guns and air rifles around............think i fired my first shot gun (.410) when i was about 6 but i was handling them before that...............owned my own air guns from about 13..........got my shot gun ticket just after 17 birthday....2 days later had a baretta 301 skeet semi auto :lol:......all went down hill after that, ended up with a cupboard full of rifles and hand guns and even an explosives licence by the time i was 23 :lol:...the whole experience made me very aware of safety which continues to this day even tho i cant shoot any more

oh happy days :(

Loser
03-25-2011, 01:07 AM
Kids are being taught how to safely operate and handle shotguns and politicians are complaining about criminal liability...

So basically, they're worried about a gang of 8/9 year olds running around killing people with shotguns and getting off legally?

Cause that's about the only thing I can make out of this bullshit.

Stupid fkin' politicians...

-edit-

Lets see those assholes train olympic class skeet shooters in 2 years LOL

Hal-9000
03-25-2011, 10:30 PM
children under the age of 10 can't be trusted not to wet the bed at night....this is a HORRIBLE idea IMO.

redred
03-25-2011, 11:22 PM
hopefully the grown ups lock the guns away at night:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-25-2011, 11:25 PM
I had my first firearm when I was 8 years old, it was a single shot .22 short from Sears.

Hal-9000
03-25-2011, 11:28 PM
I believe that teaching children things at a young age is a good practice..they're not as stupid as some people think.
Where I have the problem is that they're not even close to being emotionally developed and their decision making skills as to right and wrong are way off base.


they may learn excellent gun habits...what happens when the gun is in their hands when they get angry at Jimmy for giving a wedgie...that's the point of concern

redred
03-25-2011, 11:32 PM
i just feel the goverment should spend more time getting rid of the guns that shouldn't be in the hands of adults or kids rather than going after the people that fill out a form telling them that they're keeping them in the house

DemonGeminiX
03-25-2011, 11:43 PM
We don't have to fill out a form telling people we're keeping them in the house here in GA, we just have to get a weapon's license if we want to carry out in the public.

:dance:

Loser
03-26-2011, 03:57 AM
what happens when the gun is in their hands when they get angry at Jimmy for giving a wedgie...that's the point of concern


He added that the certificate simply allowed a child to be trained and educated by an adult.

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