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Teh One Who Knocks
07-05-2012, 12:21 PM
By Tim Mullaney, USA TODAY


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Tighter defense budgets are starting to pinch the nation's economy, slowing a sluggish recovery even before sharper spending cuts could kick in next year.

Military defense spending fell by about $12 billion, or 3%, from October through May compared with the same period in the previous federal budget year, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis, which measures defense-related spending more broadly, said last week that weaker defense spending shaved half a percentage point off first-quarter growth. Instead of growing 2.4%, the economy grew 1.9%.

Already, defense contractors are feeling the effects. Lockheed Martin CEO Robert Stevens said recently that his company's workforce is 18% smaller than three years ago, and "the pace of our hiring has slowed considerably."

Much more cutting is in the pipeline.

Congress is reviewing President Obama's 2013 budget, which will begin a 10-year process of cutting $487 billion from the military, required by last summer's congressional deal to cut spending in exchange for increasing the federal debt ceiling. Defense contractors face another half-trillion dollars of automatic cuts mandated by the same law, triggered by lawmakers' failure last fall to agree on a long-term deficit-reduction plan.

The National Association of Manufacturers says all of those defense cuts could slash 1 million jobs, including 134,000 in manufacturing.

The government spent $163 billion on the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts in 2011. The cost fell to $115 billion this year, and $88.5 billion is being sought for the 2013 fiscal year starting Oct. 1, according to the Pentagon.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has criticized the automatic cuts and urged legislators to make a budget deal to prevent them.

The cuts are expected to be hardest on industries and regions of the nation that rely on the Army and the Marines, said Chris Lafakis, an economist at Moody's Analytics. That's because the military is also working on a strategic repositioning that will reallocate resources to the Navy and Air Force and shift some emphasis from Europe and the Middle East to forging closer military ties with Asia.

Areas such as Tucson, St. Louis and Fort Worth that are heavily reliant on defense spending are most at risk, Lafakis said.

Richard Kogan, senior fellow at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says defense cutbacks hurt the economy. "When the economy is operating below capacity, more spending is good and less spending slows it down," he says.

But the cuts "aren't huge compared to what states (and local governments) have done," Kogan says.

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 04:20 PM
We should've cut all of our elected politicians' pay and benefits instead.

FBD
07-05-2012, 04:55 PM
still amazed that the Rs got swindled into agreeing to automatic cuts "if there was no agreement" - that was basically incentive for Ds and the admin to not suggest anything rational upon which to be agreed.

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 05:38 PM
Nobody got swindled, chief. They're all in the same boat.

FBD
07-05-2012, 08:13 PM
sorry brotha, I totally disagree. Rs went into those debt ceiling negotiations in good faith, assuming there was going to be some sort of agreement (because of the insanity of there not being one) and in doing so (with this "if we dont reach an agreement" "agreement") they got played like a 2 peso whore.

I mean, that's completely aside from the fact that our government is so wildly larger than we can afford as it is, and all of this bullshitting around the edges worrying about this or that, which we will simply not have the money for. We borrow 40% of every dollar the gov spends, because basically we refuse to pay for as much gov as we have, and they have been doing funny number games so we ostensibly "have our cake and eat it too"...but the piper's marchin' and practicing, for sure.

O'screweveryonecare isnt going to be implemented anywhere near like it was intended (like most garbage collectivist programs,) because our finances will go down the tubes first, and it'll be rationing and medical experiments for the lot of you, sorry.

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:45 PM
A bit off topic but I heard this zany suggestion...how many people are in the States? About 250 million?


Give every person one million dollars....age, race, creed all unimportant. That's only 250 million dollars and I agree that it would turn your economy around in a lot of ways :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-05-2012, 10:47 PM
A bit off topic but I heard this zany suggestion...how many people are in the States? About 250 million?


Give every person one million dollars....age, race, creed all unimportant. That's only 250 million dollars and I agree that it would turn your economy around in a lot of ways :lol:

There's about 310 million now....

