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Teh One Who Knocks
06-12-2012, 09:09 PM
Clara Moskowitz, LiveScience Senior Writer


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The final nail in the coffin may have been dealt to the idea that neutrino particles can travel faster than light.

The same lab that first reported the shocking results last September, which could have upended much of modern physics, has now reported that the subatomic particles called neutrinos "respect the cosmic speed limit," or the speed of light.

Physicist Sergio Bertolucci, research director at Switzerland's CERN physics lab, presented the results today (June 8) at the 25th International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics in Kyoto, Japan.

"Although this result isn't as exciting as some would have liked, it is what we all expected deep down," Bertolucci said in a statement.

The new findings come from four experiments that study streams of neutrinos sent from CERN in Geneva to the INFN Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy. All four, including the experiment behind the first faster-than-light findings, called OPERA, found that this time around, the nearly massless neutrinos traveled quickly, but not that quickly.

Last year, OPERA measured that neutrinos were making the 454-mile (730-kilometer) underground trip between the two labs more speedily than light, arriving there 60 nanoseconds earlier than a beam of light would.

At the time, the physicists were stunned because such a result seemed to break Einstein's prediction that nothing could travel faster than light. This idea is at the heart of his theory of special relativity, on which much of our modern technology and scientific understanding is based.

The OPERA researchers weren't sure what could explain their anomalous results, having checked and rechecked their work, so they released their findings to the larger community of physicists in hopes that experts around the world could help them figure it out.

"The story captured the public imagination, and has given people the opportunity to see the scientific method in action — an unexpected result was put up for scrutiny, thoroughly investigated and resolved in part thanks to collaboration between normally competing experiments," Bertolucci said. "That's how science moves forward."

Labs around the world, including the other experiments at Gran Sasso — called Borexino, ICARUS and LVD — as well as the MINOS experiment in Illinois and the T2K project in Japan, tried to recreate the OPERA findings. None were able to do so: Every time, neutrinos appeared to obey the speed limit of light.

Now, the OPERA scientists think their original measurement can be written off as owing to a faulty element of the experiment’s fiber-optic timing system.

Griffin
06-12-2012, 09:13 PM
when traveling at the speed of light, do you cast a shadow?

Hugh_Janus
06-12-2012, 09:21 PM
of course you do

Griffin
06-12-2012, 09:46 PM
which direction?

Hugh_Janus
06-12-2012, 09:57 PM
the opposite direction of the light

Griffin
06-12-2012, 09:58 PM
so darkness travels faster than light?

Hugh_Janus
06-12-2012, 10:09 PM
no, darkness was there before the light and will be there when the path of light is interrupted and will return when the light has gone.... its always there you just can't not see it because of the light.

why can't I explain things? :lol:

FBD
06-13-2012, 04:23 PM
as always, it depends on which direction the light is coming from - but in the case of c, if you "have mass" then you are not going the speed of light. therefore, this "energy stream" would still be able to affect a photon that happens to collide with you (and it will be tough since if you draw out the world lines it'd be right on the border of timelike/spacelike) so "it would cast some sort of shadow" but certainly not the same sort of shadow as we cast on the earth's surface, just because of mass alone. if we change it a bit and speak of superluminal, then shadow is still possible when the world lines are drawn out (you can be superluminal and have mass...its just crossing c that is the impossible part.)

since a shadow is absorption of photons, yes, you'd still be able to absorb incoming photons while going c.

Hal-9000
06-13-2012, 04:40 PM
when traveling at the speed of light, do you cast a shadow?

depends if a light source is present, witnessing the object that is traveling the speed of light

PorkChopSandwiches
06-13-2012, 04:53 PM
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