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Godfather
06-13-2012, 03:40 AM
The Obama administration said Tuesday that Russia is sending attack helicopters to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime and warned that the Arab country's 15-month conflict could become even deadlier.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the U.S. was "concerned about the latest information we have that there are attack helicopters on the way from Russia to Syria."

She said the shipment "will escalate the conflict quite dramatically."

Clinton's comments at a public appearance with Israeli President Shimon Peres augured poorly for a peaceful solution to Syria's conflict. Officials from around the world are warning that the violence risks becoming an all-out civil war, with Middle East power brokers from Iran to Turkey possibly being drawn into the fighting.

Diplomatic hopes have rested on Washington and Moscow agreeing on a transition plan that would end the 40-year Assad regime.

But Moscow has consistently rejected the use of outside forces to end the conflict or any international plan to force regime change in Damascus. Despite withering criticism from the West, it insists that any arms it supplies to Syria are not being used to quell anti-government dissent.

With diplomacy at a standstill, the reported shipment of helicopters suggests a dangerous new turn for Syria after more than a year of harsh government crackdowns on mainly peaceful protests and the emergence of an increasingly organized armed insurgency.

There was no immediate reaction from the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Russia and Syria have a longstanding military relationship and Syria hosts Russia's only naval base on the Mediterranean Sea. But in light of the brutal violence, the U.S. has repeatedly demanded that any further deliveries of weaponry be halted. Russian military support in the form of materiel as advanced as attack helicopters would deal a serious blow to efforts to starve the Syrian army of supplies.

Some 13,000 people have died, according to opposition groups, but the U.S. and its allies have been hoping that sanctions on Assad's government and its increased isolation would make it increasingly difficult to carry out military campaigns.

Asked why the Pentagon isn't blocking Russian weapons shipments to Syria, Defense Department officials noted that the administration hasn't declared an arms embargo. Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, accepted the argument that Moscow's resupplying of helicopters enables the regime to kill its own people, but said the key issue is how the Syrians use the materiel.

"Let's not let the Assad regime off the hook here," he told reporters. "The focus really needs to be more on what the Assad regime is doing to its own people, than the cabinets and the closets to which they turn to pull stuff out. It's really about what they're doing with what they've got in their hands."

In recent days, the State Department has decried what it calls "horrific new tactics" by Syrian forces, including helicopters attacks on civilians.

Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Clinton's comments referred specifically to new helicopters that were being sent to Syria, and not already existing Russian-made or Soviet-made supplies being used by Assad's government.

"We have been pushing the Russians for months to break their military ties with the Syrian regime and they haven't done it," she told reporters in Washington. "Instead, they keep reassuring all of us that what they are sending militarily to Syria can't be used against civilians.

"But what are we seeing?" Nuland asked. "We are seeing the Syrian government using helicopters to fire on their own people from the air. So our question remains: How can the Russians conscience their continued military sales to Syria?"

Clinton, as well, warned about a massing of Syrian forces near Aleppo over the last two days, saying such a deployment could be a "red line" for Syria's northern neighbor Turkey "in terms of their strategic and national interests."

"We are watching this very carefully," she said.

Godfather
06-13-2012, 03:42 AM
I hope the freighter 'accidentally' blows up

RBP
06-13-2012, 03:43 AM
What's a civilian in a civil war? Just sayin.

Leefro
06-13-2012, 03:45 AM
DEAD in a week

Godfather
06-13-2012, 05:02 AM
What's a civilian in a civil war? Just sayin.

The Pro-Assad forces are massacring women and children, most recently in Al-Qubeir. Russia says nobody can intervene and then goes and sends Attack Helicopters. Total bs

RBP
06-13-2012, 05:05 AM
Oh please. the women and children argument is cliche and hyperbole.

If there was a similar uprising in the US, it would be militarily squashed by whatever means necessary.

Godfather
06-13-2012, 05:12 AM
Bashar al-Assad isn't a Western leader he's a war criminal, you cannot compare your hypothetical US uprising to what has been going on in that country for two decades.

RBP
06-13-2012, 05:14 AM
Bashar al-Assad isn't a Western leader he's a war criminal, you cannot compare your hypothetical US uprising to what has been going on in that country for two decades.

I can and I did. He's been a friend to the west and a supported regime. So there as Arab spring - and?? What's the end game for these countries?

Godfather
06-13-2012, 05:24 AM
I can and I did. He's been a friend to the west and a supported regime. So there as Arab spring - and?? What's the end game for these countries?

The actions of Western countries no doubt contributed to these conditions but that's no excuse for Russia promoting civil war with one hand, while preventing Western intervention with the other. Syria, similar to Libia, deserves aid with al-Assad adopting Qudhafi's style of shelling soft targests and mass arrests. It's really more a matter of how many have to die before we help. Just like in Libia, the US now has something to gain from a regime change...

The Conservative case for intervention is strong ... they're the closest supporter of Iran and several terrorist regimes, they let troops through to destabilize Iraq and have a stash of Chemical and Bio weapons (and sought nuclear until Isreal fixed the problem)

Teh One Who Knocks
06-13-2012, 02:01 PM
Reporting by Isabel Coles; Editing by Jon Hemming


DUBAI (Reuters) - Russia's foreign minister on Wednesday defended his country's sale of arms to Syria and accused the United States of supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday Washington was worried Russia may be sending attack helicopters to Syria and described as "patently untrue" Moscow's argument that its arms transfers to Syria are unrelated to the conflict there.

"We are not violating any international law in performing these contracts," said Sergei Lavrov, in response to a question about Clinton's comments at a news conference during a visit to Iran.

"They are providing arms and weapons to the Syrian opposition that can be used in fighting against the Damascus government," he said on Iranian state television, speaking through an interpreter.

Russia is one of Syria's principal defenders on the diplomatic front and, as a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with the power to veto resolutions, has stymied efforts by Western powers to pressure President Bashar al-Assad into stepping down.

Lavrov said Russia's position was based on concern for the Syrian people and the country's integrity, rather than personal preference for Assad.

"I have announced time and again that our stance is not based on support for Bashar al-Assad or anyone else ... We don't want to see Syria disintegrate."

Russia is resisting Western and Gulf Arab pressure to take a harder line against Assad, rejecting calls for sanctions and proposing a conference bringing together global and regional powers including Iran.

Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said the Syrian crisis could not be resolved by external powers.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran has announced many times: the issue of Syria needs to be dealt with in Syria by Syrians, not through the interference of others"

The United States says it does not believe Iran, Assad's closest regional ally, is ready to play a constructive role in Syria, where the United Nations says government forces have killed more than 10,000 people since March 2011.

Muddy
06-13-2012, 02:16 PM
USA and Russia.. Butt out!

perrhaps
06-13-2012, 02:40 PM
USA and Russia.. Butt out!


Give that crab a Kewpie Doll!



As I used to say over on AS, people who hate America killing other people who hate America is just peachy-keen with me.