And if you gave every person one dollar that would add up to $250 million, give them each $1 million and it adds up to quite a bit more :lol:

minz
07-05-2012, 10:48 PM
There's about 310 million now....

And if you gave every person one dollar that would add up to $250 million, give them each $1 million and it adds up to quite a bit more :lol:

Plus the country would grind to a halt as they all quit their jobs. :lol:

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:48 PM
There's about 310 million now....

And if you gave every person one dollar that would add up to $250 million, give them each $1 million and it adds up to quite a bit more :lol:


math is my bread and butter at work :doh:


and




fuck off you bastard :lol:

minz
07-05-2012, 10:49 PM
:lol:

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:50 PM
Plus the country would grind to a halt as they all quit their jobs. :lol:

that's what I'm talking about....change the whole economic infrastructure from the inside out. Job hunting and wage problems would change dramatically :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
07-05-2012, 10:50 PM
:dance:

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 10:50 PM
A bit off topic but I heard this zany suggestion...how many people are in the States? About 250 million?


Give every person one million dollars....age, race, creed all unimportant. That's only 250 million dollars and I agree that it would turn your economy around in a lot of ways :lol:

:huh:

I disagree with your mathematics. If there's 250 million people and you give them each one dollar, then that's $250 million. If you give 250 people $1,000,000, then that's $250 million.

But if you give 250 million people each a million dollars, that's 250,000,000 x $1,000,000 = a really fucking big number = $250,000,000,000,000 = $250 trillion dollars.

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:51 PM
yeah....heard that somewhere before :sad2:

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:52 PM
:huh:

I disagree with your mathematics. If there's 250 million people and you give them each one dollar, then that's $250 million. If you give 250 people $1,000,000, then that's $250 million.

But if you give 250 million people each a million dollars, that's 250,000,000 x $1,000,000 = a really fucking big number = $250,000,000,000,000 = $250 trillion dollars.




stop with the advanced calculus terms would you :lol:

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 10:54 PM
yeah....heard that somewhere before :sad2:

[-(

It's not my fault you bastards are all inhumanely fast typers.

minz
07-05-2012, 10:55 PM
:lol:

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:56 PM
[-(

It's not my fault you bastards are all inhumanely fast typers.

little spooky...yours and Lance's posts were almost a mirror image, illustrating my stupidity :lol:

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 10:57 PM
little spooky...yours and Lance's posts were almost a mirror image, illustrating my stupidity :lol:

Double the pleasure, double the fun... Want some Double Mint gum?

:d

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 10:58 PM
Double the pleasure, double the fun... Want some Double Mint gum?

:d


:confused:



4?

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 11:01 PM
:confused:



4?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7hwvWIK1eM

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 11:10 PM
:confused:


16?





Oh hell I'm no good at this





:coat:

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 11:18 PM
little spooky...yours and Lance's posts were almost a mirror image, illustrating my stupidity :lol:

Two people doing the exact same thing simultaneously... the hallmark of the doublemint commercials was always the twins doing the same thing at the same time throughout the tv ad.

Pardon the old outdated reference. It just popped into my head.



And you tease Minz about dying her hair.

[-(

Hal-9000
07-05-2012, 11:27 PM
Two people doing the exact same thing simultaneously... the hallmark of the doublemint commercials was always the twins doing the same thing at the same time throughout the tv ad.

Pardon the old outdated reference. It just popped into my head.



And you tease Minz about dying her hair.

[-(


I got it :doh:


was just trying to figure the math on the doublemint commercial...and the joke fell a little flat







:coat:

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 11:31 PM
Nah, it was a bad joke. No worries.

FBD
07-05-2012, 11:47 PM
Give every person in the USA one meeeleeeon dollars, and you'd find out right quick the difference between money and wealth. :D

DemonGeminiX
07-05-2012, 11:58 PM
Nevermind. Nothing to see here.